posted Sat, 04/20/2019 - 19:50
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Eroids Nation,
We all have one thing in common! Goals! Goals that we dream to achieve! Whether pushing hard day in and day out to achieve your dream body or training to being able to compete in a triathlon, we all have goals! If we have come this far to be apart of this community chances are we all have chosen to take the next step in performance enhancing drugs.
But we all still take our staple supplements and this is where I would like to know what is in your arsenal? What are the supplements you can not live without?
I choose the following:
- Whey Protein
- Cassien Protein
- Glutamine
- Multi vitamins
- Bcaas
- Various pre-workouts
- Nitric oxide booster
- Fish Oil
- L-Glutamine
If you have any recommendations for certain brands Please feel free to comment!!
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r4zor_reloadedWhey Protein Isolate Unflavored, Creatine Monohydrate, Fish Oil, B Complex, Multi Vitamin, ZMA for recovery, L Arginine AAKG / L-Citrulline DL MAlate 2:1 pre workout for insane pumps, Vitamin C, Vitamin A, Niacin for cholesterol and triglyceride levels, TUDCA to keep the liver good, Shark Cartilage
I don't believe in BCAA's.. theres more than enough BCAA's in any protein you're consuming.. or even a glass of milk.
StevebDrink some raw eggs for aminos
r4zor_reloadedLet me clarify. I don't see the need to take a BCAA supplement especially because I don't like the acidity, bloat that comes with taking them. I have used them in the past.. I do know that they help in recovery inside and outside of the gym.. But it's just not something I spend money on because I prefer to get it from real food sources. Why spend 20-30$ on a BCAA products which don't even include all 20 amino acids necessary to build muscle?
Here's an example of how much BCAAs you can get WITHOUT buying a BCAA supplement product:
There's 6 grams of BCAA's in a 3.5 oz piece of chicken breastm There's 2 grams of BCAA's in 1 cup of 1% milk. There's 3.5 grams of BCAA's in 2 eggs. 6 grams of BCAA's in a scoop of whey protein.
It's actually hilarious to me that people who are doing AAS are even worried about taking a BCAA supplement for muscle protein synthesis.. while hopefully* knowing that they're getting tons of BCAA's from food sources.
But, To each their own.
StevebI think only eggs and milk have all 20
You really need to research more, but then, I don't care. For some, such as yourself, ignorance can be bliss.
r4zor_reloadedI have. I just don't care to spend 30$ on a BCAA supplement when I can get all 20 amino acids through real food sources. Plus, they give me bloat and acidity/acid reflux. No thanks for me champ. To each their own.
Fair enough. I have read about acid reflux before, but didn't personally notice a problem. But you are correct - to each his own. Have a good one..
Why buy Whey protein then if you can get all the amino's from 'real food'. Looks like you are one of these guys that just copies and repeats what others say judging by your profile page...
r4zor_reloadedWhy does anyone buy whey protein? Because within a few seconds I can toss a quick 25 grams of protein in my system between meals, after a workout, on the go etc without having to sit down and eat for 15 minutes.. That's called supplementation FYI.
You really dont know for sure your getting 25 grams.
The protein powders are also much harder on your kidneys.
I can guarentee you that you'll grow better with whole foods. I do agree though they are convenient but on the other end they can also cause bloat and gas just like amino acids.
Protein may make your kidneys work harder, but there isn't any evidence that it does any damage. Of course whole foods are a good source of protein because they offer other essential nutrients as well as protein.
https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/whey-protein-side-effects#section5
Coming from a guy standing 5'10 @ 186 who trains as a bodybuilder what have you been doing wrong then?..
r4zor_reloadedAre you stupid? Clearly you never heard of Frank Zane who won the Mr Olympia at 5'9, 185 lbs. So anyone who enjoys training must automatically be 250+ lbs? I don't need your stupidity right now. Go run into a wall or something.. You questioned the use of whey protein (the most popular supplement arguably besides creatine) and now you're questioning someones height weight stats?
How old are you anyways trying to insult people over a comment about BCAA's? Grow the fuck up you chump.
The irony of your profile quote 'He who is humble is confident and wise .." Ass backwards.
Frank Zane Lol - Is that supposed to impress me? The guy is a little Runt
I think running into a wall counts as stupidity chump...
'Eat clen, tren hard, anaver give up' - What an Original statement, never heard that one before.
Buy some BCAA's and do a strength log for 2 months. I've never met anyone who is very strong who says that BCAA's don't work.
jayisk"I don't believe in BCAA's.."
the person that wrote that has no clue about strength or cares about it. that would interfere with him doing 32 sets for bi's.
Notice how he takes all the supps for 'Insane pumps' though....
That's much more important than muscle recovery Jay....
Careful mate - there's an anti-BCAA movement afoot here, It's just as enlightened as the anti-vax movement.
jayiskNot to worry after the ebc and summer is over the anti-tren movement will return.., and no one will mention BCAA's.
Yes...so true.
Hahahaha You just made me LMFAO, & half the people currently running it will go back to slagging it off again.
jayiskFunny as all winter long tren was the anti-christ. it would make you go crazy, cause dementia, and was worse then smoking meth...,no one should take it.
Now when its time for people to walk around with their shirt off or do BB comps. its back to tren is the greatest to get ripped and maintain muscle. And people are back to arguing over which color tren is the best.
In PL it is one of the best for strength so no one argues over it. And i've wrote this a ton of times..,tren does not cause roid rage.., it is the sides such as insomnia, sweating, hunger.
if i am hungry, have not slept, and i am sweating without taking tren i go into a rage.
Whey protein
Creatine
Fish oil
Multi vitamin
Glucosamine chondroitin
i make a blend 1 scoop of each, preworkout + creatine 5g + beta alanine 5g
IanMcqueenI want to thank everyone for their input! This is what this community is about! To listen and to learn!!
Let’s get Big Eroid Nation!
5- Probiotics
I also take fishoil , but only with the probiotics it helps with absorption. Instead of bcaa's I take just leucine , its the most effective amino for preserving muscle, and the most valuable amino your body draws from meats. Glutamine helps with recovery and soreness with out a doubt. Iso-whey I take post workout with warm water or milk depending on my goal. Multi vitamins I take just in case my body is lacking something essential, also aas do have a tendency to strip your body of nutrients well that is if your diet is shit. And the Probiotics assist in the breakdown and absorption of everything I put in my body through out the day. Also liver supps if I'm on or about to be on.
Oh yea and my recipe for a good gainer shake
1.5 cup milk whole
2 scoops of a mix 6 protein powder
2 tbl spoons of coconut oil
1 cup instant oatmeal soaked in hot water
Have you ever tried HMB man? I've recently started taking it again, Dorian Yates was a big fan of it back then. I'm never really that sure on the Glutamine front whether its massively overhyped or not - I always put it in my shakes etc but can't say I really notice any difference when I don't take for a few months as opposed to good protein shakes and BCAA's which I really do feel in terms of recovery times and results. I add extra Leucine to the BCAA's also which works well.
Alphamale500I'm also a big fan of HMB and it's a staple in my daily supps. I've seen you write similar things about Dorian Yates using or liking particular supps in your comments before. And I'm not trying to be a dick here, but I'm sure you realize that these guys get paid lots of money to say they like this or that, or be seen taking/drinking this or that, right? That's basically part of their career. You know that!
Imo, I think it's pretty obvious and well known that "the big secret" to their success as bodybuilders, and the reason they have so much muscle and such awesome physiques is because of all the gear they use while training. We all know it's not from the various supps that they smile for while holding or using them. Lol!
I only brought that up because I've seen you make a couple of similar comments now about you seeing Dorian Yates using the products. No ill intentions meant.
You are actually a real wind up merchant aren't you, I've noticed you preaching a lecturing to a lot of other more experienced members too lately. Just can't help but open your mouth can you.
Alphamale500Really? Alright, whatever. Didn't mean any offense bro.
Years ago I did but not for any real length of time, but now that you mention it I remember that it is a metabolite of Leucine. And I'm thinking it would be a damn good addition to my stack considering how much leucine I work into my stack.
though it is a bit expensive if I remember correctly.
Alphamale500Hey what's up bro. I take the same supps you take plus many more including HMB. HMB is a metabolite of leucine like you said, and HMB is really an awesome, very effective muscle building supplement. It's so effective that it's actually used in hospitals and such for peolple with any kind of muscle wasting disease. Also, it's used just as a way to help build and maintain muscle in older/sick people, and for people that are bedridden.
And yeah, it would really be a damn good addition to your stack! And if you like leucine as I can see you do, you'll love HMB. An average dose would be 3g per day, split into 2 or 3 doses. Good luck with it bro!
I take a good clip of vitamins for overall health/longevity reasons, but the only “lifting/fitness” supplements I take are
Whey isolate and/or Casien if I’m being lazy, but I get most of my protein from real food
Creatine sometimes off cycle
Taurine for pumps when I’m on an oral
Tudca at various doses throughout the year for liver health
Mostly it’s various vitamins and minerals though that I’d take anyway
Berberine
Multi
Fish oil
Glucosomine/chondroitin/msm
D3/K2
ZMA
Hawthorne berry
Xyzol for spring allergies lol
Vitamin C in the winter or if someone close to me is sick
The closest thing I take to a pre workout or anything like that is deathwish coffee, if I’m really dragging that day.
I like myprotein for protien, and I get every other vitamin I can from puritans pride. If they don’t have it I’ll go with nutricost
StevebD3 if I haven't gotten any sun
Fermented Skate fish oil
Various preworkout drinks like Bing not that garbage Bang
I keep reading articles about BCAAs doing nothing and being a waste of money but people keep buying them.
I garauntee you steve that BCAA's do work and are extremely effective for speeding up recovery. If you take them on top of food and shakes the time taken to get rid of soreness is almost halved so you can keep your training frequency high and hit the same groups twice a week hard etc. Whenever I take them my numbers quickly jump up virtually overnight - the only downside is they are a nightmare if you suffer from heartburn or acid reflux as you are basically drinking acid which unsettles the stomach a lot I find. If you watch any of the Jay Cutler vids he spends half his time drinking amino's when he's talking to the camera - someone who's won the Olympia countless times wouldn't waste a second drinking them if they weren't effective. Try them for yourself is always the best thing to do.
StevebI guarantee you they don't work and a lot of studies show they actually hinder your muscle growth. There's no credible study saying anything positive about them helping you grow muscle.
If you want to get rid of soreness try L Glutamine and Jay Cutler gets paid to say he takes BCAAs and pretty much all his supplements.
https://medium.com/gethealthy/bcaas-muscle-building-miracle-or-myth-dac4...
You really should read the articles that you post 'supporting' your assertions.
From the link you provided: "BCAAs may enhance the anabolic effect of a protein meal. For example, the addition of 5 g of BCAAs to a beverage containing 6.25 g whey protein increased muscle protein synthesis to a level comparable to that induced by 25 g of whey protein [23]." Muscle protein synthesis is the process of building muscle mass, ergo: BCAAs can assist in that process. So, the study you posted in support of your assertions is now not credible?
Also, you make a blanket statement about 'lots of studies' however the only study you quote (which is actually quoted by the article your linked to), does not support the claim that BCAAs hinder muscle growth, but claims that they can contribute to it through being combined with Whey protein.
Post up the links to the 'lots of studies' - I'm interested to read them. While you are searching for those links here's something to read: https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/324605.php
Stevebhttps://builtwithscience.com/bcaas-benefits/
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20528801?dopt=Abstract
Several studies have shown that in order to achieve muscle protein synthesis, you need all 9 of the essential amino acids present. NOT just the 3 that make up BCAA’s.
And if only 3 essential amino acids are consumed, as in the case with the consumption of BCAA’s, then the availability of the other 6 essential amino acids in the body becomes the rate limiting factor for protein synthesis. Simply put – this makes the BCAA’s you consumed pretty much useless if taken alone, since you also need adequate amounts of the other 6 amino acids.
BCAA's are good if you want to waste your money.
Once again, you fail to actually read what you are posting.
In the link you gave: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20528801?dopt=Abstract
Their conclusions were: "CONCLUSION:The present findings indicate that resistance exercise and BCAA exert both separate and combined effects on the p70(S6k) phosphorylation in an Akt-independent manner."
This conclusion (if you had bothered to read it) established that BCAAs DO ASSIST in muscle synthesis. You are scrambling to find 'evidence' to back up your unsupported claims, and in that scramble you are not even reading your links.
It's obvious that you made uninformed blanket statements expecting them to be taken at face value. Now, in the face of evidence rebutting your unsupported assertions (some even provided by yourself) you are just being recalcitrant by attempting to change the import of your original statements with your subsequent posts.
An opinion is a personal thing and you are entitled to your opinion of BCAAs, but where you erred was by claiming that 'lots of st\udies' have proven that they are of no value whatsoever. The thing is, an opinion only becomes fact when supported by science, and your opinion has not been supported. In fact it has been disproved, ironically by some of your own posts. So, in the final analysis, we are left with your uninformed, ill-considered, and unsupported opinion being proven to be just that. I have nothing more to add to our discussion.
Have a great weekend..
When you buy them as an additional supplement all 9 are present though in the correct amounts to make them effective.
StevebWhat brand? All the ones I see look like this with just 3.
https://www.amazon.com/NUTRITION-Instantized-Branched-Essential-Capsules...
https://www.amazon.com/MuscleTech-Myobuild-Supplement-Building-Electroly...
Leave it to Steve to pick an infomercial (again) to support an argument.
You are also conflating your original post and linked study and Oz's remarks, with a study that does not include protein.
In your original post you state:
And yet you posted this blog as a supporting link:
https://medium.com/gethealthy/bcaas-muscle-building-miracle-or-myth-dac4...
Which leads you to this study:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5568273/
Both state a positive relationship with protein. An exact opposite to your original statement.
of course you'll go down this rabbit hole again refusing to admit you were wrong, or to clarify that you meant BCAA's alone don't help.
I guarantee you taking leucine in sufficient doses helps preserve and build muscle, now as for BCAA's the common combo three amino acid is really to low of a dose to notice. If your diet is lacking for what ever reason BCAA's supplementation will do the job up to a point replacing that which you are lacking from your diet. Of course nothing is a proper replacement for the BCAA's your body gets from meats.
I do what you might call mega dosing of leucine especially when I'm off cycle, and I stand behind the results it produces .
Alphamale500Yeah, I agree that Leucine is a very effective BCAA. In my daily workout supps, I like to use Inner Armour's PEAK BCAA. It's got a 12:1:1 ratio, with each two scoops containing 12,400mg of Leucine, 1,000mg of Isoleucine, 1,000mg of Valine, and 5,000mg of Glutamine. I think it's definitely one of the best BCAA blends out there. The taste could be better, but who really cares about that. I like to drink it before and after training with my whey protein shake.
Have you tried this brand of BCAA's?
IanMcqueenHey I appreciate your feedback and am going to definitely look into that. Thanks
Wow I was just trying to help you there!
Steveb?
I tried BCAAs once. Got absolutely nothing from them. Even if they did work I don’t think they’d make a lick of difference in people with a high protein diet already.
I'm confused D, you mean you tried BCAA's once as in you ingested them one time it did nothing so you surmised from this one off there worthless. Or you ran BCAA's for sometime on cycle or w/e and noticed no change and in that you surmised there worthless.
just looking for clarification .
I tried them before I started using gear for like 2 months. Sorry for the confusion/lack of detail.
I have 3 natty buddies in work that all tried them for a month or two at a time and found them worthless as well.
That said, we’re all different. Berberine is very effective for me and a few others I know, even effective for some diabetics to the point that they replace metformin with it. Yet some notice nothing at all and get no effect but heartburn lol