+ 1 NPP Thoughts, experiences pls
Hey guys, I've done 2 test/primo cycles now and I have been very pleased with my physique changes, but I'm thinking about running NPP with my next cycle.
I have a few reasons I'm on the fence abt running a 19-Nor: Primo wasn't hair safe for me, although it's rebounded well on cruise. Also i remember i had a tiny gyno spot my dr found during puberty (he was handsy lol) and I'm afraid of re-awakening it. Since NPP half-life is so short am i correct in thinking that if I run into problems that cutting it will likely stop it before irreversible? I know Caber isn't super healthy so i was hoping to keep it on hand and only use it if progesterone climbs up. I didn't arrive at NPP lightly, like i said i got great gains from lighter anabolics, but i really want to mutate this summer and get past the "natty-ish lifter" physique. I've weighed everything i have eaten for last year and will have macros on point for a lean-ish bulk. I think i have about 6 weeks left on Reta, then stepping on the gas.
How was your hair w NPP if your prone to androgenic alopecia?
How Did you manage progesterone/Prolactin? proactively, or reactively?
How did your dick work? (gotta keep Mrs. HogCranker300 Happy lol)
My current plan is to run 500mg Test cyp weekly with 300mg NPP weekly, Both EOD inj frequency. 0.5-1mg Reta/week. Thinking NPP will only be for 8 weeks, but idk. Nolva and Caber will be on hand. I'm open to input on dosages as well.
Any thoughts / Tips are appreciated.
Thanks Gang
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I recently discovered npp after many years of using steroids and it is now my favorite steroid. I haven't tried it before because whenever I used deca durabolin before I didn't feel very good either physically or mentally and it took me "years" to recover from it. Npp is like a different steroid and not just a different ester. It lubricates my joints in the first/second week. My mood is, in a word, stable, no rage or depression. My libido is where I like it to be in the middle, I want sex but not like on some steroids every hour which is a BIG strain for both me and my wife. As for the muscles, one word is FULL and roundness of the muscles. So there is a clearly visible difference no matter what your calorie intake is. That's why I plan to use a little and on the definition
As for the hair, I lost it a long time ago and honestly I never even kept track of it. I have never used anything for either estrogen or progesterone/prolactin in more than 20 years of taking steroids, and I have taken up to a few grams of steroids. In general, I think that the vast majority of people take these things without much reason. Certain values are normal in relation to the type and amount of steroids and there is no reason to take them off, but I guess there are people who are extra sensitive and make themselves even more sensitive by taking them from the start of the cycle as if to be safe.
You need a few hours reading the forums sir to grasp all this info properly
I'm scoopin all the info on here, ngl 19-nors do be spooky.
I will say prolactin issues are a lot of the time exacerbated from not having e2 in check. A lot of people don’t need caber or prami if e2 is proper, regardless should always have either on hand
Thanks man, I have gotten e2 checked at various doses of test, feel comfortable with controlling it finally. I'll have the caber and nolva on hand. I have tons of anastrazole bc of trt Rx.
Is it so wrong of me to just wanna take caber for fun? Go blow a couple paychecks at the casino and raw dog some hookers?
Caber.
I would think something is wrong with you if you don't do this. Send pics pls
Absolutely Pete ! E2 is the foundation. If that’s not in check, everything else gets messy. In my experience and from what I’ve seen, a lot of “prolactin issues” are really just unmanaged estrogen.
Control E2 properly, and most of the time you end up controlling how you respond to 19-nors too. Doesn’t mean ignore prolactin completely, but jumping straight to caber without dialing E2 first is where a lot of guys go wrong.
I’m a huge fan of nandrolone period. Press has good notes on it below. I like lower maintenance doses up to 600mg… higher mg is usually run for a shorter period like 10 weeks for me. Diet will dictate how you grow on it. I have cut with nandrolone and I have bulked with nandrolone. I’ve never had ED issues or bloodwork imbalances, but I’m one of the unique guys here. Estro and prolactin are never issues.
Start low and work up. That’s the best advise anyone can give.
unseen423Following, some really good info here. Always been a test/mast/primo/var guy myself, but slowly stocking up on EQ and NPP to expand my horizons in the future!
Running 650 Test, 500 Primo and 200 NPP right now. I take 100mg a day of P5P and I keep my prolactin in check with that. The Primo takes care of the E2 (slightly high at around 35, but stable). Joints feel ok. I feel sometimes emotionally flat, but that could just be my OCD and depression… and it’s only for a day or two but that’s normal for me.
Dick is good, just ask your mom.
Mom confirmed dick function. She checked mine too lol
You can look into prami for prolactin
Prami will make you puke. Find better options.
It's a staple compound for me next to Testosterone, wouldn't run anything else. Best compound by far if you want better size, strength, joints, appetite etc. I run 700mg/wk of it, have been to 1050mg/wk on the stuff when dosed at 150mg/ml where barrel volume is less of an issue. Never run Caber before. I find as long as I keep my vitamin protocol in there ED of Zinc, Magnesium, D3, B12 and folate plus a Multi then I am horny as hell every day and never have Boner issues. I can't imagine on 300mg/wk you will have any nasty issues buddy.
I keep saying this over and over again, and I think that the Lab you use for this compound is EXTREMELY important as to how you mentally feel on it as there are some Real Head Fucky versions out there I tried before settling on the one I always use these days. I've used ones that affected my vision before where I got a green tint on everything I saw LMAO Some can make you feel depressed as hell too. Pretty sure you know which one I use as I always talk about them in the forums.
Man. I was on some tren-looking npp for awhile and had some bad rage issues with it. Just felt aggressive as fuck ALL THE TIME. hopefully you're right and a better quality npp might be better. I loved the results, but I can't put myself thru that shit again...
Well ya know which version I like Milky so its up to you to get some!! You'll love it - I'm addicted to it LOL
I just got bunches of the same brand mast e. You should be proud of me.
I'd definitely like to give npp a go again. Maybe I'll order some up and run it with that mast for my summer fun
YOU'LL RUN IT NOOOWWW MISTER!!!
Yes daddie
What causes the difference if it’s the same compound?
Different quality RAW's, who manufactures the compound - who know's. Same as some DBol makes you feel happy and energetic whilst others make you feel shitty and lethargic.
Thanks bro, good info. Im def not trying to get depressed, i already spend like 250 a month on iv ketamine w doc. Tbh i hadnt put much thought into psychological sides.
So I’m new to this whole AAS thing and it was the second compound I added and I’m just finishing my first vial and I’m impressed. again it’s the second compound I’ve ever ran but I’ve enjoyed it. I did have a hard time keeping my dick hard but that was an easy fix and now I’ve added mast e to the list I’m excited to see where it takes me. I didn’t notice anything hair wise but some ED Pills worked for me now the mast and I’m getting hard looking at a fat ass so that might be the way to go. I’ve heard higher test like 2/1 test npp will help with deca dick u don’t need the caber but I bought some cause I read somewhere I’d need it but I haven’t. I haven’t had any problems with the compound at all no mental health no health problems at all. I’m my opinion it’s a good addition to
Thanks for the info bro!
And I’m running 500 test 300 npp as well just now adding 300 mast a week
I have to run mast with npp or im depressed. If I don’t have mast I don’t run npp.
DocMcGainsLoved it! Initially planned to run for 10 weeks, but went to 14 because my mid-cycle bloodwork came back clean. Everyone responds differently, but I did not get any bloat or excess water retention, or prolactin-related sides. Granted, I kept it low at 245mg/week for 10 of those 14 weeks so the side effect profile was mitigated by dosing. Strength went up, felt good, no mood flatness or deca dick. I'll give it another run some time in the future and probably go to 300mg/week given how well I tolerated it and how my bloodwork looked while on it.
I would suggest titrating up rather than starting right at 300mg. I will say the only side I had was sleep disruption. It wasn't full on trensomnia, but more restlessness, more tossing and turning etc. Since my last pin of NPP about a month ago my sleep has improved considerably. So, work your way up and see what works best for you. You might find you get a good response at a lower dose.
Caber is more for prolactin than progesterone but with NPP I have never run into any issues with it. I dose it daily instead of EOD to keep levels as stable as possible and since it is such a short ester and I think that helps mitigate any sides. I have caber on hand but have never had to use it. I’m running NPP at right around 420mg per week right now. Great compound for mass
Reactive always when dealing with caber, thankfully prolactin testing is cheap and quick turnaround normally
Next strength arc whenever that is so I can hit my 5 hundo bench imma try npp
I know you can do it big dawg
I've run nandrolone as high as 600 mg/week for 16 weeks, or as low as 50 mg/week for 24 weeks.
My absolute favorite mass builder, hands down. Nice comfy joints, nitrogen retention in the muscles, just feel strong and recover fast. As you say, you will "mutate", and feel great. Just make sure you eat appropriately, to take advantage of the entire situation.
DHTs make me shed, but I use topical RU and I have a thick head of hair in my late 40s. I have not noticed any increase when running nan.
I have never had any erection/libido problems on nandrolone, but I always run a test base.
Progesterone is only an issue for me on high tren (actual lactation), but never nandrolone, and a single 0.25 mg caber tab always made it go away instantly.
How high tren?
For me it kicked in above 350 mg (so maybe "high" is a relative term among this crowd!), and took a few weeks to manifest. TrenA.
To be clear, the lactation was oh-so-small, it wasn't anything comical like you'd see on Youtube. Nipples just felt irritable/tingly, and if I squeezed it, a small dot of white fluid would come out. Definitely enough to freak you out though.
I always ran P5P as a supplement to try and mitigate progesterone, but can't really say it worked. Caber though, within a day everything would just reset nicely. Never took more than 2 tabs of caber in a week, and never more than 2-3 weeks in a row. By then, I'd usually have dropped the tren back down anyways, the night sweats alone would have me miserable at that point.
and oops, I meant prolactin, not progesterone
Thanks man! good to hear it worked out for you. I think the DHT shedding isn't very common but real.
Sweet, I am planning on running NPP in my Fall cycle, and never used it. My original plan was to only run it for 4 weeks until the longer esters kicked in.
Ill be following this thread..