Noobie first cycle question with diminishing returns
Hey fellas
I'm so full of stupid questions, maybe one day I'll be the one answering them. Tried to research this topic but it's all over the place.
From what I've gathered, there seems to be this idea of diminishing returns with steroid cycles. Example being a great responder might put on 15 lbs of lean mass first 500mg test c only blast. Maybe 7 lbs lean mass on second 500mg blast. Maybe 4 lbs on third with no added compounds etc.
My question is, if someone was already on a high trt dose of say 200mg a week for lets say 2 years, and then decided to do a 500mg blast, would that person see anywhere near the OVERALL results compared to someone who started at 500 and BnC'd from there?
I think I saw or read something somewhere that said your first cycle was like kick-starting puberty again, so you want to go pretty moderate with it rather than reserved on dosage sizes.
I understand someone who is already on trt won't have the same response as if they'd started at say 500 (WITHIN that 500mg blast), but wouldn't the overall gains be similar?
Like take the same guy and let's say 4 months blasting, 4 months cruising. Would the overall gains after a year be different if they went 500>200>500>200 compared to 200>500>200>500?
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If it’s 200mg we’re talking about I’m gonna say no, the results will not be anywhere near as dramatic as someone starting off not on TRT with average 500ng/dl natural test levels, considering you’re already on a light cycle on 200mg ew. With pharm grade test that will put most people well into the supraphysiological range and it just won’t be the same shock to the receptors when you bump up to 500. No virgin receptors when you’re already on 200mg a ew for months/years. You’d likely already be dealing with some increases in myostatin at that dose. Which would be offset to some extent going up to 500. But still nothing like starting your first cycle natty.
Another aspect of first cycle gains is the level of physique development you’re at. If you’re 6ft 175 starting off you’re likely going gain a lot more than someone who’s a lean 200. Ones blasting up to their genetic potential which is easier, the other is surpassing it which is harder. And if you’ve been on 200mg ew for some time before that should have already allowed you to develop beyond what you could naturally. So you’ll be starting off from a more advanced level of physique development and probably won’t gain as much.
Do you believe that YK11 does actually inhibit myostatin and introduce new muscle gains at all mate? Have you ever had any dealings with it personally?
In theory it has potential. It stimulates the muscle to produce follistatin which definitively inhibits the effects of myostatin. The question is by how much. I’ve seen a lot of logs on it and some people have reported some pretty serious size gains. Huge strength gains too.
I never messed with it because the general consensus was that most of the Yk-11 forsale was fake. It also never made it one of pre clinical trials which isn’t a great sign.
Everyone's body is different but in reality there won't be much difference. When it comes down to it, Test is the baseline to help with other compounds to build muscle. It all has to do with what compounds you use and if they aromatize / convert to E2. When it is all said and done, the gains you make depends on how hard you workout in the gym and how often. You also have to get your diet dialed in. The test and compounds just help build the muscle a little faster than naturally.
So, again, being a noob, I've always dreamed of starting/doing test only cycles possibly for life. Is this unrealistic if I were someone weighing 175 at 6'0 natty and I wanted to achieve say 210? Are other compounds needed?
You shouldn’t need anything other than test to hit a lean 210 at 6ft.
You will see some gains on a test only cycle for a few months if you are older but after that it's not much. It's all going to be based on your diet and exercise and how hard you workout and take protein and creatine. TRT/cruise is where you just take enough test to put your body in a normal level state, guys with low natural Testosterone. You need to do blood work before you take anything to get a baseline. Other compounds are only needed if you want to gain that muscle and mass in a shorter period of time. As you get older there is limits on what you can achieve so that is where compounds come into play and help you out to achieve beyond what your body would on its own.
Have you done a cycle before? Is this a hypothetical scenario? Trt as far as I’m aware isn’t 200mgs a week. Trt seems to be thrown about by people wanting to jump on test. It’s only for people with very low test levels and has nothing to do with the gym or working out. If you haven’t done a cycle before then 500mgs test only as a blast for 16 weeks is fairly usual. PCT will help bring your natural test levels and other health markers back in time (16 weeks). You will lose most of your gains during this time. A cruise if you are planning to cycle for the foreseeable future and eventually be on trt with lowered test levels from steroids in the long run will help you keep more gains for longer but of course is a lifetime commitment.
This is hypothetical, I haven't done anything as of yet but was curious about this. From my understanding if someone goes through one of the online men's health clinics, they offer and often deliver up to 200mg of test c per week. Many folks I've talked to have levels of 1200-1500+ test levels with this dose which is relatively low considering real cycles but still Supraphysiological. These clinics will still allow customers access with natty levels of 600+ claiming to offer "peak performance" as long as you tell them you have symptoms of low test as in, I'm fat and my dick won't get hard. They also charge like $100 a month so they're making their money.
This isn't what I would want to do but it does have the allure of being legal, even as costly as it is. In saying this though I just wonder about stunting potential future gains with blasts because of starting at low doses for extended periods.
I’d have thought unless you’re travelling on a plane with it and need a prescription not sure it’s worth paying over the odds to take a cruise level amount of test. Seems like you’re on the fence about taking the leap with test etc which is not only common but completely understandable. My advice would be to continue to research and either decide to not do it or blast on test only before doing proper pct or cruise thereafter. Your results will be more about what you do in and out of gym: training, eating, sleeping than anything else.
Yeah solid advice man. I'm more afraid of the legality aspect not the health aide. I appreciate your take though. I just read most people saying it's no big deal and the cops ain't coming for a few vials and then another portion of people saying to hide your address use fake names use drop boxes use cryptic web blockers etc
Haven’t heard anything like that. If police are going after people it’s unlikely to be a buyer of a couple of vials of test. Have a look on forum at how many people buy, have had packages delivered successfully for many years. Worst case scenario package gets seized and source posts out a replacement