+ 1 HPTA Restart/Boost Attempt at 23
OK so I try to keep my introduction as brief as possible. I'm 23 years old, and I've been lifting for about 6 years, 5 days a week, along with cardio each day as well. I've never done any steroids, pro hormones, drugs, I don't even drink or smoke, and I eat very very clean. Back in September I went to get blood work because I was going to do my first cycle, and because I just hadn't been feeling like myself. I had a lack in libido, lack in well-being, and basically just existing joylessly, not really happy or mad, just nothing. My T came back at 339 on a scale from 300-1080. My doctor prescribed me 200mg Watson Test Cyp every two weeks.
I decide I didn't want to just jump right into TRT at my age. I wanted to at least get more blood work to see if there were any underlying issues, and after some more blood work I came to the conclusion that I have Secondary Hypogonadism. Please correct me if this seems inaccurate.
Now from here I'm hoping to restart/boost my LH and FSH with the use of Clomid. From my understanding, in simple terms, Clomid will block estrogen binding at the pituitary causing more LH to be produced, that LH will stimulate my Leydig cells to produce more testosterone.
Here's a good pic to simply it:

My Protocol Plan:(I'm looking for any other recommendations, simple just seemed better)
4 Weeks of Clomid at 25mg ED
Then blood work 3 weeks after the last Clomid dose to see if the increase if any is holding.
I figured it is worth a shot at the very least to avoid having to pin for the rest of my life. If I do end up having to go on TRT then I'll accept it and do it right at 50mg twice a week, instead of that 200mg every two weeks junk.
My concerns about clomid is the possibility of the visual issues. It seems though that is only in people using higher doses since the optical nerve is so close to the pituitary gland any abnormal growth in the pituitary can cause the negative visual effects. I'm hoping by using smaller doses and taking the dose right before bed I can avoid the negative effects.
I'm really just looking for opinions and personal experience from guys who have been successful or failed.
Blood Work:
09/12/13
Test 339 300-1080 ng/dL
SHBG 30 11-80 nmol/L
Free T 65 47-244 pg/mL
% Free T 1.9 1.6-2.9%
11/07/13
Test 386 348-1197 ng/dL
Free T 14.9 5.00-21.00 ng/dL
% Free T 3.86 1.50-4.20 %
Prostate Specific Ag .4 0.0-4.0 ng/mL
Estradiol 4 3-70 pg/mL
IGF-1 252 83-344 ng/mL
TSH 2.440 0.450-4.500 uIU/mL
T4 5.6 4.5-12.0 ug/dL
T3 Uptake 34 24-39 %
Free T4 Index 1.9 1.2-4.9
11/19/13
Test 460 348-1197 ng/dL
LH 2.5 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL
FSH 1.9 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL
Estradiol 17.5 7.6-42.6 pg/mL
Prolactin 11.1 4.0-15.2 ng/mL
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This is two years old. You'd be better of starting a new thread with your own stats/ goals / issues.
I want to ask the OP a question but he hasn't responded to my FR, so I thought posting here would get his attention.
Try starting your own thread, bound to get more responses that way.
i'm interested in this particular user's experience
AnonI'd try the following
HCG: 2500IU DAY 1-20 (or HMG if you can get it)
Aromasin frontload 25/25/12.5/12.5 then 6.25 daily
Clomid Frontload 200/200/150/150 (4 days then run) 150/150/100/100/100/50 (yes, 6 weeks of clomid)
Nolva 20mg-30mg ED.
4 weeks of clomid at 25mg isn't going to do shit homie. What carlos said below is on point.. Dr. Scally conducted a case study with 50+ males if memory serves using a similar protocol in which I tweaked above.
OK so just to make sure I've got the timing right, everything starts at the same time, but the HCG ends after 20 days while the Aromasin, Clomid, and Nolva continue for the duration of 6 weeks? Thanks to you and Carlos for the input.
Anonexactly.. some good supps to take on the side are HCGenerate and DAA
Sounds like a plan, I just ordered HCGenerate earlier today, because I thought it could help. Thanks for the advice.
Well damn I'm starting to think I'm thinking way to low now.
AnonI think you could do better as far as trying for a total reboot. I'm not recommending this but research something called Power PCT by Dr Scally. It's a bit radical for some but it has tremendous results. Nows the time to research bro go check it out
Yeah I had came across that when I was researching. The idea of using HCG first to get the testis producing more test, then using Clomid to help your pituitary send it own signals to the testis to keep producing test seems like a solid and good idea.
I wasn't quite sure though why the Nolva was added, and why was there such high doses of HCG(2500iu EOD.) All the men in the studies had their LH and FSH suppressed by androgens, so they had normal functioning HPTA systems before the introduction of the Test/Deca.
I was thinking of something like:
Week 1-2 250iu of HCG Twice a week
Week 3-6 50mg of Clomid ED
Aromasin around 6.25mg for the any estro problems related to the HCG or Clomid
The Power PCT may be in my future though if this doesn't do much for me.
WTF man!!!!! A doctor prescribed you with TRT because of just one bloodwork who the fuck is him. Ge earned his diploma in a lottery. Thts sick man. Do more research and some more bloodworks as time passes by.
Ok sorry I just red that u did 3 bloodworks
Anyways it makes no sense he should advice you to use tamoxifen or clomid not TRT diectly
Ha yeah I know, Eroids is what made me decide to try the clomid first. Needless to say I'm looking for another doctor, at least one that realizes that I could still be able to get my HPTA back in full swing possibly. And he did prescribe me Test after that first blood test that had no FSH, LH, or Estradiol, I got the other test done on my own.
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Good luck. Don't worry too much about the clomid. But if you start getting blurry vision then obviously stop taking it. 4 weeks at 50mg shouldn't be too bad