posted Thu, 05/16/2013 - 14:55
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-1 ESTROGEN!! please help
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just got my bloods back.
testosterone: 2878 ng/DL
estrogen: 1959 pg/ML...... FUCK
prolactin: 11.6 ng/ML
i got it done at a family doctor because those anonymous labs are not available in my state. doctor said those numbers are astronomical, and he said they will call me tomorrow because they "need to get to the bottom of this". but the bottom is, im on testosterone.
i didnt wanna tell him what im doing because he will tell me to simply stop, but i dont want to. so what can i do to get my estro back to normal????
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hey e92, i just saw this in your post on gh15 and you're getting the same feedback both places and giving the same attitude... why do that? you listed your stats and you're no tough guy, so just sit back and take some advice man..
listen. you will balance these numbers out by making sure you are using legit AI's from reputable sources. avoid research chems when youre in a situation like this. I havent read all this thread, but if you've been on any ai, clearly it isnt working. I personally do NOT respond to aromaisin but have great luck with arimidex. find what works for you, dose it heavy for a few weeks, and get these tests re-done. if you feel comfortable with your family doctor, maybe you should come clean and he could provide you a prescription AI (he knows you're on steroids so there doesnt remain much reason to lie). You don't have to come off bc he says so, and you can always switch doctors after you've addressed this issue. certainly not the end of the world, just take a pragmatic approach. for my gyno/estro related issues in the past, ive crashed my estrogen with arimidex at 1mg/day for only a week, then tapered back to my normal .25 e3d dose
doctor said those numbers are astronomical, and he said they will call me tomorrow because they "need to get to the bottom of this"
LOL bro you fucked up. Doctor's arent stupid. He knows what you're doing and it probably wont end well depending on what type of doc he is. Could possibly screw up your insurance. I noticed you said you didn't want to tell him what you're doing, but what did you think was gonna show up when you got bloodwork if you know you were taking supra physiological doses of test?
"but what did you think was gonna show up when you got bloodwork"
The funny thing about common sense is how uncommon it is.
RustyhookerDude! I remember helping you several times but you NEVER EVER lustened. Sorry but i think your complaint is fake.
Post your doctors results. If they're real....then you get DUNCE award for gyno man of the decade!!!!!
Post up!
e92hahah why would my complaint be fake? i guess i do get a dunce hat for being a moron and not taking my AI consistently. and its funny cause i dont have gyno either
RustyhookerI gotta see the numbers. Highest ive ever seen posted by a real deal was just over 400 with dude taking 500/week of test. So, your numbers are triple....inquiring minds gotta know
that's because the estrogen is not his E2 levels but his total estrogen. Which tells us nothing because it also includes the good estrogen.
total estrogen is not what we are concerned about. Yes his is high but e2 is needed to have a better idea.
e92i understand that e2's are needed but i do not have them. since my estrogen is that high shouldnt it give the impression that my e2's are pretty fucking high as well?
RustyhookerI know it boss. This op doesn't listen anyways. Check his priors. Lol! More like he's pullin a funny because if he's not....he never listens anyways.
e92honestly dude im too lazy to post the picture but those are the real numbers. its total estrogen not e2... for some reason the blood test didnt include e2. but judging by how high my estrogen is i can only imagine what my e2 is.
oh yeah and i think my estrogen was on rebound too from the adex i stopped taking about a week before.....
RustyhookerWell....same speech as before. Aromasin at 25/day for 2Weeks. Blood test at privatemedlabs.com to get real reading. Doctors still gonna crap peachez over test levels.
Here...my insurance would dump me and not your test levels in permanent records. Then there's no chance you'd get insurance. High risk drug user. That's why vets tell peolpe directly to NOT involve the doctor.
Good luck.
e92i wish i could use that website but they do not offer services in my state
nolvadex is good
e92thanks to everyone.... but on the plus side at least i know i have some damn good test
What are your stats age, weight, height, body fat levels as well as the compounds you are currently running aas, ai etc. How can anyone possibly give you accurate good advice without more information. How long have you been running your cycle?
AnonApologies Pank. I played a fool on this kid. He has no respect. Sorry brother you are absolutely correct.
You don't owe any apologies buddy, for helping this kid out you are one of the people here that could without knowing stats. But for the rest of us it is much needed:)
e92hahah i have no respect because i refused to give a "guru" my stats? lols
stats are completely irrelevant when someone's estrogen is through the roof ya stupid fuck now go crawl back into your mothers vagina and cook a little longer. but thanks for the advice guy you actually helped me
I think you are calling me a "Guru" lmao, I appreciate the vote of confidence but you are so far off. Look we ask for stats because it is a general rule that I was taught here by those who have earned their place here. So we honor them by following the rule that they give without them we perish. Also Sexymexy gave you exactly what you needed and if you are judging him by his karma or time on this board again you are whoa fully wrong. He knows, learned and forgotten more about aas then I could have hoped to learn. He helps you and you give such a despicable insult to him for giving you some much needed humility. We all get hot headed and I hope you stick around and learn because this is a great place and we all make mistakes, I do all the time. But brother you should apologize to him it would go a long way and this is a very forgiving and generous community. I wish you the best.
AnonHe made a separate thread and said something to Tread I didn't like:
http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/general-talk/how-long-for-my-ai-to-a...
AHHH....I see now that even is worse than I thought. I thought he was referring to me as a Guru and I couldn't get past laughing at it. But now I am pissed that he showed disrespect to ironically the man who fixed my estrogen issues. I responded over on that link. The fact that you helped this kid despite is disrespect shows your character my good friend!
AnonHe's not just a guru. He's one of my best friends on this site and has spent more time on this site helping faceless members not knowing them from Adam. He's a man and a great one at that. If you read his posts at all you'd know that he deserves the ultimate respect.
You can talk all the shit u want cuz u aren't real. You're some imaginary little mosquito in a fake Internet world. You're welcome for any help I gave you. That's what I do. I give and never ask anything from anybody fucking ever in return. There's only a few guys here on eroids who don't have to ask for help at all, EVER!! And I'm one of em!
you didn't get estradiol levels checked so we have NO IDEA how much you have.
We do know your total est. is above normal.
All we needed was stats because if your bodyfat is high then chances are you will need a higher dose. Your current cycle and information is crucial to answer your question. You obviously have no fucking clue what you are doing so how do you know stats are irrelevant? Tread-m is one of the most highly respected members of eroids and he is extremely wise and has tons of experience. You completely blew him off as he was willing to help your dumb ass.
Not sure what you are expecting if you wont even answer a simple question about your situation.
e92im 5'9 185-190 with 13-14% bodyfat
No need to start calling people names is there?
How much test mg- g a week are you on that's close to 3000
e92525/wk
How have you made it this far and your just now addressing estrogen? Good luck bud. Sexy will get you squared away.
http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/tren-and-sex-d...
e92because i am not on tren anymore
AnonMan I remember u. U don't listen to advice very well. Your way too young for gear. This proves it.
Aromasin 25mg daily for 2wks. 12.5mg am 12.5mg PM. Drop dose to 12.5mg daily for next two weeks and then retest.
e92im ordering aromasin now but i have adex as well.. how much of it should i take?
AnonAn aggressive adex protocol would be .5eod for 2wks followed by .25e3d for the next two wks. Switch from the adex to Aromasin by wk 4 and cruise on a low dose of 6.25mg for another 2-3 wks to avoid any estrogen rebound Blood tests with E2 is a must ok
e92how do you feel about the protocol i offered below?
well its basically what you suggested, only i'll be taking .75mg adex EOD until my aromasin gets here which should be over teh weekend. then i will do 12.5mg during the day and 12.5mg at night
total estrogen doesn't help. We need your E2 levels.
You will need an AI to bring it down.
e92it doesn't say
Exactly. Your blood tests are worthless. Estradiol levels are what we need to see. It would help if you gave more information... What cycle are you using and AI?? what dosages are you using
e92you act as if having my estrogen @ 2000 cant give you an idea of where my e2 is at.
im doing 150mg prop eod and when i took the blood test i hadn't taken AI's for a week.
in order to speed up the process of lowering my estrogen, i will lower my test dosage to 50 eod, and start taking 25mg aromasin a day and get bloods done again in a few weeks.
you mentioned you had arimidex on hand so just use that 0.25mg every other day. No need to lower test dose and add in Aromasin which is an extremely powerful AI. The adex will be more than enough to bring your estrogen into normal range.
e92im almost out of adex, got about 2.5mg left so i just ordered aromasin and it should be here in a few days.
i seem to be very estrogen sensitive so having a powerful AI on hand wont hurt.
what if i do .5mg adex eod then switch to 25mg aromasin ED (as sexymexi said) ?
You should have been better prepared for this. Buying gear should come 2nd to buying all your ai's.