why aren't my orals working like there supposed too
Lately on some forums I see guys asking why there orals don't seem to be working. Let's just say certain compounds work for some and not others this is true but there are other factors also that may contribute to that also it's common knowledge that you should take with peanut butter or grapefruit juice to slow the process break it down better. And everyone knows that they should take liver support while on orals liv52 tudca milk thistle but those supplements taken at the wrong time can cause undesirable results I've experimented myself I found a study but can't find the link anymore it stated that if you take those supplements too close together that it actually causes the compound to broken Down and less effective I've noticed a difference myself I did my own study I used to wake up take all my supps eat then take my compounds and found I didn't get the pump or the feeling of the compound like it's supposed or I thought it was under dosed to then I tried what study did I took compound waited 5 hrs then took liv supps and repeated in evening so my schedule would be 8oclock compound 1 liv supps 6compound 11 liv supps and the compounds I thought that were underdosed weren't it was the liv supps breaking down compound and passing threw system too fast so before you say your orals are underdosed or your body doesn't respond to compound try doing it this way of course certain compounds have different half life so you would have to account for that
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Hmm I told my wife that orals don't work no more but I've got to admit she tried oral and it worked for me very good as i wanted to do my own study(unfortunately she said I can't go out and try more orals as I wanted a larger sample size to report back with). I would even go so far as to say the results was amazing but u have a point here bc I always here the vets on here saying orals was so much better in the old days and all u get is bunk now but who knows. Maybe some of the pros on here can chime in
Compounds need food. What's your intake like?
more than likely food or lack of, anadrol for example, eat big, gain bigger, dont eat enough, you get fuck all, ive seen it so many times, kids in the gym walking around puffy thinking their kings, eating fuck all the little twigs, i suspect a heap of people talk the talk but dont walk the walk when it comes to food/ eating, i believe the drug protocols for sure, but thats why they scream bubk/ under dosed, its not under dosed, their under eating.
Bro there are some many factors involved your best bet is to use some of those good links the guys posted below and read them. Hope all gets figured out.
http://nutrientjournal.com/increased-steroid-absorption-67-dihydroxyberg...
Interesting write up
Got ya. You said "take all my supps eat, then compounds" and that you weren't noticing a pump. You did state you space the liver support apart from compounds but didn't specify if you still take them after eating before etc. I was hitting it from the taking with food angle. Dosing protocols are different with the next person and so on. You notice a positive difference in the way you now dose, I cant argue with that brother. What works works.
When I take cb's on an empty stomach, my eyes get bloodshot, I see trails, hard as a rock within a half hour. When I take them with food, no bloodshot eyes, no trails, hard as a rock within an hour and a half. My point being you take something, its getting into your system period. Things you take with it might construe the side effects a bit, but the drug will ultimately act in accordance with the compound it is and what it is meant to do. I'm not saying everyone will respond in the same way or with the same results good or bad. But the drug is and will be doing its job.
MightyMatt812My point was more the liv supps space I've noticed stronger effect when spacing out
Well I fkd that reply up, its at the top haha. Knuckles bro!
RustyhookerNot true. You want fast absorption. Crush those tabs or open those capsules. Peanutbutter fights off stomach acids FROM breaking it down. Grapefruit juice and crushed tabs is fast enough on absorption, that pharmacy will warn AGAINST it on time released medications that are absorbed in your intestines versus the stomack.
Chemistry. Oils are bases. Stomach acid...is acid. ;)
MightyMatt812Then it was broscience but I've noticed a more of a effect with spacing my liv supps away from the compound don't know if it's in my head but just seems to effect me better and you are correct I meant to say speed absorption with grapefruit juice
RustyhookerI would space them as well. Agree there!
I dont rely on wiki but am driving so heres a cool read. Check aromasin out on list
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https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grapefruit%E2%80%93drug_interactions
Hi rusty,
Do you think it would make a difference wich way round you take your supplements /orals?
RustyhookerI take a dose of oral hour preworkout. Other half etc by half life. So if its 30 mg dbol....hour pwo....5 hours later 10 mg more....5 hours 10 mg final
How do you run your supplements with this schedule? Am or pm
RustyhookerDoesnt matter really. Whats your chem? Whats the halflife?
If its var and you workout 8 am. Half your daily hour before. Then 9 hours later. Go by halflife and split. I do try to have a small dense meal with it though.
I am currently running......
Test prop
Masteron prop
Eq
Anavar
I train roughly 6.30pm so would it make sense to take my liver sups ect... on the morning then take my Anavar preworkout ?
Thanks for your time really appreciate it mate
RustyhookerNot sure why you'd run props with eq when eq is 18 weeks typically. Ive pinned ed for 14 but im loopy. Are you too far in to put the enanthates into place?
Id take half the var with big morning bfast, liver supps with lunch and second half about 530. The half life is about 9 hours so you're not fully counting minutes. Dbol is 4 hour half life so I watch the clock closer.
Morning bfast is needed to pick up the body. Figure if last meal is 830 post workout, your body is food less 9 hours. Sleep is when your body goes into repair modd.
Hi rusty,
I'm nearly 3 weeks into cycle now mate the original plan was to use test cyp but I just prefer the test prop I don't mind the eod pins but do you think I would benefit more frome using the cyp??
20 week cycle.
RustyhookerIf youre cool on the shorts then cool. Have extra pin spots for later in cycle.
. Ive gone 14 on ed pins and was very glad to be done.
Jesus!!!!!!!! That's a lot of pinning mate. Thanks so much for your advice really appreciate it mate
Good find Rusty!! I learned a lot reading that.
RustyhookerOne of the members started a forum on contraindications. He noticed some things we take f for cycle went against other meds. Which can impair the wanted effects.
Take a few hours some day and Google your ai etc and contraindications, sides etc. Just like as example, antibiotics will halt the use of female contraceptives.
That's pretty interesting. I knew about a lot of those srugs but didn't realize it prolonged the effect of aromasin. The CYP3A4 and CYP3A5 enzymes are responsible for metabolism of like 50% of all drugs.
MightyMatt812Real foods fruits and vegetables have amazing qualities more than what a lot of people think or know
RustyhookerMuch of the whoodoo about food cures are or xan be beneficial. Papain and bromelain aid digestion. So folks eat pills. Try pineapple or papaya.