posted Thu, 12/11/2014 - 18:57
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Long Ester for a short run
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I do not understand why everyone says you have to run a long ester on a long cycle. If it is OK to run test P for 6 week why is it not OK to run Test E for the same time? The answer I read is test p kicks in faster and test E is much slower. I get that but on the other hand test p ends much faster than test E. Wouldn't this equal out? Is 6 weeks of test E really a bad cycle? Is there any other reasons out there against this?
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RustyhookerClosed. Op is here just to troll
Tom GunnTroll?
My cycle knowledge is about 1/4 reading, and 3/4 doing. Vets know the answer from doing, other guys know the answer from listening g to vets. You can either listen or do. Doesn't really matter much to me which you do. It's your time your using, just know that IF you don't get the desired results, chalk it up as learning, or what I call paying for my education.
Tom GunnGreat answer. I agree 100% with this. Most informatipn is a repeat of something someone read. I imagine we are all guilty.
90% of repeat information on this site is safe, a lot of it correct for people with 10 or less cycles! If I were new i would follow the repeat information until a later date when I had acquired some of my own cycle knowledge and an understanding to how my body responded. then venture out and start trying some of my own ideas, but to each their own, there are those that need to bang their head, which is fine cause we are all teachers in one way or another.
my 75% experience didnt come from just doing my own thing!
Tom GunnI have read everything about this all the way up to a page that said I had hit the end of the internet. Still have a desire to gain more knowledge.
Lol dude u don't have enough days in your life to read to the end of the internet. If u are convinced then do it but you won't find anyone here that argues with u. Good luck u will need it
Tom Gunnhttp://www.endoftheinternet.com . I have done it. I explained the cycle worked as expected. So well that I would run most esters of test with all compounds.
RustyhookerNice. Then you know it all. Enjoy your cycle
Tom GunnI enjoy all my cycles. As far as know it all I am far from that. Few records that prove I know a little but far from it all.
i don't understand. doesn't anyone speak english anymore
Brofist!...lol
Sigh
Rather all the going back and forth, here's a plan. Run 6 weeks of long ester, pct and take a break then run 6 weeks of shorts and come back and tell us the results.
i think the short esters are more productive. but what about the cost. isn't it more expensive to keep using p. or no ester. i always assumed why long esters are so popular IS due to the low cost. is this incorrect?
Ace VenturaThe issue of cost has never entered my head when choosing esters.
Tom GunnGear is cheap and if the cost of it is a factor then it sure will be hard to afford the food bill. I end my day with beef tenderloin. My food bill could pay for a 1st cycle each day.
Ace VenturaYeah, I bet you end your day with a "beef tenderloin".
Tom Gunnlol
Lmfao
I second that. I don't even consider it. You run the gear that you need, cost be damned..
Tom GunnWell Cat I have but I did taper with prop and it worked as I thought it would. The whole purpose of the post was to find another reason besides the slow start. I like short cycles and I also like rotating esters. I am sure that is all in my head and test is test but I do it.
Boom!
RustyhookerWhy hasn't anyone looked at the op stats while asking or teaching?
Theyre in his profile.
RustyhookerDude, read his theory and all his replies. Why would a 45 year old guy reply like a 21 year old? Most guys at 45 are on or near trt. Things to ponder.....
Ace VenturaIt could very well be the gayness. In my experience, a lot of queers are very immature. This guy has 'flamer' written all over him.
Tom GunnYou got me.
now I understand!
Tom GunnYou must be a blind binder. Do you think everyone is talking about you? Do you think Elvis is alive as well?
RustyhookerAnd your excuse for not researching youngster?
Tom GunnYou have a problem with wanting to start problems versus have conversation. Your confrontational attitude probably comes from being picked on as a child or another tragic event. At your age thing should have been let go. Therapy is cheap and covered on most insurances.
RustyhookerLol. And your faked stats are showing your level of maturity. You came here to be spoon fed. Not discuss.
Tom GunnI am having conversations. You are trying to have a argument. I do not argue with someone just so they can fit in. You feel like a outsider even though you have been here for a while. You have a problem with wanting your voice heard even though you have nothing to say. I would even bet you could look at a few of the most popular people on this site and you will find that they have posted most of the stuff you post. I would not call this a lack of maturity on your part. This is a serious sign that you had problems as a child or you are in a abusive relation ship now. Either way therapy would probably help if you are willing to listen. If it is a abusive relationship you do need to realize that there are many out there like yourself. You are not alone and should not be ashamed of your problem. Abuse is not just physical it can be mental as well and it happens to many men. If you decided to get help it will take time. You will see that it is working when you see your self not settling for things. This is the first sign your self esteem is picking up. Good luck to you in this battle. It is a very hard one.
You may as well run dbol for 4-6 weeks. It almost makes more sense than running a short test e cycle.
Yea, what the hell why not? People are trying to help this guy. Come on.
I was being sarcastic. In all honesty, running a 6 week test e cycle doesn't make much sense to me personally. I look at it like this, you'd run test e for 6 weeks, then start pct 2 weeks after your last pin. I would suggest running prop for 7 1/2 weeks then starting pct 3 days after your last pin. Same amount of time but you would see quicker results. Overall it would be 12 weeks total with pct. Does this sound right?
My bad man, didn't pick up on the sarcasm. Agreed, I think he's just trolling. Here's the +1 back.
It's all good. I'm all about helping out. I just like to have fun when I try and enlighten someone with what little bit if knowledge that I have in regards to this subject. For the record, I'm a HUGE fan of short esters. I'm hoping that's the route this gentleman takes.
Tom GunnDbol could be added.
This is so silly....
The nice thing about Sustanon is the mix of esters...and may be a good option for you if your looking for simplcity.
Tom GunnThis I agree with 100%. and really is the best solution for a short blast but I woudl bet that not many would agree with running it on a short cycle either. The answer would be it has long esters in it and the blood levels will not be stable by the time you stop. Hell there is longer esters than e in there. With a short test E ,c,Sust....cycle the test levels are elevated far after cycle has stopped. Gains continue long after last pin.
Well to be completely serious for a sec.... If your'e going to run E for 6 weeks, then frontload the shit out of it.
That way you can get those levels up quicker brother.
Tom GunnI agree with this as well. Here is why I posted this. You are on TRT for a reason. Its not because you are old its because you either chose to be or you fucked yourself up by going on long cycles. Cutting down the time on would help in recovery of natural production. Now who wants to pin everyday that not twisted? Also rotating compounds is a little more enjoyable as well. Lets throw in the fact that alot of people use places that have bunk AIs and PCTs. Your body would naturally recover better on the short cycle if the PCT was bunk. I really do not see a down fall except the mental part of the cycle continuing after the last pin. The time you are waiting to start PCT really should be around 3 weeks with E. Now we could say front load test E and run for 6 weeks Then Taper with P for 3 and go right into PCT. I think a cycle like this would help recovery and have good gains. Also you get to start another one much faster.
Now you're down with front loading huh? Below you po-po'd prop, due to the quick rise in estrogen, but you're okay in front loading test-e, which will essentially do the same thing.
I know you are concerned with shutdown and the like, but the whole point of doing a cycle is to raise your levels to unnatural levels, for a period of time, to gain significant amounts of muscle. You'll still be shutting down your body for a shorter amount of time, but you won't be making any appreciable muscle gains in that amount of time, especially with a longer ester.
This and just about every other cycle type/length has been tried. The reason why there are "standard" lengths to cycles, is because it's been proven to work and it's usually a pretty good balance between shutdown and recovery.
Tom GunnI am good with Prop and I am good with front loading. I am sure everyone on this thread has not ran a long ester for a short time unless they got sick and in that case probable did not eat correct or go to the gym. I am saying it will work and I do not see the difference in prop and E on a short cycle. Short cycle are done all the time but everyone puts down the long ester. My question was other than the slow start of the long ester is there another reason for not running long esters for a short time. The ester part only slows down the speed of the compounds water solubility.Like a time release pill. You could keep the same test levels with E as you could with p for the same time frame as long as you dosed correctly. The only difference would be P would start and end faster and E would start and end slower.
The part you don't seem to be grasping is the slow ramp up with test e versus p, but more important than the ramp up is the ramp down time (in your case) the test e takes extra weeks to clear out versus three days with p. So if it is truly a short cycle your interested in running stick with shorts and do it right.
Tom GunnI really guess you can not understand without a picture. Also It takes E way longer than a week to clear than P. I think you think that the half life of a compound means it is out of your system. Which is false.
I guess you already have all the answers. Nobody here is cosigning with you so go do what you will. I promise you I will not be concerned for you at all.