posted Fri, 02/05/2016 - 08:09
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N2guard.. Worth it or not?
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Hey all!
So I've personally used organ shield by purus labs 20$. Now I'm seeing literally everywhere everyone swearing by n2guard but it's also 80-90$. Is this supposed to be the best thing to take for on cycle especially orals or is it all a big hype. I don't mind spending the money on it but I've seen 2 sides that it's a load of crap or its something you shouldn't live without. Curious on your opinions / experience with it
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Never used it but a good liver protectant is never a bad idea.
Udca is way more effective than tudca, I have proved it to myself with monthly blood tests. Also milk thistle is a must, should be used year around. Turmeric is another one you should use of cycle when you stop the udca. And last , but not least the best liver protection antioxidant is r-ala, read up on it it is also an excellent tool during refeeds.
Honestly most of this other stuff is a waste of money.
And of course lots of water and vitamin C.
That is all great info thanks so much. I wrote down everything you listed haha. Also, I heard there is a certain time it is best to take the organ shields/ milk thistle. I hear you're supposed to take it 4 hours after the anabolic/ whatever you're cycling because it has a chance of reacting with the anabolic and cancelling out some of the effectiveness. Is that also a load of bull ? Lol
No, it's true you should space out anabolic and milk thistle. I ususally take milk thistle 3 times a day, so if use a dbol or anavar preworkout around 5 pm, i take milk thistle 8 am 1pm and 8 pm with my meals. Udca I take before bed.
Ah great, so I've been doing 10mg var 9am then shield / milk thistle at pm the the other 10mg var at 5pm then milk thistle at 9pm. After this cycle I think I'm going to do 20mg a day of tbol. Should I up the dose of milk thistle and Tudca?
20 mg a day is a a pretty big dose, how much tudca are you taking? I would definitely add at least 1000 mg of vit c a day split am/pm, 2000 is better if you can handle without getting the runs. How much water are you drinking?
Ah, see I wasn't sure if 20 mg a day of tbol was too much or not being that the 20mg of var a day didn't do much for me I know it's got a bit more kick so I was thinking of doing just 6 weeks rather than 9 with the var. tudca I do 500 mg a day and vitamin c at least a 1000mg sometimes more.
Preach this to the guys all the time...you are not gaining because your diet is lacking. If you can't gain weight off of AAS you won't gain any on AAS either. They don't make up for a poor diet and you are falling into the trap that so many always do......thinking they need more steroids to grow, when the actual problem is they need more food to grow. Hop into the diet clinic and maybe we can get you sorted out before you fall into the trap.
https://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/diet-clinic-now-live
Thanks! I'm looking into it !
500 mg should be good for your weight..
I can't believe you didn't get good results from 20mg of anavar, most women I know get amazing results from 10mg a day for 8 weeks.
How sure are you that the anavar is legit.
I did a labmax test on my first batch, passed that test as anavar not substituted with anything else. Got a 2nd batch a couple months after from the same source labmax was also good on that batch. Got a 3rd batch from a different I'm currently still running now so far just hard muscle when working out. First 2 cycles were from the same source and I definitely think they were real, I saw some acne on my back / shoulders that went away after muscles were definitely harder veins were showing a lot more. I guess i should say it wasn't the results I was hoping for. I know it won't happen after a couple cycles but my goal basically is to be built somewhat like Dana Linn Bailey. Now I know she must be on a crap load of stuff but I guess you could say I'm looking for something to give me more mass that I'm looking for.
My understanding of lab max tests is that they just show the presence of the hormone, not the concentration.
Honestly if the anavar is good you might want to revaluation your diet and training. A good friend of mine is a competitor who finished very close to 1st in the last word comp (I don't want to put too much info on here) but her physique is beyond Dana Lynn's and she only does 10 mg a day 8 week anavar cycles and 20 mg a day 6 week winstrol cycles, then uses proviron and Nolvadex to harden up pre comp. And she's a beast, puts most men at my gym to shame.
Heavier gear or higher doses you're risking masculinisation.
If your diet and training are on point, maybe look into oral primo, but seriously good var is usually enough.
Oh wow that is so amazing. See all this time I'm hearing you can never get that big with just anavar, I got some tips in another forum on my diet I listed eveything I ate and some guys helped tweak what I should be Intaking so I'm definitely going to correct that, thanks for your help!
some of these cycle assist products are actually pretty good, i used to use the cel cycle assist and it worked a treat, of course its only an extra not an only..............they usually contain good antioxidants and products for your liver, kidney, heart etc etc, as stated below i see your female, you dont have a prostate so look for one that is female friendly, comprehensive stacks can be used in conjunction, so lets say cycle assist which is an all in one product, with milk thistle, nac, liv 52, vitamin e, tudca etc etc water is your best friend, flushing those kidneys and also beetroot juice and super green shakes. ood luck.
Thank you! I have ordered myself some Tudca and will still use my organ shield with it
thanks for all your input !
Water is the best support with orals, and pretty much anything else.
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Haha thank you they've been quite helpful thus far
I just analyzed the ingredient profile for this stuff. Milk thistle and these other additives are rather limited in their scope as a preventive modality. Limiting your use of oral compounds, supplementing with Tudca, (one of the few products proven to minimize cirrhosis and subsequent hepatic enzyme production), and upping your water intake would be ideal.
I'll leave you to do your own research on a Tudca protocol, but make sure you're using a quantity that's consistent with a therapeutic dose. Long term organ health is of maximum importance, given the toxicity associated with some of these drugs.
Don't fall for this shit those sites promote. It's like t-nation writing am article...in the end, the submessage is always Buy this product
Stick to the common things that all of us use ;)
Yup, rep boys pushing that overpriced shit on everyone.
Please....
Ah Tudca, I have heard that name before. I tried googling where to purchase and most sites look fake, would you be able to tell me where j could purchase / order it. Or PM me ? Thanks!!
Some "well known" pro-hormone manufacturers make TUDCA. I bet you could find it on an many online supplement store websites pretty easily.
Amazon has it.
Contains a little bit of everything but not enough of anything. All marketing to make your wallet lighter. Stick with proven TUDCA/UDCA and essentiale forte.