test prop (low dose) anavar, eq , deca and or winstrol cycle, ???
WAS wondering if any of you have ever ran a cycle simlar to this, for bulking not cutting!!!, was wondering if these compounds which wont really give immediate explosive weight gain with a ton of water, but will put solid or hard muscle on slowly and steadily over the course of 14-16 weeks and WITHOUT LOSING IT!!!im figuring on a dose of 100mg every m,w,f of prop, anavar 50 mg a day, EQ 400mg a week and deca 400 a week or winstrol 40 mg a day (tabs) or 300mg. a week, for 14 weeks and staying on a high calorie not cutting!!, and i am not prone to prolactin related sides from the deca or winny. im hoping this cycle would put a 10-15 pound QUALITY muscle gain on .. just wondering if you guys tried similar or would tweak some things either dosage or change compounds thanx!!
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some guys get prolactin related sides, at low dosages ( under 300mg of deca a week) i have been on 600 mg of organon deca and 500 test and 30 mg of dbol and never took novaldex or dostinex!! and had NO sides! or erectile probs, (i wasnt getting laid then, but it was working i believe), lolol... but deca or tren do not aromatize to estrogen only can SOMETIMES in people cause prolactin sides!!and of course the test will off-set it but deca at 300 mg and with eq at maybe 4-500 you can do a cycle without the test just add some proviron!!! which will give you the androgens if needed!! and it wont cause any test related sides!! no water ..!!
very posible, but one things for sure 1 shot wont do it! cant tell you how many times ive read that....
I can assure you all that 1 shot will shut you down 100% is not true, I ran a test deca cycle and was forced to stop at 1 month about 8 shots in and was not even close to shut all the way down, maybe felt like halfway. However at a later cycle running the same deca I was shut down hard after 3 months. No labs to back it but I could tell a huge difference from 1 month to the 3 months.
The issue of nandrolone having such profound progesterone effects is a bit overplayed for some reason that I cannot grasp. For periods of only 4 weeks and at dosages of up to 400mg weekly, the actual progestin effect is not really of concern. Though it should be noted that the HPTA will not supply adequate testosterone (and subsequently DHT) to support a healthy libido beyond that point. And the estrogenic value is far less for nor-estrogens as a whole. As example is the effect upon HPTA function. LH and FSH are the determining factors for HPTA function itself. For this reason we can determine the degree of HPTA function inhibition that occurs as a result of the administration of different AAS. Novices that had normal LH/FSH levels prior to nandrolone administration showed an average decrease in LH/FSH of only about 33% at day 21 and 39% at day 28. Additionally at day 42 (2 weeks after discontinuance) LH/FSH level were only suppress an average of 21% thus showing a positive rebound effect. In comparison testosterone administration for the same period results in an addition decrease in LH/FSH of about 12% (bodyfat levels can have a profound effect upon this).
Normal
Male FSH reference range: 1.4-18.1 mIU/ml
Male LH reference range: 1.59.3 mIU/ml
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I am running EQ with var+winny+npp now. Note that npp is just 200mg/wk to lubricate the joints from the harsh winny and i know it now it ain enuth but the pain is not dat bad i can't train, just need to go slow and more controlled movements. so i am maintaining it at 200mg/wk.
my daily oral dose is madness, 75mg winny, 60mg var. EQ is just 400mg/wk as i just wanna use up the old stuff. what u will get is very pumped muscles...u wun be huge but the muscles r hard...i go to the gym and pple r looking at me not becos i am the biggest but becos my muscles look very dense n hard after i do my 1st 2 sets and its warm-up only.
weight wise, i think i gained about 8 lbs, could be more if i cut my cardio but i guess i need it to shed the water and be more cut.
u will lose some of the gains but not much if ur pct regime and training is tiptop.
no test at all ?? are you expieriencing any sexual sides ed?? etc?? , like i said earlier many many people are prone to those and some are not just like some get estrogen sides gyno, bloat, some do not!, an 8 pound increase in lean muscle is very very good!!, thanks keep it up..kenshiro!!
500mg/wk of test...however i think i am getting lesser than dat as it may be underdosed.
i never understood why or if companies or labs would actually underdose there test!! because if there is any test present it litterally is only maybe $1 0r 2$ the difference of 50 mg and 250 mg??? so why would a lab want to ruin its reputation , for a few dollars?? and in the end lose many many customers?? i believe that basically all labs make the legit product at least the easier to make compounds, the other harder to produce compounds which are almost always used with other drugs maybe just oil!!,due to the fact that they figure you will be using there test which is good with there other drugs..just a thought!!.
imo i dont think most of them underdose i think its just they dont mix the raw mwterials with the oil properlyit takes few hours to blend them evenly and as you can imagine the labs wanna make the stuff and get out before they feds come knocking so they give it a quick blast with a hand blender or something thats why some times you will get some vials with crystals in which means there is plenty ofg test in ie overdosed and some that are weaker ie underdosed
that makes perfect sense!, and adds to the reason people really try hard to obtain large pharmaceutical companies products. but of course they only make a few variations of test .and some deca, but there are great ug products out there both foreign and domestic, and i want to be one who receives some of those products!hahaha and have been reading reviews and doin homework everynight!! just hard to really pick one!!,i just found a blood lab in my home town that offers testosterone testing (free) and total), the tests are $27.00!!! thats not bad, im guessing thats a good way to get one done pre-cycle than 1 month into it!!.$54 is not bad , especially if you plan on using that co. products for a long time!!
yeah getting it tested is prob best since its that cheap but if you read through here there are a few labs that are getting good reviews and the gear is always good i dont think i would be allowed to name them but have a look through and see what you think
yess!!, if a lab or ug has ALL positive reviews, especially by random gym rats its good enough for me!! but i scratch my head at some when the same product has reviews ALL over the place?? but everytime i start with test-e at 500 or 250 twice a week by week 3 or 4 my (boys) start to act like scared turtles or as if i was in cold water!!but that FO-SHO is a tell-tale sign its good!!, lolol and wont cost you anything to verify, but of course we want to know before we start!!. i just seen a source on here that is carrying a lab from india which is an accredited or licensed laboratory in india which distibutes generic medications as well as anabolics!! and they make em all!! primo , test of course, anadrol, d-bol, and all anti-estrogens and all pct meds. it is more than tempting there prices and its from a good review source, i am doing more homework on them.. but i am sold on one ug with (very colorful) vials so far .. but of course always looking.
i DID form this thread in the form of a question and the peeps trying to cast me out as an idiot , i applaud you, but!, the more test you run on a cycle the more disturbance you put on your hormonal axis or negative feedback loop post cycle!!! and the more time it will take to recover and the more YOU WILL LOSE POST CYCLE!!, if you take the minimum amount of test and compounds like deca anavar or winstrol and equipoise which will give you slow and steady gains of quality muscle and of course primobolan but is not really cost effective, especially if your me, but a cycle composed of a few of those compounds makes perfect sense!! and i will bet the gains made after a cycle of low dose test higer doses of anavar and deca and if you have prior problems with prolactin sides you can take cabaser or dostinex(cabergoline) cabaser is also cabergoline but less expensive, and i will bet the NET gains at 8 weeks post cycle will be greater thanb the gains of a d-bol gram or two of test cycle!! with less endocrine system disturbance!! if you dont agree fine than instead of callin me an idiot post a cycle that will produce similar gains that wont be lost 6-8 weeks post cycle thanks!!!and 1 more thing!!all you guys saying you wont see gains with test till 4 weeks in!! HAHA please realize that if you know your body you will FEEL the test at least in increased libido HOURS after your first shot not talking about prop either1, and if your told to wait 4 weeks that means you are just seeing your gains you made naturally , you better be making gains natuarally by 4 weekis eating and training hard!!!, i believe that there is ALOT of BAAAAD stufff out there and we should really put those products on blast or really cast out those moving em!!! i thank all you guys who posted here either positive or negativaly
Just run the prop 100mg eod, deca when ran low will tighten u up so 200mg wk-300wk n most do say 2-1 ratio. Bump the eq up to 500mg wk run it long 12-14 wks. Some say deca n eq are comparable but they aren't. Deca is better for bulking eq for lean gains. I personally always wanted to try both. Get best of both worlds IMO. Run the winny instead or the var. 50mg day for 4-6 wks at the end of cycle Running winny for the whole cycle is Gunna do some damage. IMO. Body fat too high for var. Var isn't known for strength gains most lean muscle gains which needs low body fat to show what it's doing.
Ps. Most the cats(roid noid, hollywood) on this posts are stand up guys brother. They just want u to be safe that's where they're coming from. My mod brothers have always been good to me. But I've seen ur pix and think u are a stand up bro so I know you'll do what is right for you. Just careful with the winny cuz it's one of the most toxic on the liver. No matter what supps u take. I've run winny up to 8wks and no matter how much water I drank I felt bad. 6wks is the most I will ever do but I'm sticking to 4 wks from now on. And anyone who says winny should only be used with a super low body fat must not get the boost in strength from it like i do. It does wonders on any cycle bulk or cut. It does it all. I'm built like u and I use it to dash to the finish line and it sure does make me strong as fuck. My 2¢
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very very good!!!, i was thinkjing the test and deca together or test and winstrol for 7 weeks then low test still plus winny for final 7 was going to add anavar,, but NO steroid will be effective while high bodyfat ....this pic is also 6 months old!!! for everyone calling me chris farley my pic from two weeks ago is on my pic thread in the self pics forum's thanks!!!Sure pick on the fat kid!!..........just after running 500mg of test and deca 400mg on last cycle and knowing will have to go 500 or 750 on next, just was thinking of low test and high deca or eq and or finishing with winstrol, and yess i said 100mg eod but mwf, equalling 300!!, i like this cycle thanks!!and eq i wasnt sure about 500mg you say ..ok!!.and roid noid is my guy and i have no probs at all with these mods!!! much rather get messed with than no response at all!! and i was trying to award to points to each of you but it wont allow me too??? anyway thanks to you guys!
who the fuck calls you chris farley? you are a beast bro....they must be jealous.
I gotta say anybody who calls u Chris farely is just an idiot. They're probably rocking super xxxtra medium shirts and will spend their whole life and all their money try to get half as big as u are born naturally to be. Like I said before I'm a split image of u just not as tall. We were born to be big no matter how much we diet or cardio. Bright side is all we gotta do is wake up in the morning and we r big as fuck. Who's rolling on 20's Big Dawg!!!
cali hows it!! and rob, LOLOLOL i was just f-ing around about chris farley, the first post on this thread the guy said i was too fat to take winstrol!!, so i mentioned Chris FARLEY!!! HAHAHAHAHA,!!!
Have you ever ran deca with low dose test? or with out test? did you have problems?
I ran 250 mgs of test and 600 .
mg of deca for the last 8 weeks of a cy
cle once with no ed a.nd no sides but it was not by choice I had a shipping issue haha ahh the good ole days
Brother if you have no issues with low test high deca than run your cycle! Not everybody responds the same, Deca dick has happened to some and many are terrified of it so its become protocal with the 2:1, but im running it at 1:1 right now and theres no problems.
Your defintely gonna acheive some hardcore impotence with that plan
I'm gonna say one thing and one thing only... NO!
research your compounds bro... my honest opinion is that if this is what you've come up with then stick to straight test
Please enlighten me than I dont know much thought it made some sense to try a few compounds that would allow u to keep most of your gains minus the water.
deleted your smartass remarks cuz the guys were bashing you for being an idiot
...and my apologies, I remember your pics now and remember you stating that you've been out of the game for about 10yrs now... real science has taken the place of "bro" science these days... and that cycle doesn't make much sense
Your right guys selling shit posting that u need at least a 2_1. Raio of test to deca must mean its set in
n stone I just watched someone use only winstrol tabs and gained 12 pounds and kept all of it and if u dont expierience prolactin related sides at a low dose u wont see them at a dose of
4 5 hundred and thats not bro science dostinex or cabaser could be used by those I never needed it but I do agree with u on only doing what is the minimum amout of mgs to see results .thanks again.
AnonAlso, if you run Deca high, and a low dose of test prop for example.. you'll run into erectile issues-plain and simple.. Doesn't matter if you're prone or not, if you shut your test down, and have that progesterone build up.. its inevitable
AnonMost of the time; the greatest health issues are the ones you can't see
Alot of guys do alot of things that show great physical results... doesn't mean its healthy... Competitors run obscenely high dosages of compounds knowing (or not knowing) full well there will be a price to pay later
Absolutely I spent more on liver heart cholesterol an d overal health supps and blood work than gear oh and kidney health lold
first of all bro, you can do just fine on a straight test cycle... gains are dictated thru diet and training
THIS proposed cycle is ridiculous:
prop 3xwk is NOT a test base
EQ @ 400 is a waste (minimum 500)
400 Deca with 300 prop a wk, kiss your dick goodbye, you ALWAYS run test higher. do you have any thoughts on anti-prolactins?
the var and winny all i can do is shrug my man.
Just by proposing this cycle lets me know you are not ready for a stack cycle (if thats what you want to call this)
Not trying to be a dick bro, just trying to be responsible
wks 1-12 test(e)or(c) 250 2Xwk is a what you should be looking at
exactly what i would and have advised people and exactly what i did last cycle only started with d-bol and some deca...of course it is great advice..
Imo the winny would b useless because your bf is not low enough and you wouldn't see any kind of gains from it.
hahaha andreas muntsner i am not, but im not chris farley either!, but thanks mr. ripped!! i will be back on here later, i have to go now to get ready for my gastric by-pass!! see ya all in a few!!
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