+ 2 I'm all F'd up. Need opinions Please!!!
Sorry for the recent posts that sound like I'm complaining but I'm 100% noticing that as this test has kicked in full steam, I'm going through changes what seems like a daily basis so I'm just trying to sort it all out. The only way to do that is to research and read. So, here is the deal.
Cycle: 500 mg Test E (250 X 2)
AI: Adex .25 E3D
Thursday will be the start of Week 7
Some may have seen my post about weight loss. I gained about 10 lbs over 5 1/2 weeks. Then over the last week I dropped a lb. Ok fine. Problem is looking back since about last thursday or friday, I feel fatter. lol. I am def. constipated as hell right now. Sorry but the term rabbit shit comes to mind. Dropping marbles. I have been pretty regular up till now. Diet hasn't changed, if anything, I'm eating more. (edit: I just realized I've been drinking more milk than normal). I feel that full belly feeling. I have some extra blubber on my sides which wasn't there a week ago. So either I'm getting fatter or I'm holding a ton of water and ummm...I'm full of crap.
Second issue is the past few days I've been irritated as shit. Every little thing annoys me. I have little patience. Something has changed though, I have not had coffee in a few days so I'm thinking it may be related to that but I don't really know. I cut it out for no reason really. Just wanted to see how I would feel. I normally only had 1 cup per day in the morning. My aggitation lately, comes much later in the day.
My strength has been climbing every day so I have zero complaints in that department
My libido seems to have dipped a bit. I was ready to go at the wind blowing and now, ehhh....wood has been less frequent also
One last disclaimer: My wife's grandmother passed away over the weekend so there is an added stress of worrying about her. Services are today, this is her first loss of a family member she was close to. She has been doing well so far but once she see's her grandmother the gates are going to open and it will hit her like a ton of bricks. I'm speaking from experience there... I feel like I'm ok, but I can't help but wonder if this is a subconcious worry that is affecting me in some way.
So, there is alot going on within me right now and I'm just trying to sort it out. I plan on getting bloods taken Friday and it can't come soon enough. I will absolutely post the results and follow up then but for now I would love to hear some vets opinions on what may be going on. I'm sure one or more of you have been in this very same situation at one point in your previous cycles.
I've said it before and I'll say it again. For any newb that is looking for a stacked first cycle. Don't do it. It's hard enough trying to decipher what your body is trying to tell you with Test-E only. I could probably jump off a bridge trying to decipher multiple compounds!!!
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scootertrampCoffee is a natural laxitive and if you stop taking it abruptly, yes you will get constipated. I drink a full pot daily and have tried the cold turkey which then ends up as bloated turdburgler.
Milk, milk will cause bloating as well in your gut. Especially if you went from a couple glasses a day to chugging it. Many people can't digest it properly--lactose is the culprit.
Feeling fat. Yes, you're full of shit and lactose bloated. Drop down on the milk, have some espresso or take a laxitive. Power duke buddy.
Bloods, awesome! It eill dial you in correctly. Stress kills boners but possibly now that your fully androgen pumped, your estro is high. Creaky joints? Bloods will make you scientificly proven
GO POOP
I def. went from barely any milk to a bunch to try to fill in some extra calories/protien.
I did go poop but there is no way I've totally let go of it. lol. This is just wrong to even say but on a scale of 1 to 10. I probably unloaded a 3 or 4. I still have 7 to go.
tread-mI just threw up...IN MY PAAAAANTS!
Thats normal right?... i do that after ive lit a fart up.... mainly at parties lol...lol
Sharting is def. normal, for the abnormal!
Normal and expected when you have a nasty stomach bug. LOL. Actually, I'd kinda welcome it right about now. lmao
CleyonThat was a fun party!
scootertrampHahahaha!! Another list of side effects.
Ok a lot to respond to so will try to hit all points. I am sleeping normal. I'm a shitty sleeper in general I average about 6 hours. Always have. I do fine with it though.. Bp has been normal for me. Viking and irish make good points and honestly I thought about going that approach early on because I wasn't having any sides. I hope what I'm feeling is mental but the bloating and constipation certainly isn't lol. I think at this point I'd rather not change up my plan. Who knows maybe my labs will come back with low estro and prove its mental.
I may be way off here but isn't part of the reason for Ai to keep e2 levels down regardless if you have symptoms or not. I thought. Too much or too little could toy with the test levels or impact them. So if I didn't have symptoms but my estro was too high is that not a bad thing? My understanding was to try to keep a hormonal balance between the two. Either way I honestly chose to do an Ai because of the majority. I certainly respect viking and irish knowledge enough to consider going that route for my next cycle. Worse case is I end up back on the ai . Its worth a shot. Just not for this one..as of now (pre lab results)
Now Viking I'm not high strung you asshole I resent that ..lol... what i meant to say was Im more anal than anything. I like to know everything before it happens lol. I need me a crystal ball. I'm borderline OCD...1 2 3 1 2 3...
Ed..I don't even know what to say lmao..always good for a laugh for sure.
tread-mRight on right on. I stand with Irish beow me in that bloods tell all. I don't believe in "wait for symptoms" really so I do like your thoughts. You can stay on your bp through your life or wait for type 2 diabetes and then deal with it. Or stay on your food intake or wait for the signs of anal prolapse and scrotal shrinkage. I don't even know what that means...anyway, yes, why wait for problems when the y can be prevented as you seem to understand and of coure "ROCK THE BLOODS 2013" BABY!!!!!
Anal prolapse is pretty uncomfortable.... I've heard.
lmao... i dont resent being called an asshole bro..... im worse than that lol
I hope you get something from this thread.. its been a busy little hour lol.... keep learning bro its the way forwards.
AnonHow have you been sleeping ?
With my eyes closed... Depending on the level of my paranoia that day.
Anoncant you just keep one eye open ?
I bring up sleep because of a couple of reasons, one is a disruption in sleep could indicate a hormone imbalance and two is that not enough quality sleep could also contribute to an imbalance.
OK im gonna say it..... drop the AI altogether and i BET MONEY you feel better in a matter of days.
Also i agree this is mostly mental i have noticed you are a highly strung charachter from your first posts pre/cycle..... but on the upside i am glad you are understanding the one compound at once approach.
Before anybody comes screaming at me about my AI approach.. let me tell you i have been "ON" for a year solid and used nothing but a little proviron here and there IMO running AI constantly throughout any cycle is totally the the wrong to go..... this is were self-experimentation takes its course for all of us to find our own best balance.... FUCK THIS OFF THE SHELF APPROACH im sick of reading it.
See the problem here is the OP thinks he is running ONE compound but the FACT is hes running TWO..... TEST and ADEX.... both need to be learned ...... ON HAND should be the protocol for ANY ancillarie compound and used if NEEDED... not to run alongside the PRIMARY compound i.e test in this scenario.
Could he run nolva instead to help with the gyno Vike?
YEP... thats the compound i always advise for first time users bro.... again always ON HAND to be engadged ONLY if itchy nips or water starts to become a problem.
Back in the day nolva was the corner stone of every PCT protocol and never let any of us down... so to this day i swear by it brother.... safe and very effective.
GearofWarAmen to that advice. I'm not big on estro control because I never need the shit typically. I've only had symptoms of elevated E2 once with a good amount of water retention in my ankles and feet. Took ONE cap of Aromasin that night. Gone in the morning, never to return. I do use Provi too, but I'm fortunate to not be prone to gyno. I've also used up to a gram of Test-E and Cyp a week along with 300mg Deca/week and no E2 issues to report. Guess I'm just a fucking freak. I don't ever get "itchy nips" either. I try not to add compounds unless I'm absolutely sure I need it.
LOL.. yeah good stuff bro.. we must be the lucky bastards in this outfit hey!
FREAK IS GOOD IN MY WORLD LOL
AnonViking, would you say that age can be a factor in determining how much AI a person needs ?
Not sure about age bro but definatly to do with the choice of compounds and how they effect the individual i.e i cannot run d/bol or deca without heavy AI... But anything else even high dose tren i can get away with the bare minimum.
I mentioned on a different thread the other day may be because i run near 100% sodium free 365 may make a big difference... not sure bro its just i found my slot and i stick with it.
AnonOk. I question the age thing because of what they say about natty test and estro in men over 35. So I figured theres probly a difference between the way a 25yr old processes estro and a 45 yr old.
Just like body fat seems to be a factor
Lol. I don't know brother. I've ran cycles with and without A.I.'s and definately thought a slight A.I. was a huge help. I ran Aromasin 6.25 mg everyday from start to finish. (I think you told me to do that., it was either you or Tread.)
You are able to do it without it because you are a badass and fricken immortal. Most of us are just big pussies and can't handle the demasculizing effects of Estrogen.
Me myself, I hate crying during a movie.
However, if I had to chose between Vikings advice or my Advice, I'd go Viking all day everyday. He's forgotten more about juice than I'll ever know.
Hahahah.. that would be tread i dont even know what 6.25mg looks like lol...... what im getting at with the OP is that this is a FIRST CYCLE.. the AI potententially could create more problems that he doesnt understand than the TEST E............ something we never read on eroids is how different AI and PCT items effect people and to combat such effects.... food for thought! would make a damn good debateable post that.
tread-mI hink you took me to the 1000 point prom brother, I fair I take you this time. Welcome, I love you brother!
LOL... just noticed that 1000 ... unbelievable it had to be you brother!.... not been on the board due to EBC commitmants and then BOOOOM!... big T turns up and puts me into 1000 club which now entitles me to daily free sex with the eroids office lady of choice..... Hmmm now who should i choose today???? the one with the big silicone hooters me thinks lmfao!!!.................. thankyou brother, blood till the end man
tread-mYou take one end of the desk I got the other brother....SHARSIES!
tread-mYou better get to reading my brotuer, my approach is "we are all different at and start by trying "x". I do agree some won't need it though and appreciate that thought but even if an estrpo of 100 does not give you any "known trouble now" it can catch up with you if you do that over and oever in your life. Let's set shbg and test availability and all that aside. The long term effect as a rule is someone going through their life over and over and over with high bp (cuz that's what's wrong in part with ole cuz here and "irritable"). That is predisposition to many other problems over time including heart valve problems in the long haul as you see many bb'ers have as they age and go to retire. Most think the gear cause it , many think the lifting heavy weight actually puts a weird pump strain on the valve duting workouts, I think its simple bp over tim in flucuation. Heart surgery i s a very common thing for aging bb'ers as the near that 60 mark and quite often its valve issues but I really do think its improper roll on cycles for yrs. Problem is, most of these kids "including me" never do their serious homewrok and get high bp on cycles and just think its "cuz I'm a yoked baddasssss mutha fucka baby" when in reality it "cuz yo not drinking enough water and eatin right mutha fucka!" Lmaooo....liek this dude, increase fiber with proper veggies maybe add a lil flax, drink 1.5 gal water ed, good cario and picture perfect diet and he's right as rain with that lil bit of AI. His blaoting and such is not knowing what he is doing not that little bit of AI brother. In fact, he pulls that AI today not taking care of business to begin with and his problem just got worse. I do totally agree that the cookie cutter thing is not the way to go and you've heard be not only use the term "roadmap" with bloods, brother I coined that phrase. Peac and love baby long live Butch&Sundance!
Just a quick note. I am doing cardio at least 3 times a week. Usually more. I have borderline high BP. Genetically cursed but to be honest its dropped a couple points since adding in apple cider vinegar which I was pleased with. Ky doc so far is not concerned. I track my bp every day and its been consistant. Its something I'm very concerned with due to famiky history so I always keep an eye on it no matter what..cycle or not.
tread-mGet that cardio up to 5or 6 times a week, drink decaff and 1.5 gal water ed and along with a good diet high in fiber you'll ofset the clogged azzzz with all that protein you intake. Eat a serving ov veggies with 4 or 5 of your meals too brother. This high proetein lefestyle would clogg a rhino's ass if the fiber is not right.
OH YEAH BABY!!!... now im happy!.. this is like the old days when we bring it all to the table and have an advice feast.... i didnt go down the diet route here bro i just blasted in with some impact to get some ears to stand up which dont seem to be happening very often lately around here.... and yes you are right we have a ton more issues to deal with with our OP here but first we gotta grab his attention and pull his head outa his ass.... the post title tells me that without further input! "ROADMAP" is definate if he wants to progress or carry on witin this lifestyle but i dont even think hes half way into run one just yet and we got all sorts of problems popping up... "maybe" this is just not for him!!!!
tread-mYeah and if you can't shit man do like Butch and Sundance and go old school. You get in that bathroom, sit backwards on the toilet so you have a little table and can keep eating, then you ride the storm till that corn muffin is born!!! That's what up old school baby, we get it done these punks just stand around whining all ass puckered and constipated!
This is def for me. I'm gonna do whatever I have to so I'm healthy and making progress. I honestly don't have time right now due to the craziness of todah but you def have my atttention I will try and respond ti everything about anything. I want to succeed. Failure is not an option. I have a lot to learn....a lot! In all aspects. Training diet not causing absess..you name it I'm only scratching the surface. Thats why I'm here. Thats why I ask dumb questions because when it comes to this I am dumb lol
Dammit bro. I told you not to be injecting aspiration air bubbles. Now you are all "F'd up"! You are probably gay now. I warned you about that shit but you still didn't listen. Hopefully your weiner wont fall off. Thats likely next.
I would imagine that the irritability is probably a slight increase in blood pressure, the bloat and low libido is probably from high estro, and the being a big pussy is probably a genetic thing.
take a look at your salt intake, also the lack of caffeine may add a little to the water retention. Up your aromasin dose for a couple of days and see what that does. (Oh wait, you use Adex, which in my opinion sucks. Lol) Pay attention to how you feel, and definately adjust your A.I. after your bloods are run. +1 for going that route. The bloods will tell you everything. Post them and let the vets look at them. Some of this shit could be mental. You are going through a little with the death in the family, and the irritibility could just be from the lack of caffeine. I know when I quit it I felt kind of shitty myself.
Are you taking any medications??
no
Ok i was just asking bcuz otc or prescription pain meds can constipate you jus covering all bases bro with that being ruled out i agree with these fellas sounds like estro issues :(
Anonas for the constipation, it's most likely diet. increase your fiber and water content. if you're eating lots of protein (1.5g/lb or more), a lot of the water you take in will be used to help process out the excess nitrogen biproducts of protein metabolism. so, up the water intake to make more available for other processes. the addition of fiber will absorb water in the GI tract. this will help with excrement..
moodiness/libido issues: most likely e2 related, bro. 0.25 e3d may not be your sweet spot. since it is week 7 for you, i would go have your levels checked. if you're able to, privatemedlabs "female hormone panel". you can order the test now, and take it today. you'll have your results by friday. then we will know the big picture.
Def getting between 1.5 to 2 grams of protien and have been trying to drink at least a gallon of water per day. Would a fiber suppliment help out? What foods would you suggest to kick start my bowels again? I keep eating but not releasing. I'm going to explode from the inside out.
I don't have the time to get the testing today/tomorrow due to the services and gatherings. I have already ordered the test. I have to drive to another state to get them done which is 15 minutes away from my work so I plan on cutting out friday to get them done. I wish I could get them done right now. I also have noticed the past week I start to feel water retention on the 2nd day after adex. Seems like when I took the adex, the next day the water bloat was gone. With the exception of this week. I don't want to tweak the dose until I get the labs but I have a feeling you are right and my estro is going to be high.
GearofWarBe sure to order the SENSITIVE ASSAY brother. That's the only accurate assesment of E2 levels in men. Privatemdlabs charges $65 for that particular test I believe. Good luck.
You may not like the taste,but try some prune juice.Just one glass full.My women was bound up and got some prune juice.She had 1 glass,nothing.Had another,then another.I think she ended up having 4 or 5 glasses in about 4 hours.She shit her brains out for almost 2 days!lol So,take it easy on it.
You are right..taste horrible but ill do anything to get rid of this game of marbles I've been playing lol
Anonyou can buy metamucil or konysil at walmart. take that once or twice a day, in addition to veggies, oatmeal, cereal bars, etc. just check the nutrition facts panel of your foods and look for enough to give you 4-6 grams per meal on average - you should be taking in approximately 30g a day.
GearofWarA few of the things you describe leads me to think excess estrogen. The bloat(water retention)the full and "fatty" feelings. The libido shift, while not drastic, can also be a sign. Mental changes will also be affected by E2 levels. Being annoyed, that's just part of increased Test levels I believe. I get that way a lot myself. I don't ever feel the "roid rage" that so many users report(wish I did for the gym) I just typically get pissed and annoyed at foolish things. Remember bro, you're disrupting the normal hormonal balance that your body is so efficient at regulating. We're attempting to "trick" our bodies into growing with the use of exogenous hormones most of us never would produce naturally, so there are bound to be feelings arise that are new. Chill out, get an E2 "sensitive assay" blood test and go from there. Make sure you get the SENSITIVE ASSAY or the BW will be useless. My .02. Enjoy the ride, homeslice.
I don't ever get that rage feeling either. It's just a general intolerance for people. LOL. I have pretty good self control so it never really blows up. I do get that fire in the gym though and I love it! No point of controlling that part of it!