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So, as someone with experience, I still haven’t ran quite a few.
I never did deca/npp, just scared of prolactin issues really cuz full transparency it’s the only thing that messed up my nips (I have very mildly dabbled with tren, decided to save it for when I want to compete). I never had straight e2 issues on nips, ai or not.
I also never did EQ/Boldenone, I personally think raising your RBC count for that long ain’t good. I also am a fan of Anadrol and that would be hct city.
DHB I gave a go but holy pip!
Never did MENT cuz unpredictable estro sides but I don’t think it’s very common at all.
Never did Dbol, I like Anadrol idk
My cycles are usually around 750 test + low dose ai, low dose mast (preferably primo when I can) and an oral (var and drol are my favs) w/ 4-6 iu gh.
ANYWAYS, Can one of you fanboys on one of things I haven’t tried tell me which I should. I’m sick of just the same shit, None of my opinions are an end all when it comes to things I haven’t actually ran. Want your input!!!
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AK80100mg of NPP every MWF for 3 months should treat you ok. Drop down to 150mg total for the week if it wigs you out.
Swoledad250I personally am one of the few who enjoy Dbol. Especially when I’m running higher doses of Mast or EQ.
What are doing....added size strength? I like npp more than deca. E2 must be kept on point and a da on hand as/if needed for any cycle. 350npp with 600test...300masteron e. Felt like full day pump and in gym the pumps were insane. People wont do proper bloods or protocols then get issues.
If test works....why change??? Add an oral like dbol, drol cycled or var. Or simple test provi. Leave mast out on a bulking cycle. Get a lil water load....kinda like creatine was isolated from deca cycle....kreb etc...e2 closer to 50 than 25 and test test test
NPP is a steroid for females. All I ever got out of NPP was lingering side effects and swollen breast tissue. Not worth it IMO.
I’m on 400NPP a week and I don’t see any of those issues. I thinks the best way to know is trying and see if you get any sides.
So what would you suggest in place of NPP?
Here I am running the tren, adrol and dbol and I don’t look anything like you. It’s humbling and makes me rethink everything I do.
I’m sure you look great brother. I have dabbled with tren years ago but it kinda makes me lose my mind lol, I’m saving that for when I compete. Tren didn’t really add size on me , when I tried it I noticed I held less water and had a lot more consistent vascularity. I’m nothing special brother I train hard as balls tho (high intensity) I do give myself that. No RIR bs, Every set matters!
After just seeing your phenomenal pictures again mate - shouldn't you be telling US what to run????!! Lmao
Na man not at all I really appreciate the help. That is what I run Test/Mast or Primo, 4-6iu gh and an oral. Test dose usually caps at 750 for me I personally don’t see too much benefit after that, that’s why I want help adding in new compounds from y’all! Hopefully I’ll have some competition pics to share next season maybe May or June. I really appreciate the complement also
Out of interest mate - Are you a barbell presser or dumbbell presser?
I’ve been training 12 years, first 9 were barbell. I competed in powerlifting for a little then tweaked my shoulder. I was grazing a 500 bench and went all out to get there, which led to tendinosis (wear and tear basically) in all 4 rotator cuff tendons, a small labrum tear , and bursitis (it healed but cost me a ton of out of pocket work on it and couldn’t press for almost 5 months) and that scared me away from it. I do more heavy af plate loaded now than anything else, and only do incline. Elbows extra tucked + incline = 0 shoulder stress for my anatomy. I do occasionally like heavy dumbbells if I have a couple of spotters. After I compete again I’m going back for redemption tho and hitting my 500 bench I should’ve gotten if I didn’t get carried away. This time will do it right and limit heavy benching to once a week instead of twice and not load up 4 plates on my belt for dips. It’s strange I really didn’t have an incident where I injured myself it more so just accumulated.
There’s my essay answer^ hahahaa
Well you kept your powerlifting background quiet didn't you mate!! lol Tell me about it pal, if there is one bodypart that holds me back on benching its my damn shoulders, always has been. Once you start getting tempted with the heavy stuff again beyond 4 plates then rest assured in time the good old tendonitis is going to become a part of your life at sometime or other. This is why you NEED to add in NPP as part of your cycles, honestly you would get so much benefit from it. It will remove half of the pain from your shoulders immediately, then DBol will cure the rest. Its why I love DBol and NPP because they help shoulders so much. When I got back to 470 several years back I stupidly trained whilst still sore and got a grade 1.5 left pec tear, when that happened the bar dropped awkwardly on the righ hand side which gave me an RTC tear around the same grade. It healed with no surgery but every now and again it seems to go a little as I can feel pain on the outer shoulder and the bar becomes unbalanced when unracking it heavy. Then it heals after several weeks again.
You really wanna be careful if you have had a labrum tear as I know a few others that have had this that were 500 benchers, they then are eager to get back into it again and lift heavy too soon and one had a full labrum tear, not even sure if he is healed now or not after massive surgery on it. I've always found Dips really harsh on shoulders too mate - I would train bench to get bench stronger and stay away from dips if you can. Best thing to do to get back to 500 is to train with 405 up to 445. Do reps with those weights and not singles and things with heavier weights. Once you can hit 405 for 7 to 8 reps then you will get a single with 500. When playing with 405 I find its a weight that isn't really heavy enough to injure you either.
When I’m ready to go for it I’ll def reach around to you. The labrum is cartilage so the only cure is surgery, and a full tear is definitely A LOTTTT different than a partial. Like not even comparable. Partial tears you still have use as it’s still all connected. Yes I was hitting 475 clean as balls, getting 455 for 5. I’m also never doing dips again I really think it heavily contributed to it. I was going deep as fuck with them too. Lesson learned.
Jesus christ, you were a fuck load stronger than I've ever been then hitting 455 for 5!!! If you could do that you would have easily hit 500 for a single. I know 445 for 3 is 485 max. Yeh deep heavy dips are just no unnatural on the whole shoulder joint. Not so bad just using body weight and high reps but lets be honest, no powerlifter does that kinda thing LOL
Yes they don’t, and sorry actually it was 450 for 4 not 455 for 5, I was just looking at my vids from a few years ago I messed that up. Idk I’m weird bro I have a lot more strength with reps than a 1rm. 475 was my max ever and I think I had more in me but I was waiting for the 500. On another note my deadlift was absolutely trash I barely got over 600 conventional. Not to play the blame game but the over under grip really fucks with me at lockout, I def could pull more if I learned that hook grip shit. My squat (in gym) was 644 and hit a 628 in comp so that was solid. But holy shit I had a hard time with lockouts with that grip I tilted too much at the top I think it was with 610 and they didn’t call it
I love NPP. I usually start at 150 and titrate up to 300. Never had any issue really. BP creeps up to 130 towards the 8 week mark and that’s about enough for me. I like it because it doesn’t screw with sleep, I still feel great, especially with a little mast, and gains are good. You may need a little higher dose. I’m almost 50 and only 205 so I don’t need a ton to have fun with it. Never had an issue with prolactin. Take P5P starting a couple weeks before I start just in case. Run test at 300-500 and mast at 200-300 with it.
I think I’m gonna get some npp and start 300mg a week see what happens
Probably worth mentioning that you have managed to get MASSIVE on basically test only. I would have never guessed. Kudos to you, butthole.
Those are basically what you call Grade A Fuckin Genetics mate - pure Mesomorph. He's a lucky Bastard!! LMAO He's my height but with another 2 stone of muscle on and much leaner. I imagine he looks HUGE in person.
Some guys man got them genes. Not me that is for sure. But that's a ton on hard work on Pete's part too. Guy is definitely committed.
Tbh bro I really changed once I stopped doing junk volume. I’m not saying volume doesn’t have its place for other people but for me prioritizing one all out set per exercise is what’s an absolute game changer. Also high reps do absolutely nothing for me and I shrink. I stay in the 6-10 rep range and if I’m getting more than 10 I up the weight (I track literally every exercise). I also believe people really overdo warm ups, as in they do a warm up set on every fucking exercise. Like your warm bro, save that energy!!!! And idc what anyone says, for me, Rest/Pause sets + partials changed the game. Go to failure, rest 15 seconds and go to failure again (it’s crazy you can literally get 10 solid reps and on the second get like 2-3). That’s usually what I do, then a back off set with like half the weight very slow (4 seconds each way). It’s a new thing to talk shit about intesifiers now but I know what works for me so they can suck my italian sausage.
I also take way more days off then most people I’m training 4 days a week at maximum.
Oh yeah I'm not taking anything away from him - I wish I was built like that too, everyones dream who lifts weights. Ideal proportions & tendon insertion points for lifting heavy weight and displaying muscle - Big depthy ribcage, broad shoulder base, big wrists and joints, great hips. Even their metabolisms and protein conversion rates are better!
It’s funny you should say that cuz my powerlifting coach said I had an advantage because of my wrist/hand size. Yea my rib cage is def naturally big. I’m a short king tho haha but hey I’m taller than the current Mr Olympia so that’s something
God Its getting hot in here.
As it should
I usually rock the gasp/ better bodies pump covers so I look wide but nothing crazy I think lol. I wanna see what I can do n I need to venture into more compounds for sure. Means a lot! I’m going to be actually conditioned over the next several months starting Nov 1st. I’m ab a month into Reta and it def helped
Thank you brother, yea that’s really it man in terms of injectables! Orals I’ve dabbled tho mainly var and Anadrol and low dose mast and primo (barely)
NPP is probably one of my favorites. I don’t really care for deca as it’s water retention is like triple that of NPP (at least for me). And i have used it both in cutting and bulking. Prolactin isn’t too crazy at 350 per week. Especially if you’re taking P5P regularly, you can probably be ok without caber, but def keep it in hand.
Thank you! Yes I have emergency caber lol. Great to hear
the_escobarrIf this is your first time trying an anabolic as a NOR19, I definitely recommend NPP. It enters and exits the bloodstream quickly. It doesn't significantly impact prolactin levels. If you experience any adverse reactions, the withdrawal period is very short. And this is the gear for those who really want to gain mass.
Now I’m convinced!
Wouldn't bother with MENT - tried it many times and never got any of these magical gains the newbies wet themselves over. EQ is just side effects in a vial for very little muscle gain. NPP is well worth running for the strength gains, joint relief if you like to push things and muscle gain. Try DBol, you never know until you give it a try.
Thank you! Yes it’s the weirdest things you hear about MENT, some act like it’s the best thing ever others say opposite. Strange. Thank you for feedback.
What weekly dosage of NPP do you recommend for muscle growth?
Starting off for the first time I would run it at 50 to 60mg per day mate, or double those for EOD injecting. You will love it pal, well worth it. You already look like you run it anyway!!! lol Try DBol at 30mg per day in tabs and tell me you don't love it pal - make sure you get a good lab to use as that can make all the difference when it comes to great gains off it. I'm sure you seen which one I use for DBol.
Thank you I really appreciate guidance in terms of top tier sourcing per product. A lot of good sources but some clearly shine with one product more so than the next. Always open to a PM for recommendations
Test NPP mast is pretty sweet cycle. Also, not everyone gets high HCT on EQ. And that side seems to get worse the older you get, older than you. There’s some bloodwork in my pics from 10 years ago on almost a gram of bold cyp and my HCT was 45. Hemo and RBCs were perfect too. If your HCT on 750mg of test or Androl has not been high then you’d probably be fine on bold.
So it depends on how much you want to pin. You’ll need to atleast 3x ew with NPP. Less if you ran deca but if you’ve had prolactin issues in the past on tren id want to run NPP so you could quickly abort If you had issues. With EQ or bold cyp you can get away with twice ew pins.
Thanks for your feedback, yea it’s really crazy how person dependent things could be. I totally agree, that’s why deca isn’t on my radar but npp is! Have you noticed decent growth on NPP? And what is your dosage usually?
Ya man test npp was a classic bulker for me. Tried and true. After a while I ran it around 500mg ew. Being your first time and potential prolactin issues you may want to start lower like around 300mg ew, 100mg 3x a week. 300mg of npp is an effective dose. After a week or two your joints will feel like a million bucks.
I’d say stick with the primo you’ve been running but you’re young enough. Get the experimentation out of your system now then go back to the healthier stuff like primo in a few years. I’d stay away from stuff that’s never been tested on humans like DHB and ment. There’s enough effective compounds out there that are intended for human use that it’s not necessary to be a lab rat imo.
Always appreciate your insight man, truly
I have NPP but have not tried it yet. I do however use Deca and it is great but I only do 100 mg a week just to get the benefits of joint relief that along with Primo and the muscle starts to build on. If you are worried about Prolactin, which it is rare for it to be an issue, then you can always have Caber on hand just like having an Ai on hand for when needed.
As far as DHB goes, I just started that a week and half ago and I love it, no PIP it may have been the brand you used that caused you to get PIP. I mix test and DHB in the same syringe when pinning.
Some other compounds I don't use and have no intention of using because I don't want my body oder to change. Tren works great for muscle building if you can stand the night sweats.
Thank you for feedback, let me know how the DHB went once finished!