Well, F*ck me! lol
Testosterone Serum 125 LOW ng/dl 348-1197
TSH 2.850 uIU/mL 0.450-4.500
LH 0.1 LOW mIU/ML 1.7-8.6
FSH <0.2 LOW mIU/ML 1.5-12.4
Prolactin 11.2 ng/ml 4.0-15.2
Above are results from my 7 pages of bloodwork I got back, im a bit extensive when it comes to having it done - all is well, except probably the most important section!
As you can see, the hormone panel above is a mess, daaaa duh duh DECA!!
My cycle consisted of Deca run at 350mg/week and 600mg of Watson Test-C/Week (as well as Anavar although thats sorta irrelevant)
Deca 1-13
Test C - 1-16
HCG 2x a week at 500 IU/shot for the last 6 weeks
PCT: Clomid: 100/100/50/50/50 < yes, 5 weeks.
Nolva: 40/40/20/20
TRT is not any opinion unless I want to be castrated in my sleep. And if in any situation my dick and or balls get cut off, ill be much meaner on here lol!
Prolactin is a bit high, but still nothing crazy. But damn, those hormones are rock bottom!
I have full sex drive, no issues getting a hard on, gym gains feel good... but those numbers shall haunt me.
Interested in getting some feedback from you all on this matter. Tinkering around with valid possibilities of how to overcome this in a faster manner, or ill just have to wait and pay my dues.
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I read a pct protocol by a physician, cant recall the web address but he factored in the half lifes of each compound... So lets take Deca for example of a half life of 15 days he recommended waiting 45 days after the last shot because deca is highly suppressive on your htpa, you will want most all the compound out of your system before trying to restart your natural test, by waiting three half lifes that 350mgs of deca is down to 43.75mgs. but since i see you ran your test c three weeks longer, the test c half life is 12 days so than wait 36 days after last shot. i have not tried this protocol yet for i am still on cycle but it makes sense in that your body wont start to reboot till the endogenous hormones are out or really low in this case. you can also look into Ovidrel 250 its like hcg on steroids haha but it raises tsh, fsh, lh all at once but its pricy.
how long after PCT is this? I cant seem to find that info
Muta hows olds is you? I have course have read ALOT about triptorelin and its functions. You have to be carefull with it of course.
I'm afraid I will be in the same boat once I cycle off. But then I can take my results to the VA and try to get prescribed some gel to rub on my nuts. Honestly Id rather pin ed the rest of my life lol
AnonA lot of people think this was a shout for help, I got it under control.. just like hearing feedback
and as far as triptorelin goes, its expensive, but I just bought 100 vials of it.. havent seen any supplier that sells it and I thing thats the future of AAS PCT/recovery.
cdaddy7Def caber to be incorporated this PCT round bc prolactin too high still IMHO...triptorelin may b required if legit can be acquired to reset that hpta axis....
AnonWith no noticeable sides do you think another test would be worth it to verify ?
Ahhhh! I feel like every time I run into a story like this deca is involved.. Same thing happened to me from a deca cycle.. Npp not so much tho =X.. I've never heard of bad sides from low low prolactin so I would kick the sh#$ out of your prolactin levels to see if that helps any - up that caber, prolactin def makes recover a pain.. How long ago was your pct?.. Bacne or anything too?
W1NG3DTriptorelin has been very succesful in getting your natural test levels back into normality! Altho from what ive read there hasnt been much research on adverse side effects! It might be one to leave as a last resort ;) better to be low on test for a few weeks and sort it the old fashioned way..
sorry to hear that bro, i had a bad run with deca last april , still recovering, im about to run zewi's pct which is
start aromasin for 3 days before you start the HCG(HCG converts to estro)
Day 1 aromasin 12.5mg
Day 2 aromasin 12.5mg
Day 3 aromasin 12.5mg
Week 1-3
aromasin 6.25mg ED
HCG 1000iu a week for 3 weeks
wait 2 days after last HCG shot and start PCT again
Nova 20/20/20/20
Clomid 100/100/50/50
aromasin 6.25mg ED
all credit goes to zewi
.Convincing Zewi that the benefits to using Aro during PCT had merit wasn't easy. It took me and Cdaddy to do it. Once he got it he used it for his PCT and did really well with it.
Damn bro this is no good. I think it's calling for another round of PCT. Go big and perhaps extended.
Clomid 200 for first 3days 100 last 4/100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20
Aromasin will help free up some test and allow the clomid to do its job even better 12.5/12.5/6.25/6.25
Ast this point I'd also be open to Triptorelin use. Dosages are still debatable but 100mcg is a dose I keep hearing about.
Every 2 weeks of this pct I'd run labs. Gauge any improvement and determine if u need to extend the protocol past 4weeks.
It's also time to run a small dose of caber to bring the prolactin down a bit. .25mg e3d for a couple weeks before u get labs redone.
Can he run HCG with this plan?
Gs has a pretty good jumpstart program. Might chat with him.
What week did you start PCT? I'm sure you waited til two weeks after you stopped Test C, right?
AnonRead above bud.
Unless I've read over something 5 times, I don't see where it says when you started PCT. I see where it says how long you did PCT.
Check this out bro - http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/the-pct-of-my...
He knows cycles ;)
Hormone Doc. once told me that the negative side effects of Deca were far greater than the beneifits. He recommend only one cycle a year if I felt I wanted to run it but encouraged not to run it at all. Prolonged low T and even permanent low T along with sterililty. You might look into taking HCG ED or EOD at 200-400 units maybe. That's normally what the Doc prescribes for me.
progesterone buildup? i know it causes negative feedback on lh and fsh. tho your prolactin isnt outside of the range of normal it is a bit high...it could be that you have a progesterone buildup but due to keeping your e2 in check during pct it hasnt caused too much prolactin production. you could try another pct...hcg 250iu eod for 2 weeks/caber/clomid/nolva...just a suggestion...im sure tread will set you up right
1jakd_hipyNo caber?
AnonI have and used Caber, took 1mg total (split) last week as well.
Look into toremifen. I posted about my recovery experience about it yesterday. I've never recovered as quick as I did this time around using it. I used to use nolvadex but not anymore.
I'm using torem for this pct run and my nuts came back faster than ever before . Used 60mg torem/20mg nolva ED (along w clomid of course) instead of completely dropping the nolva bc i wasnt sure about torem. moving forward, i will run torem/clomid pct's
I keep hearing really good things about torem. Wish we had some labs done to prove the buzz is true. U know if anyone has done any labs on it around here? Anyone we know n trust?
AnonShame I didn't hear of this two weeks ago. I'm halfway into pct now. I've read good things as well. I would've ran that shit and did bloods.
Are you talking about labs on the torem itself? or during pct? But no I havent heard any reviews of it, but the torem I just used seemed legit based on my results.
Labs for a PCT that included Torem.
GS - I'll be getting bloods done in a month and will post results that included a torem/clomid protocol. ill send you a pm
I would get them done but at the moment I'm in a pinch for money
AnonDecember had a funny way of doing that to ppl.
Looks pretty classic post deca bloods Muta. Never a quick recovery as we all know, but you'll bounce back.
Definitely worth getting another set of bloods IMO
1jakd_hipyTread is the man to talk to
Anonyou must be bored.. first time i've seen you post a thread since i've been here. lol
AnonI normally poke around. Already sent Tread an email about it.. but never a bad idea to get more feedback and thoughts
edited above btw
Anonyeah, i saw that. i am barely scratching the surface of lab results, myself. so, i most likely won't be much help. curious to know tho if you've considering running your AI thru pct (like the cdaddy/gs protocol)? the AIs have been shown to increase natty test by prmoting elevated FSH and LH. Although nolva and clomid play this role, the AI simply increases that positive feedback loop. gh has a remarkable ability to do this as well. the synergy behind gh creates much more balance at a hormonal level. i'm currently running aromasin along with my pct and low gh doses. then running bloods in 7 wks to confirm. here's a guy's labs that has been running running letro to rid some gyno issues along with gh. he's been off cycle for 4 months. http://www.eroids.com/sites/default/files/gearpic/3951/photo-2_1.PNG
idk much about thyroid levels or prolactin..
looks by the book, as expected. might just be part of the waiting game. good thing you have bulk rips to keep you feeling positive ;)
sup muta, baby? what was your pct protocol? did you run hcg while on cycle? how long was your cycle? how long as it been since your pct ended? we are all dyin to knowww - - we need our number 1 source in top athletic and sexual health