posted Wed, 09/24/2025 - 05:08
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Steroid Possession question.
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In my state, the law states the following:
Maximum Penalty: Possession of
less than 100 tablets, capsules, other dosage units
or equivalent quantity: Two (2) years in prison
and/or fine (misdemeanor) To possess more than
100 tablets, capsules, other dosage units or
equivalent quantity: Five (5) years in prison
and/or fine (felony)
My question is, how do find the equivalent dosage unit of "100 tablets"? I understand this is kind of a catch all to say if it looks like personal use = misdemeanor, if it looks like dealing = felony. I'm just curious how someone would measure that risk when it comes to vials instead of tablets lol.
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East coast don’t play, brother. In joisey, gear is Schedule III … same level as pain pills. No script = straight up illegal.
Even a couple vials can land you with felony charges, fat fines, license gone, maybe even prison time. Not worth getting sloppy with it. Its vary by state but…
If you’re carrying, just know you’re walking a tight line out there. Better to be smart before it bites back.
This where they could fuck you if they really wanted. They don’t seem to take into account the different concentrations, or effective doses. You might need 10 vials of 100mg/ml primo for a cycle, plus a few vials of test. And If you’re running 10mg var at 50mg ed you’d need nearly 300 of those. And that’s a pretty normal cycle. But could be classified as distribution under most states and probably federal law.
The laws suck, and there’s no chance of them ever changing because nobody is advocating for it. I don’t think anyone outside of our community gives a shit or wants the laws changed.. whereas with recreational drugs you have huge numbers of people who don’t even use who are still pushing for changes to the laws or legislation. That’s what we need. We need a lobbying group. But then the perception of steroids is so bad with the public we’d have very little chance of convincing our reps to vote to change the laws. So we’re forever stuck in the black market.
Over here the only other people I dare talk about them with face to face are other steroid users, even then I tend to play it down somewhat lmao. The image of steroids here and perception of someone that uses them is horrendous, in all fairness though until I began using them myself and realised how they feel to be on I would be very fearful and wary of people I knew used them. Felt like you were around a ticking timebomb that was likely to do anything, then again a lot of the people using them back then were generally known for being nutters. Nowadays its just young kids. They are beginning to cost the NHS a lot of money too, with all the hospital admissions from people going too hard on them in the beginning and smashing trenbolone etc, which is obviously getting worse so its costing the health system millions. The couple of times I've been in A&E with steroid related problems as soon as they find out you do them you are treated like an absolute arsehole thats costing them time and money lol They couldn't care less about the Heroin addict next to you and actually act sympathetic towards them - but we are the worser evil of the 2 it would seem Lmao.
Same dude, I’ve never told anyone who doesnt also use. I wouldn’t dare start publicly advocating for their legalization. I’m sure I’d immediately get fired from my job lol.
And we have very strong case for their legalization. We’re not robbing people for money for them. They aren’t addictive in that way. We aren’t affecting anyone besides ourselves, unlike recreational drug users. The overwhelming majority of us are just regular people with a stable life contributing to society, law abiding in every other aspect. And we would like to be able to buy clean pharmaceutical grade gear, and not worry about getting arrested. Maybe be able to tell our doctors so they can more closely monitor us without them treating us like you’ve experienced. But it’s never going to happen because it’s political suicide for our politicians.
Isn’t like personal use legal in the Uk? But you can’t sell it, and you can’t have it mailed in. So the only option is to walk from fucking Eastern Europe Back home lol. So it’s indirectly banned. But atleast then if you got caught with it inside the country it’s not illegal?
Their argument will always be (especially here where healthcare is free) that it is costing the Healthcare system NHS too much money, which in time I think it will do. Kids needing kidney and Heart care/transplants/surgeries I bet will be fairly common soon once this steroid epidemic catches up with itself full swing. They will probably make a case for the fact that the people manufacturing steroids are also making recreational drugs which I bet they probably do to an extent - must use the same pill presses and import routes I guess?
In the UK personal use is legal, as is having a cycles worth in your home. I am sure even if you had 3 or 4 cycles worth and you were busted you would still be okay. If they find evidence of brewing though such as powders, scales, hot plates and so on you are FUCKED!!! I'd love to try my hand at making a few things but I'm just too wary of doing so, not worth it for me. Its a grey area with it being mailed in, supposodly using the Royal Mail or Queens parcel company is illegal - BUT everyone gets it this way these days here. I've known lads who have had parcels intercepted by cops, all thats happened is they have knocked at the door and told them off for doing it, not arrested or charged or anything. On the other hand though, they always seem to know when big HGH orders have landed and they always get those and keep them by all accounts lol Same as anything pal thats iffy, don't openly talk about it and go around bragging about what you take and keep things to yourself.
I was reading through this study im sending to my doctor on adding nandrolone to myTRT and saw this. As you said, doctors literally see us as worse than cocaine addicts. It’s fucking insane man. And there’s just no hope for that changing probably ever. Over here probably half the population is in favor of legalizing weed and there’s been public advocacy for 10-15 years now and tons of fed, state and local politicians are for it and the best they got is legalized at the state level in a handful of blue states, and no movement at all at the federal level, which supersedes all state laws. So technically still illegal everywhere. We’re never convincing that many people to rally for legalizing steroids.
Pretty crazy to see they think being a gear user is worse than a crackhead. Vast majority of gear users are either dumb kids trying to get big or regular dudes who love working out. Of course there's the outliers but most guys using gear are normal people and more recently they arguably take better care of themselves overall than the average fat ass- minus the gear of course. But we're getting blood work regularly, taking supps and ancillarys to keep markers in check and doing our cardio, eating clean and doing everything else to stay healthy.
Lemme know if you're able to convince the Dr to give you nandrolone, and what approach you took so I can copy/paste it and try it myself. My Dr is COOL AF, but when I mentioned to her that I might get on some other stuff, she flat out told me she'd stop prescribing test to me... so I dropped it REAL quick.
Good luck getting a PCP to prescribe you nandrolone lol. I don’t think my doctor will even do it. They are a legit HRT clinic though that prescribes growth hormone releasing peptides and fat burners and such but idk about deca. Seems like there’s only a few clinics pushing the boundaries and prescribing it. Those clinics are also prescribing anavar up to 50mg ed, and I think winny too. Matrix is one of them. Those places are expensive as hell though. Mine Is all covered by insurance.
I’m gonna send mine this study and any others I can find that support it. I’ll let you how it goes. I already have a bunch of deca and NPP. While they’re atleast 6-7 years old they’re probably still good lol. It’s really calling my name. My knees and shoulders are killing me these days. But I’m trying to do most of the legally. Im a little concerned if I start taking like 100mg of deca ew it’ll skew my test levels for my quarterly bloodwork.
The results of this study were promising. 72% saw a decrease in joint pain and the average reduction in pain was over 50%.
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7108994/
When I am just cruising on Testosterone my shoulders are just plain horrible, pain and soreness that can take forever to heal obviously from benching lol As soon as I add in NPP totally different ball game - soreness goes and the enjoyment starts. Its why I also run DBol too because the difference again in shoulders is night and day which makes them feel like they have been cushioned. I know we can say well you can't rely on those forever, but at the same time I can't lift at certain levels anyway if I'm not using those compounds so it doesn't really matter. It one time my hips got quite bad from deads, but I use a hip belt a lot nowadays for stretching and it works really well. Not sure why I never used it before as I've had it for years lol
I feel your pain bro. I envy the guys who don’t deal with this joint pain. I Always had to have atleast a low dose NPP in my blasts. But I’ve gone without for many years now and my first sets of presses for chest or shoulders feels like my joints are bone on bone just grinding together. It’s so painful. But once they get warmed up after the 2nd or so set it’s tolerable, but it still hurts. I had to stop hack squatting because my left knee is so fucked up. Hack squats seem to be the worst for knee pain.I went back to front and back squats which surprisingly don’t affect my knee nearly as much. My shoulder mobility is so bad I can’t even reach the bar on back squats anymore lol. I use these strap things to make it like a safety squat bar, if you’re familiar with that. Sometimes I hurt my shoulders scratching my back lol. It’s so fucked dude. Sounds like both of us may be heading for joint replacement at some point.
Have you ever had an MRI done on your shoulders or seen a doctor about it? There’s gotta be a reason it’s so painful right? If everything was a 100 there shouldn’t be so so much pain. I’m wondering if I got partial tears in my rotator cuff or something. Same thing with my knee, something is definitely not right with it.
Mate - I am EXACTLY the Bloody same on a standard squat bar LMAO I have to warm up my shoulders and chest doing standard stretches first, then stand under the bar in a rack but over 5 minutes ease my arms and hands further back until eventually under much duress and agony I can just about trap and stretch/hold my arms on the bar on a high bar squat. BUT mate it hurts bad, after 6 reps of feeling like I've been nailed onto a cross but with my shoulders dislocated and arms snapped back I've had enough. HENCE - I invested in a Safety Squat bar a few years back now LOL Unfortunately though because I didn't really know what to buy at the time I bought this cheap £150 one where the angle of the bar that comes out to the side to support the olympic collars is all wrong. On my SSB the sides come out at exactly the same angle forward as the arms are at that sit on your traps/shoulders so if you can imagine it virtually is trying to throw you over forward the whole time during the lift!!! On a proper SSB the arms go out to the front but there is like a 45 degree angle at the bottom for the plates to hang straight down so it feels more like a natural squat bar. Its £270 to get a proper one but I just haven't done it yet lol My knees are still in really good shape and function though because I barely do them which now at 45 I'm really glad about as I image having painful knees after squatting shit loads over years is pretty awful!!! Tbh bud my shoulders aren't as beat up as maybe they could be, when I couldn't train for 6 weeks earlier this year with bronchitis they totally healed and went normal in that time. Its just once I am pressing twice a week again and going for things that they get bad, although I do rest better now and find that for some reason EAA's with added leucine really works well for healing up tendons and joints.
I was always getting problems with my right RTC over the years, and got a slight tear in it at the same time I tore my left pec as the bar came down at a really bad angle once the pec went across me. Always got niggles in it here and there - but all of a sudden now that I have incorprated shoulder width chins were my hands are at a 90 degree angle so effectively straight on and parralel to each other - I am getting NO shoulder pain at all. I think doing the chins with BW and a weighted belt is pulling the shoulder out of a compressed state from flat benching, and also its strengthened the side and rear delt in line with the front ones and its all going well now. Not sure if you do those and take EAA's everyday? It may help you alongside usual Whey Isolate shakes.
Feeling like you’re nailed to the cross but with your shoulders dislocated lolll. I about spit my drink out reading that. But that describes the feeling perfectly.
I’ve been looking at buying a dedicated SSB. I’m glad you mentioned the differences before I bought the wrong one. I see the cheap ones for like $150 and expensive ones for nearly 300 and couldn’t really tell what the differences are. You’ll have to send me some pics of what a good one looks like.
I don’t use EAAs. I’ll have to try that out if there’s a possibility it’ll help my joints. Are your palms facing away from your face with the pull ups your doing? I don’t do many pulls ups/chins ups anymore. It’s such a good exercise though I’ll have to incorporate it back in. I took off a couple months after my oldest kid was born and when I got back in the gym my shoulder and knee hadn’t healed a bit. Just as bad as it was before. The shoulder pains been there for atleast 10 years now. I probably should get it checked out. But at the same time I haven’t really made it worse during that time so maybe there’s nothing actually wrong and it’s just my terrible flexibility and mobility, and maybe some muscle imbalances. Idk. I always say in going to start doing stretches and shit for my shoulders and I have a long pipe for it, but I rarely get around to doing it.
You see how there is angle difference at the bottom between the way the weights hang straight down and the angle the parallel bars sit across the shoulders mate? On mine though the weights jut out forward at the same angle as the parallel bars so it is a nightmare to use!!
https://www.strengthshop.co.uk/collections/bars/products/riot-olympic-sa...
That bar there is a really good one.
Yes my palms are at a 90 degree angle to my face both inward facing each other if you can imagine, holding two parallel bars on a chin up bar across the top of a power rack. As they are shoulder width apart it also does not stress the shoulder capsule excessively and is a more natural hand placement.
Honestly you should give the EAA's a go and get a bag of Leucine to add a scoop in also, the extra leucine really raises the protein synthesis level of it all and goes in at blood level rather than having to be digested.
Mate I’m the same. Soon as I add 4-5 other compounds at high doses I just seem to feel better.
Haha I need to find a way to gently bring it up and not act like I'm already primed to do it. I'll use joint pain like you as my precursor.
Same as you, when blood work comes along I'm stressed that some random thing I've done is gonna screw me over. Like my recent 6 weeks on anavar.
Also she's a primary care doctor. She is gonna have no idea wtf nandrolone is. So I also need to find a way to explain it without acting like I already know exactly what it is. She lets me run 200/wk test and doesnt care that my levels are routinely 1700+ so I don't wanna risk it haha
You’re quite right. It’s not an offence to possess steroids for personal use in UK.
Yea that’s really vague calculations. Like other people said unless you are indirectly caught with it like getting pulled over or through some type of other arrest (prob drug related) ur fine, unless there is viable proof of you flipping for a ton of profit. Bigger fish to fry with the recreational drugs out there. When you hear about people getting in trouble for gear it’s usually either a massive operation or involved in a drug ring that has other drugs in the mix, and was caught in the crossfire
Here coppers generally only arrest you for drug possession in small quantities if you are being a nuisance, driving under influence, drunk and disorderly, fighting. It’s very rare they stop you for no reason and would bother doing paperwork for a small amount of any drugs.
Honestly unless you are dealing, you are pretty safe. Even if customs confiscates some gear you ordered, how can they prove you ordered it? A good lawyer would get you out of it. In the USA we have Constitutional Rights and as such the best thing you can do is to remain silent and deny it all.
If it's a one size fits all measurement than 100 tablets=100 vials. Which is the dumbest fucking thing on the planet and I hope that isn't the case. Its actually plausible given that the average persons knowledge of steroids is "everything is tren and HGH"
Depends on your state. Mine does it by grams. They conveniently don’t specify whether that includes the weight of the vial or oil. All drug laws are pretty much written so that they can fuck you over if they want to.
Now anecdotally, I have an acquaintance who’s a cop and who also roids. He’s told me that even when they catch guys with AAS they usually just give them a warning and confiscate what they found unless they’re already arresting them for something else. I wouldn’t depend on this to save your ass though because you could always get the one guy that hates roiders or just doesn't like you.
The weight thing reminds me of how they prosecute edibles in a lot of states. I had a friend who made the poor choice of bringing back some packaged edibles after a trip to Colorado. He got pulled over and searched. 1 container of gummies and 1 chocolate bar. 200mg THC total, but they weigh it out in the containers and classify it as concentrate. He was charged with possession of marijuana concentrate >400g first degree felony. Sentencing guidelines are 5-99 years in prison for that amount. He had great lawyers, but still had to do a few years +5 years probation. They make it vague and stupid so that if they want to fuck you it's easy.
This makes sense. Have always thought what copper would bother nicking someone for steroids? Unless you’ve got shit loads and are clearly turning a lot of profit they won’t give a fuck. Recreational drugs on the market these days are fucking up people lives, leading to other much more serious crimes because of the money involved. Steroids are about as low down on your average officers radar as common sense would dictate.
If I was a cop and busted some dude with what looks like personal possession, I’d just be like “hell yeah bro, but going to have to rip this primo and mast off you. Times are tough for us too. Here’s a fix it ticket.”
Sounds more like a bouncer. They love nicking drugs and are all on gear