+ 1 Insulin needles, the power washer.
While pinning Prop i noticed something interesting. I always followed the anti PIP procedure prior to injecting (warm up the oil etc) and never got any pip when I injected in the gluts. However every time I pinned my quads or shoulder I would get massive pip for days. I attributed said PIP to virgin muscle or under heating the oil or gad knows what.
The difference always seemed to be that when I pinned the gluts I used a 23g needle and when I pinned the quads/shoulder, i used an insulin needle.
The problem with insulin needles is that you get the power washer effect. Have you ever taken a power washer put it real close to concrete and let it rip? Oils are thick and insulin needles very small. So the oil comes out spraying with a lot of force. It usually ends up traumatizing the muscle and hurting for days, specially with virgin muscle.
So don't be so quick to blame the oil mix, muscle or pip. Solving the pip could be just as easy as using a bigger needle and injecting nice and slow.
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AnonHmm Ive never used an insulin needle to inject oil . I was going to try it, but I'll go real slow then
If your bf is low, definitely try it, compared to a 23g or a 25g, don't feel the pin at all! Pinch your skin a bit and hold while inserting the needle. You'll be wondering if it actually went in, you didn't feel a thing
25G, slow and steady!
25G needle is my all time favorite for test just because it prevents me from dumping it all in a site in 10 seconds like I would do with a 23G and it's a very tolerable pinch of pain. With the 25 I pin slow and consistent over a nice 20-30 second period with no problems.
Everyone is different. I get pip from test e no matter what I do. Zero pip from 1-test. Others get the complete opposite. I don't understand why you would slin pins for IM injections. But I get what you are trying to say I guess.
You're right everyone is different. A lot of folk with very low body fat use insulin needles because you don't feel the needle at all going in, specially compared to a heavier gauge like a 23.
I use 25g and rarely get PIP. Always warm the oil, push slow and steady without wiggling all around. Once I'm done I massage the area and squat a few times(if I inject quads,glutes) throughout a couple hours after injection.
Srsly bro? you squat?, I find that if I squat or put pressure on it in any way it makes it worse for me. Like the guy said, everyone is different
Never noticed this, maybe a slight amount of soreness for a day but honestly I never got much pip no matter how fast/slow i inject and if its a 23G regular or 29G slin pin. One things for sure, the deeper the better. If you have too much fat and use a slin pin you could not even be hitting the muscle. That will cause pain.
Good info! Thanks brother!
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