Lesser of two evils...
I just got an order from a source last week that then shut down to restock (test e/tren e 400 and deca 400) and I know they are slow acting. I'm 32, 6'2 and 240 at about 18% bf from winter weight. I have naturally gotten my bench to 365 with just a high protein diet and have a solid muscle base. But I was a heroin addict for 2 years and been cleaning up my act for the last year which I mention because even though I want to be wise about my cycle, I'm not into moderation. I've injected much worse in my body. I work as a framer so I'm lifting all day long and already dropping fat. Here's my question. As a beginner I need a bit of hand holding. I don't know what the fuck I'm doing and the weeks of research I've put in are just confusing me more. I have $ but I want to invest wisely. This week I've frontloaded 700 mg of test/tren and I'm not sure what else I need. Hgh? Ifl 3 or whatever that peptide is. Dbol? Can someone help design a cycle for me and I'll buy it? So far I just feel shitty with less energy. I'm not too worried about sides. Dumped my gf. Live alone. Very mellow person as is. But I'd love to hit the job and gym feeling like I'm 18 again. So if I need t3 or albuterol... Whatever. I just need a road map. Thanks in advance!!
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I see what you have have in mind (sounds good doesn't it?). With that being said slow down a bit and read a bit more we all want to see you succeed my man. Got some heavy hitters with solid advice down below. Come back with something simpler adjust that diet and post it back up and I can assure you the right people will steer you on the right path broski. ....good luck!
I look forward to reading it. All of this has changed my impression of cycles and it's a bummer to realize that all of the information I've been given over the last few years from lifting buddies was reckless at the very least. Dangerously taken lightly.
Valid point.
No, I actually don't think most people should use gear. I could write a book on what I think he should do with his life. Funny thing is this site is full of 25 year olds bragging about night sweats and boners from tren.
People dont understand that until you naturally own mature muscle, gear will only give you temporary results, regardless of age.
no bullshit, but I would hit creatine and protein. I cannot see having any syringe in my life after using them for drug addiction in the past. Seems like a recipe for relapse.
I'm on board with what you're saying and fortunately I haven't had any struggle with associating steroid pins and heroin needles. Last time I relapsed it stopped my heart and (fortunately) ruined it for me. I've obviously given the impression that I have some death wish. Not true. I've given this a lot of thought. The moment it starts to slide me back toward old habits I'm out. Frankly I don't know anymore if I even want to start over with test c. I'm not a fan of this feeling like I was kicked in the ass cheek by a Clydesdale.
Congrats on getting off dope.
For a first cycle I would only do test-e or test-c. You could kick it off with something like dbol for the first 3 weeks while you wait for the test to kick in, but certainly not necessary.
Ps, tren is pretty hardcore in my opinion.
Jesus Christ... i haven't been active on the forums much cause nobody wants to hear from 23 yr olds, but come on man!! when you put these chemicals into your body why dont you think about how it will affect you in the long run?! im on cycle and getting off gear earlier then planned, because sides just build up the longer im on. im just talking hairloss, sweats and stale gains... why the casual attitude about all those drugs? tren, t3, and abuterol.... you better learn what moderation is you fuck. those arent good drugs to toy around with either.
what are knocking twenty something's for .. you got something intelligent to say then don't be shy about saying it ..
I see your natural inclination for while you are feeling bad is to throw more shit at it ... adding to the mess compounding it and making it even worse.
The first question you need to sit down and ask yourself is what are you trying to accomplish running a cycle?
Then you adjust your DIET.. because all you need for a basic just starting out cycle is Test e/cyp ... that's it .. along with an AI for during cycle and PCT items for after
here is a good place to start
https://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
That's my biggest issue is avoiding old addict tendencies of "just take more until it works." I joined the group and have been reading those posts. If you have a sec please pm me so I can discuss it with a new source. As far as what I want to accomplish... I have to be honest, my mindset has been all wrong. I'm the only guy in my group who never juiced. I've been able to out lift many of them. I have been hearing for years, "holy shit bro if you went on a cycle you'd be a beast!" So curiosity has been an undeniable factor. But I really don't have a desire to gain a ton. I feel plenty big. But the last time I cut naturally I dropped to 210 pounds with very prominent abs last summer. So, if I just watch the mirror I'm not overly focused on the scale. If I come out at 235 with the extra weight on my chest and shoulders instead of midsection, that would be great. I've made a large investment in supplements and proteins. My biggest natural gains were on 250 to 300 grams a day. Aside from that I'm trying to keep it clean and basic. Oatmeal, shakes, brown rice, chicken fish and veggies.
You admit you don't know what the fuck you are doing and you have already injected test/tren with absolutely no plan. WTF! You are not some stupid 20 yr old. Stop injecting shit now. You have no clue what you are doing so research on here and come back with a plan before you really screw yourself up. You are trainwreck waiting to happen right now and it will happen. You are destined to fail without a plan so do your research. If you can't find an answer on this site after researching then ask. No one is going to hold your hand here but if you show some effort on your part and are will to learn and take criticism then you will have a successful cycle and you will be able to get yourself out of this trainwreck.
Ugh... So many things wrong with this post.. It almost sounds like you're trying to kill yourself TBH. I understand you think steroids are a lesser evil but the questions you're asking, the way you're asking them and your care free attitude about any possible sides is very immature and over the line. You're making your self sound like a "steroid junkie" attitudes like that is what gives AAS a bad wrap. People like you thinking they're invincible are usually the people you see die of a heart attack or die of ccerosis of the liver. The community here believes in a healty standard of living. Not to pump as much drugs into ourselves as possible and hope we don't die. It sounds like you haven't done any research because your first cycle should NEVER have tren in it NEVER. Second you say you'll take anything with it anadrol (good way to mess up your liver with tren) also running deca and tren (2 19 nors) = VERY BAD! This is how your 1st cycle should look
Week 1 front load 1000 mg test c
Week 2-12 500 mg test c
Prop taper for a week then start your pct (post cycle therapy) I'm guessing you didn't research that though...
clomid
Nova
Arimdex
You'll also need. Why don't you start at the bottom of the ladder and learn how to walk up it before you try to run up it?
I appreciate that. I may have misspoken with my initial tone in the sense that I don't care. I absolutely do. I don't want to be reckless. It's a little daunting on here with the people who want to hit the ground running and I shouldn't say that sides don't matter. I should have just emphasized that I realize there may be some bad with the good. So Test C or Test E to start over? Letro on hand for gyno flares?
Test c or e
Arimidex
Clomid
nova
Now it's up to you to do the rest of the research man.. I can't hold your hand for you. I'm glad you changed your tone and attitude.
Research research research... And stop sticking yourself with tren dude!! Seriously.
Very good advice and exactly what I was hoping for/ afraid of! I just re-read the post about first cycle safety and I'm very glad I spoke up early and showed my naïveté before reaping too many problems. You guys were no-bull-shit straight to the point and I needed that. I better walk before I run. Or maybe crawl to begin with. So I'm putting all of this away while I start from scratch. Last question... will the initial dose of test/tren hit me like a freight train in a few weeks?
Early recovery can be very over whelming , addicts generaly want what they want , and yesterday , your off to a great start +1 from me , for taking advice and constructive criticism and using it to your advantage . How do I know I have 8years recovery :)opiates , 20 years of morphine , percocets diduidid , smack , work related accidents , so I know how your feeling , a d your on your way , you put your way of thinking aside , listened to advice humbled yourself , and applying the advice .you ever feel over whelmed , and need some one to shout at , shoot me a pm.
You're a stud, man. Thanks. Nice to also hear from someone who understands the mentality you have to battle. I'm working my ass off and grateful every week on payday that I can sit with cash in my pocket and not want to call a dealer. But boredom is a killer so I'm directing my focus here. I'm not a young skinny kid. I'm old enough to understand the risk/ reward. I just need to understand the line between enjoying benefits as a beginner from minimal doses and the general attitude of "once I had a few cycles under my belt I had the balls to do it for real!" Which, I now understand is bullshit. Like the post I just read about not killing a fly with a hand grenade. Anyway, bravo to you for your 8 years clean. That shits a nightmare to escape from!
It comes down to consequences , me I use , Im back in , with noone nothing , I was out of aces , life bit , or try to do something out here .. well my actions today have tons of consequences , all posite , oh yes if your like me and herd consequence , it meant something negative , wrong , there are.positive like I said I sent you a fr , I dont want to tie the forum up with recovery hollor at me , pege and.proud
I gave you a + because you're actually getting it now. Just keep researching man knowlage is power with this shit. Now also start researching some diet and nutritional advice. It's a simple Google search away.
And you should be fine just don't pin anything else man until you're actually ready.
Thanks again. You guys saved my ass. Now if I could get the damn thumbs up icons to work on my phone...
Just spend a few hours reading through our forums bro, one nights reading on here is worth more than a wasted month crawling through all the other shit on the net.
+3 from me....................... cos i can lol
Believe me... I'm getting it now. It may not seem like it but all I've done for the last few weeks is read, but unfortunately from too many contradicting sources. I'm really pissed now at the people who raved about tren as a "miracle drug" if you just had the balls to face the sides. You can't "dare" an addict to try something. Hence my initial post. Very reassuring to see knowledge and wisdom here from people who tell me "you're being fucking retarded and you're gonna kill yourself" rather than guys at the gym who have the "just go for it" mentality. Lots of bad info out there. Thanks again for all the help.
First off, you kind of already done goofed with the test/tren combo. Tren is the harshest steroid out there, so it is not in any way a beginner cycle. From what I understand you've only gotten a single pin in correct?
Why don't you order plain test e and run it at 500mg/wk. This is an ideal first cycle for beginners because you can figure out how your body reacts to the compounds. Right now you have no idea what is causing what reaction to your body. From the looks of it, you have no AI, no prolactin control, and no PCT. In other words, you're swimming up shits creek without a paddle.
Are you willing to wait until you have the proper cycle put together before injection again?
That's exactly why I'm here. Thank you! Yes, just the one after reading about frontloading. Some research tells me deca with tren/test is a waste. I already planned on getting in an order this week to have AI and PCT on hand but my understanding was that I'd be waiting 3 to 6 weeks to feel anything from ethenate anyway. Of course I'm willing to wait and start over to do it right.