Is this right for me?
Good morning all,
I recently spoke to someone about starting a new cycle. I have run several test Cyp cycles, I love the stuff. Being 42 years old and late to the game I have been very happy with the positive effects. But like everyone else now I want more! I feel like I have hit a wall with a test only cycle. They suggested using Tren E along side the Test Cyp with Arimidex for sides... From what I have read Tren can be a bitch for some people. However I also understand "no pain no gain" "no risk no reward" ect... now I am no spring chicken! I'm 42 years old 180lbs my sex life is very important to me... And my wife. Lol. I'm already a bit of an asshole and I usually sleep like shit. That being said the sides are a bit of a concern for me. Not looking to get flamed here, just looking for a little guidance from folks with more experience then me. Thank you in advance for all of your quality information
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Thank you so much guys! You are all right. I love the Test! It has been the fountain of youth for me. But you know how it is... once you get a taste you want more, more, more. If this is so great, if I ad this it will be so much better. I was looking at Test as my gateway drug so to speak. Diet could use some work. I recently quit drinking also. Looking back on my question, as well as conversations I have had with other people, I see I have turned into "that guy" not proud but at least I caught it, and can admit it. You that guy that wants all the gains with little to no effort? That Facebook ad "Take this pill, eat whatever, and magically get the body you always wanted... yeah that's me at this moment. I know I know. Sucker! Please note. I would never buy those pills! I am not a complete idiot. I just have heard about the amazing miricals of Tren, then it was recommended by a source so... I really want to thank you all for talking me back to reality. I have decided, because of the comments from Y'all it's time I get my diet in check, increase my test a bit and focus on more intense gym time. Again. Thank you all. You are the reason I joined this board. I appreciate the no flaming of the newbie on this post.
Good to hear.
Beware of trap number two, working out too hard and not letting your body rebuild.
Absolutely, advancements are only made when training incorporates recovery. +1
, please. .... im not going to elabotate because i feel its a horrible idea. .. if anyone hits a wall with test , they are either over using. , not using properly , or the problem and yes the problem.i have found is generally diet , and training. .. im only in this 4 years but test still works for me and im a fool that ran everything. ... i have friends of mine local gym rats that been in this 20+ years. and test works well for them. .... theres something else wrong here. ..
now thats all just my opion. ..
actually i just seen shiva4 comment and seems we have the same concept as of something else being wrong.
AnonHitting a wall is merely a figure of speech to indicate how I feel, not nessesarily a fact backed by bloods. My cycles have always been test Cyp or test E only, and have been 500mg a week pinning 250mg every 3 days. I have reached a point to where I am 255lb in the morning, 52 1/2" chest, 22" arms, 34" waist, and a 7" penis on a good day. 505lb 1R bench, Ive been carrying these measurements for a good 12 months but strength continues to grow, and the goal is to get bigger and stronger, instead of getting all crazy with the AAS I have decided to change my lifting routines and eating habbits. But one question I am at now is when is it time to stop growing? Can growing to much impact you in a negative way? I am already experiencing discomfort in more ways than one and circulation is my main issue.
ok thats great. ,
but im speaking to jakedmc. he wants to add tren e , and its a horrible idea ..(he posted ) and the majority of when someone hits a wall , you get the question above , and usually someone wants to add more juice .
thats great you dont , and so educated to know better. .
RustyhookerBoom!!! Food and gym is so overlooked. How many dudes post their routine and thats merely a warmup. Lol
+2
You are stating many factors that indicate tren is a bad idea. Your diet needs work is my guess. 180 is light for running many cycles. You also realize, the chance of getting shutting down permanently increases exponentially at your age too, right? 19 nor's are very hard to bounce back from.
Your attitude is comparable to not being able to hunt an animal with a riffle so you want to resort to a ak47. It's not necesary. hone in your skills and strategy, that being diet. Test is king and if you "hit a wall" at 180 lbs, then something is off and it's not the drugs.
The saying you can't out train a bad diet is the same concept as you can't grow with drugs ig your diet and all components aren't in line.
AnonI Agree with the below, I too hit a wall and have always ran test cycles only. I switched up my eating habits and for me that means I started to force feed myself, setting alarms for 230a to wake up and eat peanutbutter, I introduced the viking mass shake to my diet and now while cycling, I take an oral also which has made me make noticable gains that are getting me closer to my goals.
Keep on keepin on as long as you are seeing gains. When that stops focus and recheck your diet. I myself, have been caught off guard by the "that was then, this is now" effect and saw continued growth after a change in diet that reflected my new "reality"..
There is also plenty you can do to tweak your cycle without adding extreme compounds. Frontloading, orals, length, of cycle, moderate changes in dosage, etc..
Respectfully; why are you worrying about sides (from what can be an extremely harsh compound) when you are already an asshole? Aren't you worried about stopping being an asshole?
You are very light at 180, 5 7' - like, average light, that is
Whats your bf%
What are your goals?
Whats your current diet and training program like?
If you have ran several cycles and have hit a wall at 180lbs, then adding tren in surely isn't going to get you over that wall. You need to research more about diet. That is the only thing that will get you over that wall. No drugs will make up for a poor diet. They can't build something from nothing. You need to learn how to eat so you can provide the drugs what they need to build the mass you are after.
Arimidex for test. Caber for Tren. But why do you want it? Goals? BF%? How much and often do you eat? If you have trouble sleeping as it is then Tren is probably not for you.
Bad advice bro, you don't need caber for tren
How do you counter the prolactin?
It's all about Oest on Tren
hang on, let me get a link that explains a little better than I can right now...
I have read the articles that talk about estrogen being the source of puffy nips while on tren, but it does not explain how guys are lactating on tren. Lactation is caused by prolactin.
Ok, I cannot find the study I wanted to share, but if you have a read of the abstract here: https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00210-016-1310-y
this is a study in rats
this will apply to pretty much all mammals
now, down in the bibliography there are several links to other studies on humans, more so women than men of course, it references pregnanacy, menopausal pre/post, and general effects
While there are other causes of a rise in prolactin levels (perhaps you Tren ain't tren?!), on Tren, Deca etc. it is going to be caused by mismanagement of Estro
Puffy nips = gyno gland growing and definitely caused by Estro - again hormone management is needed here too
I will give you kudos in the research and I also agree that mismanagement of estro on a tren cycle is to blame for a lot of problems. There also may be a correlation of what AI is being used as well. Maybe aromasin should be used or letro instead of adex for high tren use? Since adex will suppress I think the need to take higher amounts to combat that is why. People do .25 eod or .5 e2d when it might need more.
A full 25mg of aromasin a day split in 2 doses might suppress any estro related issue with tren. Now I got some research to do.
Cheers buddy, greetings from Dublin.
I think you might have hit on something there, as I know there are definitely AI's that reduce progestin - no idea what they are now, and dont think its the usual we would talk about...
There is something in that, definitely worthy of a read or two. I like the split dose idea also on aromasin (if its plasma half life is less than 24 hours then this would probably be a massive benefit to Tren users!)
For example when on tren and you do a blood test it shows e2 levels are through the roof so you have no idea if your AI is even working or not. Maybe the high level is somewhat correct. This will be fun trying to find out.
May very well be down to timing.
Would not be uncommon for E2 to rebound fast
How would you explain the rebound if the choice of ai was aromisin????
Not running tren. The guys I know running it are also running AIs plus the Caber. It is possible the combo of the Tren and the estradiol leads to the high prolactin. So, it would be advisable to keep the Caber on hand in case the AI is not enough.
Yep and I am sure they think they need it
So I would say, you are missing the point. I know what you mean, I can see your logic, but it is flawed
Manage estrogen properly and it simply wont be an issue, know what I mean?
I actually do follow your logic, and even think you are right. ' nuff said. +1
Posted this below, meant to put it here!
I hope you didnt think I was saying Caber just isnt good for managing prolactin - If I came across that way, well I certainly didnt mean to buddy. It is abolutely is and on reflection, is it good to have it on hand in case of an emergency? Well of course it would be. You're right.
Cheers fella
And you think this is not good advice?
Sometimes easier said than done.
I don't think your point is invalid or wrong, but what do you do after the fact? Caber has helped me get quickly back when labido and performance dropped. At my age, there aren't a lot of noticeable estro sides without getting constant blood tests.
You both appear to be arguing from different stages. Your point; keeping estro in check could/would help with keeping prolactin in control. DragonDog's point; after the damage has been done, when on Tren, caber is a good go to because high levels of prolactin is apt to be a bigger problem than the estro.
I might be wrong, but that's my take away thus far.
"and you think this is not good advice?"
hmmmm... perhaps worded wrongly, let me put it this way - I think minimum effective dose is the only way. I think that when people start building cycles, ask for advice (which is great of course, still do that myself always will) and others chime in with you need x compound, you need y compound and so on, all of a sudden you end up with a shopping list.
Is it a good situation to have caber in the meds press in case of an emergency? Yes I think you could say it is! But is it better (minimum effective dose) to manage things the right way initially, well definitely thats the better way to go about it.
"Sometimes easier said than done."
Oh god yeah, totally. When it goes wrong it can be a nightmare.
Yes I see what you're saying about the different stages. I think my only point is really about nipping things in the bud.
@DragonDog - I hope you didnt think I was saying Caber just isnt good for managing prolactin - If I came across that way, well I certainly didnt mean to buddy
I learned from this thread. You were on the right track with your advice to stop it with an AI before needing the Caber. Respect.
Well, to my own detriment.... I will say to you.....!!!!..... there is another thread where I am being slaughtered for saying similar.... and by some solid lads who know their stuff. It's the dbol thread in the cycles forum
so before you high five me, check their opinions and comments out, or ask them their opinions, because, sure who the hell am I, right ?! ?! (just another Bro ;-P )
Anyways, you might get extra info from those lads there to make for a more balanced opinion
prolactin goes up when Oest is not controlled by an ai
puffy nips is actually caused by gyno gland growing under the nip
bear with me...