+ 2 Help with making my cycle as good as it can be.
This will be my first cycle I've ever done. I've been doing tons of research and I figured I’m at the point where it’s time to get some advice from you guys who have firsthand knowledge. Any tips, tricks, and answers to a few of my questions below would be extremely helpful. I’m in no rush, I just want to get this cycle as fine-tuned as possible before I start. I tried to make this post as organized as possible for myself and anyone willing to help out a newbie like myself.
My Background:
Age: 23 (not doing the cycle for another year or so)
Height: 5'9"
Weight: 182 pounds
BF%: 10-11%
I've been lifting for about 6 years, and currently doing personal training. I run 3 miles every day for cardio and lift 5 times a week for about 2 1/2 to 3 hrs. The gym is pretty much where I live; I've never smoked or drank alcohol. I've seem to of hit a plateau, but even after I get this cycle set correctly I'll probably wait another year or so to be on the safe side and to get as much naturally as possible first. I'm also currently in an RN program so I thought I wait till I finish that and let this cycle be a graduation gift to myself, and I'll be real good with needles by that point too, hopefully.
Cycle Option 1
Weeks 1-12 Test Enanthate 250 twice a week Monday and Thursday
Weeks 1-18 6.25mg Aromasin Everyday
Weeks 3-14 250 iu HCG twice a week on Sunday and Wednesday
Weeks 1-3 & 13-14 Test Propionate 100mg every other day as a kick starter and to taper down
Weeks 15-18 Nolva everyday set like 40/40/20/20
Weeks 15-18 Clomiphene every day set like 100/100/50/50
Necessary Materials:
1) 30ml of Testosterone Enanthate (250 mg/ml)
a. 12 weeks equals 24ml + 6ml for backup/next cycle
2) 30ml of Testosterone Propionate (100 mg/ml)
a. 5 weeks equals 18ml + 12ml for backup/next cycle
3) 100 12.5mg tabs of Aromasin
a. 17 weeks equals 60 12.5mg tabs + 40 12.5mg tabs for backup/next cycle
4) 10000 iu of HCG
a. 12 weeks equals 6000 iu + 4000 iu for backup/next cycle
5) 60 20mg tabs of Nolva
a. 4 weeks equals 42 20mg tabs + 18 20mg tabs for backup/next cycle
6) 60 50mg tabs of Clomiphene
a. 4 weeks equals 42 50mg tabs + 18 50mg tabs for backup/next cycle
7) 75 3ml syringes for Test Enanthate and Test Propionate
8) 75 20ga 1” needles for drawing the Test Enanthate and Test Propionate
9) 75 23ga 1” needles for insertion of Test Enanthate and Test Propionate
10) 20 1ml syringes for HCG
11) 20 25ga 1” needles for drawing and mixing HCG
12) 20 29-30ga needles for insertion of HCG
13) 2 x 200pk of Sterile 70% Alcohol Pads
14) Blood Test Pre-Cycle, Intra-Cycle, and 4 weeks Post-Cycle/PCT
Questions/Thoughts:
I'm considering kick-starting this cycle with 100mg of Test Prop EOD for the first 3 weeks, and maybe try ending it with 100mg of Test Prop EOD as well for the last 2 weeks. If I was to end with Test Prop, would it be weeks 11 & 12, 13 & 14, or something else? Any help with kick-starting and tapering down with Test Prop would be great.
I am still debating on whether to use the HCG or not, it seemed that it could be helpful without making things to complicated. I think I'll just get it, and see how things are going on cycle, and then decide whether or not to actually take it.
As you can see my main issues are the timing with Test Prop and HCG to make them the most beneficial and smoothest transition into beginning of my cycle as well as the PCT. So any suggestions and firsthand knowledge would be great.
Any other thoughts or advice would be great.
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Don't worry about the amount of gear needed; just keep stocking up. Get to know promos and use them well over the next year. It's ok to have a huge stash because guess what?? You do one cycle, you're going to do more. Over the next year you may end up with 20 vials of test e, what's wrong with that? But say you buy only 3 vials like the 30ml you plan on and you are on week 9 and shatter the last vial? now you have decisions to make. Not just the oils but pins too, sucks running out pins and trying to find a pharmacy with the IM's I use.
BUT be careful if you have extra gear laying around. Get yourself a calendar and set up your cycle on it. (I use single letters as codes and it's hanging in my bedroom, no one knows they mean). Follow the schedule and end it properly. Otherwise you may not realize how many vials you've used, next thing you know you're 8 months in and all fucked up LOL
I researched the shelf life of everything I've planned to order and none seem to really expire to quick, but does anyone have any first hand experience/issues with some of the compounds expiring. Thanks
That's a good point, thanks for the help. An actual physical calendar in my house would be better than just using my phone like I had planned. Thanks
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For the preparation and excellent thought out run!
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AnonHey brother, I do like the preperation man. It's very thorough and it reflects the time and research you have put into it. I would have to agree on a 12 week test only cycle for your first also. You might also want to have some blood work done pre cycle and about 4 weeks into cycle jsut to get a bead on where your levels are then if you need to make adjustments on AI for estro you can. I would also run the HCG 2 weeks into cycle anyway. You want your boys to keep producing and it can't hurt. What is your goal by the way???? Again, very well done bro. +1
Thanks, I'm wanting to put on more lean mass and gain as much strength as possible. I like to be able lift heavy while also maintaining strong cardio. There is no reason for a lots of muscles if you ain't got a strong heart to pump the blood to them.
Yeah the HCG really seems like a good thing to have, I haven't really seen much negative on it, when properly dosed.
By the time I do this cycle I will be able to draw my own blood, and have access to the machines to test it luckily. So I plan on testing pre-cycle and a couple of times on cycle, and of course after cycle. I like to be as thorough as possible.
AnonObiviously you have this well thought out. All the best and keep us posted brother.
OK so I've changed it up a little again, so how this looking.
Alright so I changed everything up based on the very helpful advice and links from thepeakzuru. How's this looking now?
1.Its your first cycle twelve weeks is perfect for Test E
2.Definitely cut it down to 6.25 mg of Aromasin everyday, you will crash your E levels otherwise, 12.5mg is high and 25 is rediculous lol
3.Aromasin is better than adex in my opinion, no Estrogen rebound.
4.Hold off on the HCG, this is a very basic cycle. HCG is for longer cycles with more compounds.
5.For your PCT take Nolva 40mg every day for the first two weeks, then reduce it to 20mg every day for the last two weeks. For the Clomid dose it 100mg for the first two weeks of PCT, and 50 mg of the last two.
6. Timing is up to you, whenever you can fit it in, as long as you are consistent with that time. I do everything in the morning right when i wake up. During your PCT however there are some times of day that will affect you.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/pct-anti-estrogens/ai-what-are-t...
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/more-and-more-failed-pcts
7.Nolva is not needed until PCT, Aromasin will take care of all gyno issues. Thats the point of the Aromasin, its an Aromatose Inhibitor, prevents the build up of estrogen levels, which in turn prevents the occurence of gyno.
8.Don't heat your vials in water.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/quick-pip-advice
9.Dont add anavar, leave it at test E, its the perfect first cycle.
10.Asking for sources is against the rules, but i dont think pin sources apply. If im wrong mods, im sorry.
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Your very thorough, just read the articles i sent you and you'll do just fine. Also, join the beginners group, read all the articles there.
http://www.eroids.com/og/beginners-cycles
Just to answer a feq questions. Yes bring your cycle to 12 weeks.
And bring your aromasin DOWN from 12.5 to 6.25 12.5 is too much
Im abit short for time im on my break at work aha
Nice post though you put alot of wellworth time into it
Appreciate the quick reply, yeah I was thinking 12 weeks sounded better too. Good point on the Aromasin I can always just increase if need be. I got to head to work in a little, but I'm gonna change the cycle to 12 weeks and change everything else to coincide correctly, I'm hoping when I'm finished I'll have a nice cycle template for myself and others with expert knowledge from every one else on here.
Post up your stats please, (age weight height bf%). Will be able to advise from there.
AnonLets get them stats for sure. I have to admit his set up for writing his thread is really cool. Never seen it formatted this way. And he's asking very good questions!
To the Op hurry and post some stats I'm
Chomping at the bit on this one
I like too.
Wouldn't be a bad idea as an example on how to ask for cycle advice?????