going to get some gear samples tested!!!
am currently in discussion with a graduate student at a local university, and he is going to test a few samples of aas i have obtained!!!, he is a chem. student who uses a liquid mass spectrometer , and i allready gave him the molecular structure of two compounds: unigen nandrolone 250mg. , and unigen depo-test enanthate 250mg. , i just am always skeptical of ug's!! and also any deca that is over 100mg per cc!, those are just the first two i will be sharing the results of there validity with you guys!!!, i am VERY interested with veyron products and have seen only great things said about them!!, also good prices and i love the colors!! haha, but two of there compounds will be next!..i will be back to share my test results as to what was in the samples, the unigen deca was in ampules, and the unigen test e- was in a 10cc vial, obviously it wont be proof just because i am going to post the test results but I HAVE NO VESTED INTEREST in any company i only want to avoid losing hard earned money and give my 2cents trying to help others who take this seriously!!!
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I hate to rain on everyones parade,....but,
Getting one sample or vial tested from an UGL or homecooker is just verifing one sample.
This is why trust in your source and his/her ability to maintain a quality supply chain up stream from themselves is important.
trust in your supplier has nothing to do with it!!! i trust my guy absolutely but sometimes new products arrive to the suppliers that everyone "assumes" are good, so thats where the testing comes in, do you think that ALL suppliers test there gear before distributing it! or just move it until someone complains ?? and im not talking about suppliers that make there own!1 guys who wholesale a bunch of other labs stuff!, but the ug's that move there own products would be next!
Well my guess is none of the UGL or homecookers test their gear (on a HPLC/MS machine), doing so would leave a trail of bread crumbs for LE.
yess! plus it would be ridiculous to spend that much money!!, butif you are a supplier and selll your own , you could just stand by your product and trust anyone who tested it would be just wasting there money!! due to the fact you know its legit, but if there were bad reviews and this particular lab is on your product list and you need it to be a good product to protect your buisiness than it WOULD be in a supplier's interest to have proof if anyone says different!!. i just see how inexpensive unigen is and that i can get all of there stuff but i am always skeptical of things and just have to see for myself!! i will still always use my past favorites but knowing that they are at least good, i might get some of the products or compounds i cant get made by my "staples"
1) A UGL or home cooker basicly hopes his powder supplier didn't screw them/him. Without useing a HPLC/MS machune about the onlt test they can do is a melt test, but if the powder is cut with something of a similar melt temp, they're screwed. This is why I mentioned a scource being able to trust his supply chain.
2) Cost !! For simplisity lets talk Test Prop, say the cost of 1 KG of Test Prop powder is $750. That 1 KG will make 1,000 @ 10 ml vials of Test Prop 100 for a cost of 75 cents of powder /vial. Other expenses will push it to $2-$3 / vial. That is the upside to the business, the downside is your ass if your ever caught with 1,000 vials or a KG of powder. Sending powder or completed oil's out for testing leaves a trail of bread crumbs.
Your tester guy may get cold feet before you get to far into this and if he gets caught will sure be an easy flip for the cops, I caution you about giving him any info that can be traced back to you!!!
great post kmc!!!!, which explains the great differences in cost for the same products, like how you can get sus 250 for 2.00$ and then someone else sells the same product for 18$ HAHAHAHA it obviously doesnt cost much to make!! but of course the people getting the samples tested, are getting the unmarked sample tested that was purchased legally with a presciption because they just want to be 100% certain as to what it actually is!! Or there are those who bring a sample in because they simply dont know what it is, when they bought it from the supplement store and they thought it was just a pro-hormone but they had lost the package it came with!
just an idea but this would be a great opportunity to have someone send him a bottle of the new kigs going around and see if its the real deal. i would send him one but i don't have any of the new ones.
i would love to see that too!! very interested in kigtropin and jintropin, seen some great prices on this site , like on ehealthpill, awesome price and i like there rep so far, we shall see
Thats awesome bro, since u got it in with this guy, if I sent you a couple samples from these homebrew guys on here, would u test 'em?
hahaha im not exactly "in with this guy" in communications with yess!! i will know a hell of alot more on monday.. and im getting the impression its more like a hushhh favor . and after the first ones are done ill ask about seeing him in the future and i also said i would pay$ but he said he "probably" just could use it for free, i dont want to push!!.those machines are Several hundred thousand dollars i believe!! hahaha but if it a resonable price and i can use again i will look into it!....Homebrew you say huh!you know this site should sponser one guy somewhere to test samples that are unmarked and unlabeled sent in by all labs randomly meaning one guy unnamed orders from labs and sends the samples for testing!! then he submits not only where it was purchased but what compound it was and if it was legit!! i bet everyone would be interested in that!!
Bro, I would be more than willing to be that one guy you speak of..lol. Forreal tho, that would be a great idea. Or just a cpl of us take this into our own hands, im sure we could get a few dedicated guys on here to all chip in $30 and send samples in for the better of all of us. I have a shit ton of colleges around me, good ones, and I think its like $150 to get samples tested I think its like a couple samples for that price, it would be great, flame the bad sources who are selling shit and praise the good ones. Ppl could make a lot better decisions based on lab results, just thinkin about this gets me so hyped. Ive always wondered about unigen btw, I hope they come back good. I think by march im gonna send a couple samples in to this one good university by me, I wanna test some of the sources gear who are on the first page of the source reviews.
Eric090585THIS IS HOW TO RACK UP SOME KARMA
KEEP US POSTED BRO
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well look up a local school go to there chemistry area, and look up LCMS sample testing, then you will prob find a list of services available or at least some names and numbers of grad students or professors that are working there , send one an e-mail asking for use of the machine and needing a molecular weight checked or a vrious sample tested, than they might ask what is the molecular structure of the compound tested ( so they see if the LCMS can be used) and send him the molecular structure of primobolan, then get you a open top vial and put 1 ml of it or maybe less they will let you know!! then they may charge you they may not!! but i guarntee it wont be NEAR as much as the $150 to get it sent out!! maybe 10-50 $
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Man, your going about it all wrong.
It was a script you had filled by an offshore internet pharmacy because your out of work and can afford ammerican healthcare prices. Your questioning what it really is because of side effects or lack of your condition improving. Never never tell them it is a restricted substance.
do not have an internet "script" or on-line doc!, samples are being tested for validity then on correct labeled "medication" amounts!, and lighten up francis!! i hope to see side effects!! or hear of alot of people with really bad acne and hair falling out, night sweats and major league aggression, pissing blood etc!! THEN THERE WOULD BE NO NEED TO TEST THEM , THEY WOULD BE G2G!!
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HAHAHAHA
It is just another example of the disadvantage young men have when they go up against old men, I could even say it with a straight face looking them in the eye and avoiding looking away and down to the left.
well i dont plan on walking in there post workout in a tank top, handing him some aas samples, , but if you have a trt prescription for test and want some other companies samples tested for validity i dont see a prob??..righhhht!!haha have been thinking about that!!after all when you got a script why cant you shop for a different brand of aas right??
+1 from me bro. I like seeing ppl do this, its sort of reasuring
Yeah dude it's awesome..I wanna hear about the Veyron after this though
yea same here, looking forward to hearing about veyron too
Nasty81NateTo my understanding a Liquid Mass Spctrometor machine can only detect certain molecular weights in the samples you provide. So while it can prove whether there is deca or no deca present, it can't actually give a accurate reading on the dosage...i.e., underdosed, properly dosed, or overdosed. Correct me if I'm wrong. That's just my understanding of this process
it is the only mg.deca i had available by them and i had asked if once determined it was indeed deca(274.4002)., i am going to have him compare the 250 mg. to the 100mg. organon deca!! and deca has a very different base weight than its ester. i would still be pleased if it does weigh the 274.4002 and i believe there is a way to determine the weight of a higher mg. per ml sample.i will post the mg per ml. of the deca when i receive it!! and post how he did it so you guys can go get yours checked also!
On the other thread, the OP posted pic's of the results that included as graph of the percentage of the given component in the sample. To go from a percentage to a weigh is just a calulation and a couple more numbers.
Nasty81NateAww...I'm very curious to see how these calculations are performed...I may have access to a liquid mass myself.
Because it is a "MASS" sectrometer it deals in weight, just weigh a ml of the substance and do the calulation.
The caveat is being able to accuruatly measure a ml and accuruatly weigh it.
and yes my spelling sucks tonight.
that is correct !! after i asked him that ,,he responded in his common language of Geekery and it was hard to understand him i nodded and said so you you will be able to tell the difference in mg's?? and he nodded yes!, hahahha
Awesome=) Too funny