posted Thu, 06/25/2015 - 17:44
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trt for the low test
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Im new to this what would be the smallest amount of test plus masteron to take and run as hrt while still having some effect? Thank you.
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I for one will no longer support you in your questioning until you start being upfront with who you are and your motives. I have my suspicions.
I doubt if you have trained much, You have 25% BF, 185 lbs and under 6 feet tall.
Are you 32 or 35 years old? Your reply in your other thread has me thinking you could be 22.
You just don't walk into a GP and have him test your T levels and walk out with a prescription.
There's a process to getting on prescribed TRT -it can take a year or longer to get it all dialed in. What you mentioned below does not fit with someone who has gone down that road.
Someone who lives with his parents and is worried about illegal packages coming to his door would not pass up on prescribed trt using pharma products and covered by insurance. And a script to keep him out of harm's way with his parents and the law.
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If you want to drop weight, and get into shape start natural for a few years. Read the book, "The Testosterone Advantage Plan" by Men's Fitness. It'll show you how to increase your T levels naturally, give you a broad brush understanding of the science, and give you some training and meal plans based on different goals.
After you're < 20% BF (you still might weigh 185) then revisit this endeavor.
greg ill pm you.
As I have guessed so I would pay attention to the last paragraph to my post.
You have a modestly high percentage of fat. And you feel you can gain muscle easily. You hope that by using a drug that won't amortize into estrogen you won't have to put in as much hard work to lose that fat. You're seeking a "more is better" solution.
Problem is you and your doctor are working together for your failure.
Doctors have learned that their patients do not listen to them.
They get paid (motivated) by insurance companies not to see you.
High BP? we got a pill for that. Cholesterol? not a problem, we got a pill for that too. Low T? You guessed it, we have something for that as well.
A doctor I can give you all the information you need to recomp your body, make you feel youthful, have low BP, normal T levels, and normal cholesterol. But he knows you won't follow his instruction. He knows that you're looking for that magic pill you saw the pharmaceuticals sell on TV.
If your T levels are low, and I'm talking well south of 200. Than you might see some benefit with a modest TRT dose. Adding AAS causes issues with BP and RBC counts and a host of other things.
That being said, Your best course of action is to learn how your body works and make the changes you want without a crutch. Read the book I suggested. Read lots of books. Learn how to eat, what to eat, when to eat. Learn how to work out.
Sounds kind of Zen but only after you are able to make changes in your body without AAS, you might consider using aas
I went into a "wellness center" on a $25 groupon mainly for the prostate bloods. The doctor had me come back and told me my test was medium high, 680, but I would be better off with levels closer to 1100. She wanted me to start TRT. Of course buying it through them. So, yes you can just walk in and walk out with a prescription.
My comment was for a GP (as the poster commented going to his own doctor) not one of the "men's wellness" clinics that have popped up everywhere.
680? I would kill to have natural levels around 680.
My TRT keeps me around 600-800
My GP, you know, a real doctor ;-) gets worried if my levels go over 800
Greg. Yes an old school doctor who is trying to keep you healthy, lol. The place I went to considers themselves "the future of men and women's health and wellness". I really think that she thought she was doing good. The owner of the place probably sold her really well on these ideas. Anyhow if I were to increase my testosterone I would not be doing it by getting $25 a week shots from them.
Bro, 1197 ng / dL is the top of the LabCorp range. I would have told her your version of TRT is more in the 5,000 ng / dl range. That would have been worth the "treatment." LMAO
I mean your in the gym and you want RESULTS - 1,100 ain't gonna cut it.
This is TRT not gain 20 lbs bro.., but I do like where you're going with this
Is masteron even considered hrt / trt ???
No.
I know this but adding it in with the trt is what i meant.
Bro, you are not going to build muscle with Masteron. It's a pure DHT androgen with a low anabolic rating. I and others mostly use it as a polishing compound in contest prep cycles.
alright man thanks for the info, what do you suggest for a super light dose of gear followed by trt?
Did your doctor set you up on TRT yet? No sense in even thinking about gear until that is settled. There are a lot of issues regarding diet and training as well. We're the same height and I weigh 70 pounds more than you do and that wasn't all built with gear bro.
I was just going to keep buying the test online and do it that way. My diet is fairly clean now training is good, I grow pretty easy just have some bodyfat.
Wrong, go see a fkn doctor and get checked, self prescribed trt is a fucking stupid thing to do. Shame on anyone in this thread giving you any advice other then seeing an endo. GO SEE A FKN DOCTOR!
Got to say I'm also hugely uncomfortable seeing someone who is bipolar self prescribing TRT.
agreed on that. Chemical imbalance and test could very well put him in a bad spot, one time his estro drops or rises and the depression alone could put him in the hospital. Endo and blood tests are the only solution as Im sure his regular doctor would veto his getting a prescription because of that.
Thanks for the advice. I'll go see an endocrinologist or my current doctor who prescribed it before. But assuming im OK on it for a while( 6-8 months) would it then be alright to introduce trace amounts of tren or any other aas? Btw I actually do have very low levels and I meant no disrespect to anobody. I do not wish to cause alarm on this forum just to seek advice and you guys have been really helping me thus far. Thank you.
Just FYI. The very last steroid you would want to use if you suffer from manic depression is Trenbolone. It really is the only "psycho active" steroid we know of and what's worse, we don't know why. There are also some complaints about EQ causing anxiety but I recommend you stay as far away from Tren as you can.
Also bro, bipolar disorder is a loaded term and brings about all manner of prejudices from the general public that are totally off base. How severe is your condition Type 1 or Type 2? TV and the movies make people with bipolar disorder out to be psychotic which is way over the top.
Hollywood has made bipolar out to be a bad thing, thankfully for me I watched it 1st hand with my little brother who was diagnosed Bipolar. I watched him on a cycle of test before I even thought of training put someone in the hospital for just looking at him and when he went to jail he tried to kill himself many times. When he got back out he cycled again and this time he jumped from a building to kill himself and shattered both ankles and has pins for life. He was diagnosed with low test last year and the doctor will not prescribe him trt because of his episodes. Episodes he still has to this day. Bipolar is not something to fuck around with especially introducing a man made chemical. 500mg a week made him have mood swings like crazy and he was also taking his meds. Am I offbase?
Well, bro, let me just say this. Obviously what happened to your brother is real. My personal experience with bipolar disorder is nothing like that. I didn't really want to make that public, but your brother's experience is not representative of the disease. But, perhaps mine isn't either. Using steroids does not make me psychotic. I wouldn't have said what I did if I did not have first hand experience with the disease.
The problem with it a its just a label. My brother in law is bipolar, but also has extreme psychosis. That changes things immensely. He's still "badged a manic depressive" in medical terms, but his issues are considerably greater as a result of aggression / violence / narcissist personality traits than just bipolar.
I was diagnosed while still in grad school. It was treated and I have been asymptomatic for the last 12 years. I don't even think about it quite frankly but being thought of as psychotic makes me a bit defensive for sure. Of course, I worry about my two boys. I haven't seen any signs yet but I'm watching for it.
Ask your endo if it would be ok after he determines a course of action.
Sorry to hear about your brother man. I have less severe symptoms but still can be manic at times. I don't like having a stigma attached to being bipoar but thats just how it is. I will def check with my doctor to see what would be the best way to go about things. Btw I was thinking about a super low dose like 150 mgs not 500 for me that would be way too much.
Still, keep yourself safe and check with both of your doctors; your disorder is a chemical imbalance in the brain; you need to make sure that it will not put you in a bad place because once you start it takes a few weeks to be out of your system and it could be a bad 2 weeks for you.
RustyhookerAgree. Exactly what I posted too. Now it's IF he listens....
Thank you Rusty, and dont worry Im going to listen to you guys. Im not stupid.
Go see your doctor and blood work will give you the answer son!
Are you the same guy who said a 200mg dose gave you a bad reaction?
And you have bipolar?
I can't find that forum now...
RustyhookerReally need your stats, goals, priors with gear. Dr ordered trt? Why?
I have only been on trt for about 7 months prior. Its because I have low testosterone. My goal is to get into the ifbb eventually. Im 32 looking pretty muscular with low t naturally at 185 and yes I do have bipolar. I experienced some negative mental side effects like aggression when I was taking 200mgs a week so I just want a really small dose of the two. But in my defense I went off my meds during the trt which my have led to the aggression. I heard you can cycle in masteron without a pct because you stay on test therefore no need, just wondering about the dose. I am pretty muscular naturally but want to look freaky. I believe my genetics are really good when it comes bodybuilding so with a little help i can make it far. I just need some good advice from a vet. Like how long to cycle masteron on and off and at what amount. I think I'll keep the test pretty low since I respond to just a small amount and dont want to get any mental side effects. I know I already got advice that I should not use aas but I have been lifting for many years on and off with low t but I am very serious about building a champion physique. Thank you.
RustyhookerStopping your meds will play hell on your system. Wreck the good things around you. Please consider what's real and important.
Masteron is a dht. It for me handles estro lightly. It hardens. But it's not known as a great mass builder. And as with dht....aggression. so you'd basically drop a lil bit of water and be aggressive.
Eq is another one where test can be low. Many folks get bad anxiety while on eq. I've not been able to pinpoint if the chem raises anxiety for many as bp also can rise with dehydration or the eq itself just doesn't work with their system. And the esters are very long so you'd possibly deal with anxiety for couple weeks as the esters leave your body.
A great physique as we know is basically built with hard gym sessions and foods. Food masses us and food trims the fat. There's a good deal of food guys on here than can help greatly in that department.
With test keeping you youthful and speeding recovery you can sculpt. Are you thinking stage or just looking great?
Im thinking the stage hopefully the big IFBB someday and there are one or two natural guys who made it. However, if I run anything again I will not stop my meds, I will possibly even inform my doctor and up the meds. Also I was just looking at some stuff, I wont name the lab here, thats mixed a mix of test and tren or test and bold etc. I was thinking of just taking a really low dose of that, I mean super low and then staying on a superlow dose of test. I dont think I would need pct do you? Im talking amount taking very small amounts here...Whats your stance?
RustyhookerI think you're heading down the wrong road entirely. I've seen dude at gym full blow out roid rage. My good friend skipped his meds and was pulling baby trees outta the ground. Gear will intensify emotions and feelings.
My input, hit a great diet and look good natural. None of the ifbb guys are natural. It's a chemical world. On the natural route however is the physique class. I can full see you competing in that arena with kitchen mastery. Less stress on your meds/hormones. The physique guys are average build and we'll sculpted.