posted Fri, 08/07/2015 - 05:04
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Side effect help please
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I am 12 weeks into a cycle of Test Cyp 625mg EOD and Tren E 400mg EOD. With that I have been on Arimidex to control Estrogen the entire cycle. I was planning on doing another 3 or 4 weeks on this cycle but noticed my nipple was sore last night. I Squeezed the lump behind my nipple and some white and some yellow stuff came out around my nipple itself. Question would be what is it? What should I do about it? Should i start my PCT's now or just continue on with the cycle?
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The tren fucked you up
GearofWarYikes. Don't wanna sound the alarms but yeah, you NEED to get on a dopamine agonist posthaste my guy. You should shoot for Caber/Dostinex as it is the gold standard compound for most well-tolerated and lowest incidence of negative side-effects vs Bromo and Prami. BUT seeing as how you are now lactating I'd get whatever I could get my hands on. Pay for express shipping and start dosing it aggressively as soon as it lands. Caber is unfortunately hard to find domestically so it's likely that you'll have to source it internationally to be sure you're getting legit shit. And at this point it's all about getting legit shit to kill that prolactin and lactation guy. So let me ask you this: leading up to the whole leaky nips ordeal have you had any interest in sex and have you had trouble getting and maintaining a quality erection? No I'm not asking because I'm a creepy homo but rather because those were all tell-tale signs this was on it's way. It's called "Deca Dick" even though you're not on Deca. It's a generalization for what happens when you're on a 19nor compound(Deca or TREN in your case) and prolactin is wreaking havoc on your system. Now go my son. And find a DA. NOW. And yeah, read below. Lots of good advice. Best of luck.
RustyhookerCatalyst lined you up down below. Get those items stat! Or pay 5 grand for nipple surgery.
So you're in your 20's running close to (2 grams a week of test) ALSO RUNNING!!!! (Over a gram and a qtr of tren per week) and you what didn't think you would have any issues?(16 weeks of tren????) Smh! This is what's wrong with the newer generation. How much research did you do befor you started your cycle? What were your plans on prolactin control? Did you even have a plan at all when starting this cycle? And you have to have known you were going to get shit for asking about this cycle man.
I'm hoping he meant that much a per week splitting his shots up eod. If he ran that much gear with the little knowledge that he has shown he wouldn't have made it 12 weeks without some serious sides I would think.
In clarification the 625 and 400 is per week. as you all know that is a low and manageable amount of each.
well said.
Bro, you let your prolactin rise to the point that you're starting to lactate. There are two underlying causes of gynecomastia (bitch tits) - estrogen based and prolactin / progestin based. When you run a 19-nor based compound like Tren or Deca or Trestolone you need to run a dopamine agonist (DA) along with it to prevent prolactin from rising. Common dopamine agonists are cabergoline (caber for short) which is what I use, bromocriptine (bromo for short) and pramipexole (prami for shot). On Tren at 500 mg a week I would use 0.25 mg caber e3d to keep down prolactin.
I have never tried to stop lactation once it started with a DA but if you get progestin based gyno everybody I know had to have it repaired with cosmetic surgery. If there is someone here that has been able to use an elevated dose of a DA to crash prolactin - please jump in here with the dosing.
Bro, I also would not be running Tren 16 weeks at a pop as something you normally do. I would stop the cycle at this point for sure figure out how to kill the prolactin, get a hormone panel blood test done and take a look at E2 and prolactin along with everything else. It is true that some folk have been able to manage prolactin by watching their E2 like a hawk and keeping it nice and low while running compounds like Tren. The current understanding is that in an environment of exceptionally low E2, prolactin will not rise.
You're in deep bro - need to do everything in your power not to end up with gyno.
Apparently I missed something in my research as I went back and read all my info on this cycle and nothing said anything about caber, I took the Arimidex to control estrogen and figured I was ok doing so. I will stop the cycle as is and start my PCT and at the same time hopefully there is some other way to stop what I have started with gyno. The nipple feeling just started two or three days ago maybe so I believe I've caught it early.
I assume you know about prolactin control as you're running a 19nor?
From what I knew the Arimidex was sufficient. Apparently not, at this point I could use a little help in fixing the situation. Therefore you have any thoughts?
Cat do you know how to crash prolactin with a DA when lactation is just starting? See my comment above.
Crash your E2 real hard and quickly, big anti prolactin intake, bromo / prami / caber in that order if possible but likely to get a few negative side effects particularly with the first two.
OP - My advice is to bin the cycle, you're in a bit of a mess here. The rest I can talk you. Tell me what AI's you have in you possession? What anti prolactin can you get hold of and how quickly.
update: i checked my charts on my calendar and i was only on week 7 of a rough 10 week cycle based on what gear i had. I noticed the symptoms on Thursday morning and then started the following. I'm taking my Arimidex every Day and also started taking Caber on Friday as well at .5mg per day. so far i have taken this for 5 days now. I have stopped pinning and skipped the Sunday and Tuesday pin now. My symptoms have slowed greatly and there is basically no liquid at all from the nipples, I believe i caught the issue very early as i pay attention to all that. the nipples are a little sore with small lumps behind them is all.I was planning on quiting the cycle now as i havn't been pinning and then take 2 more day in a row of Arimidex and Caber and then starting my Nolvadex and Chlomid every day for 20 days. I also planned on taking the Caber once a week for 3 weeks after i take two more. What are your thoughts on the whole plan? Also its nice to have access to caber and to all who got worked up I knew i had access to it I just didn't have it in my possession.
All I have on hand is Arimdex used during cycle and then I have my Chlomid and Nolvadex for PCT.
1mg arimidex tabs I assume?
Starting point, for the next 7 days 1mg arimidex ed. You're going to feel a bit shut, angry joints etc. Also order immediately letrozole, aromasin and caber. Delivery time should be more important than price, you want it yesterday.
Anyone have ideas on a crash at this point?