+ 3 Bloodwork Posted...losing my sh*t
I've been lurking here for years. I just had bloodwork done. Just posted for review. I'd like to get thoughts on this. I think I really f'ed myself up....I am dealing with major anxiety and serious serious depression all of a sudden the last week and half. Stuff from past has popped its head out. And I'm ready to leave wife and family...It's bad guys....feel me in on what could be happening, this has never happened before. I've done many cycles since 98....but this was going to be my last one. Before just doing TRT...Wanted to go out with a bang, and fuckkk I definitely did.
My previous Bloodwork before cycle was this: 2/12/2025
Test : 426
Free Test: 10.3
EQ: 5
Dihydrotesterone: 41
DHEA: 206
Current Cycle: Beginning 3/9/2025 planned 16 weeks
1200mg Test E ( 2½ months)
500mg EQ
50mg Anadrol (5weeks) ( Yeah I know, too old for the shit)
Then started Winny 50 mgs (2 weeks ago)
Any help to tell me what you think is going on....This was so fucking dumb...now I'm deep in the trenches. I just want to say thanks in advance and hopefully we can have meaningful discussion.
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Look take this for what its worth but I can tell you that your RBC and HCT being high is what is causing the depression and mental thinking and feeling of self doom. Either do it yourself or go donate blood you need to get that down and back to normal levels.
Mind over matter. Remind yourself this will pass and it'll all be better soon, one day/moment at a time. PM me if you need someone to vent to I'll give my info
Get that E2 UP! I noticed when my E2 gets below 20 I start getting depressed, and negative and anxious. It sucks. Way better to run E2 a bit high as opposed to low. And yeah you don't need 2 orals, honestly probably don't even need one unless you are cutting hard or are in some sort of contest prep.
It's 100% the EQ, the only panic attack I've ever had in my life was on EQ. Drop the eq, drop the drol, drink water, donate blood.
I'd also suggest lowering the test, your hormones are all out of whack and having sky high test with moderately low e2 will cause a massive imbalance. I'd even say drop the win at this point, try to get back to baseline.
Rbc and bp hits anxiety hard. Crashed estro...more to deal with
I can really appreciate you including the steps about his wife! Fighting for the marriage is extremely important.
"Stuff from past has popped its head out...And I'm ready to leave wife and family.." that was his most powerful statement And thats i read.
Edit: but now seeing the mods tagged him double account means the dishonest nature could also be the root cause of the marriage issue. Hope im wrong.
I hope you’re wrong too, but now I see what the avatar means.
Yup and if he changes them to the baby then it means they got caught being too young
Don’t be so worried bro. Your e2 is low which clearly has you all sorts of messed up mentally. Lower your EQ dose or drop it all together and go back to cruise. You’ll bounce right back
Lots of good advice already listed below! But wanted to hop on here and encourage you to hang in there. Don’t make a decision in this short term that will affect you for the rest of your life. Keep your head up and listen to some of the advice below. Wish you all the luck!!!
In terms of what you are running, have you previous experience of running High Testosterone dosages? Because 1200mg of Test E per week would blow most guys heads off and make them feel very anxious, full of excess energy, high BP, sleepless and just wouldn't sit well with them.
I personally cannot run EQ, it cause's tremendous nervousness and anxiety when it begins to build. Was one of my first ever compounds alongside Test and DBol and man it made me feel edgy as hell and restless all the time I was on it - never again.
Have you run Anadrol before? The reason I don't run it anymore is because it makes me feel very depressed and lethargic, yeah its good for getting stronger on but you can do that on Dianabol and at the same time feel happy and optimistic about life.
So there's my take on why you are feeling depressed and anxious just based on the compounds and doses you are running. I would re adjust it to 600mg Test E, Scrap the EQ and replace with NPP at 400mg/wk, lose the Adrol and use DBol instead.
And for Gods sake buddy - don't even think about leaving your wife and family over this, its all just temporary and in your mind. It will pass once these shitty compounds get out of your system and if you choose to follow my reccomendation I think you will feel tonnes better pretty soon. Lowering the Test immediately and introducing the other 2 compounds will wipe out the feeling of the others quickly.
I agree with Panda100% about E2 and how it can fuck your mental state. I ran my first cycle (Test E/ 500 mg) way too young (21) and without nearly enough education. I was so afraid of gyno that I started using Letro (don’t remember the exact dosage) EOD starting on the date of the first pin. A few days later I was depressed AF, questioning if I was a good son to my parents (no logic for that), my strength and confidence dropped like a rock…it was nasty. I eventually read around on here enough to decide that experimenting around with dropping the Letro was a good idea. By week 4 the test E had stabilized, my E2 had recovered, and 15 years later I’m a fucking gear head reading and contributing to Eroids every day.
I’m not recommending that you go and buy any- but if you happen to have some D-bol on hand try taking 50 mg/day for 2-3 days. It has an extremely high conversion rate and if low E2 is the primary driver of your symptoms you will almost immediately start feeling better.
I’m not saying adding D-bol to the cycle long term is the solution, it’s just a good way to get a quick answer on whether or not low E2 is the culprit.
Damn bro, sorry you’re feeling like that … been there myself.
Your E2 at 12.2 is way too low, especially while running 1200mg of Test and EQ. That alone can absolutely wreck your mental state, anxiety, depression, emotional numbness, even relationship detachment. Been there, seen others go through the same spiral.
So…
What’s your current Total Test? You didn’t list it … it’s key here.
Were you using an AI ? If yes, how much and how often?
What was your EQ brand? Some underdosed or overdosed gear can hit you sideways.
Also worth noting … EQ itself can suppress E2, even without AI, and it’s unpredictable. 500mg isn’t huge, but for some guys, it’s enough to tank aromatase conversion. Combine that with possible AI use or a naturally low aromatase baseline, and boom, you’re dry as a desert hormonally and emotionally.
I’d pause any AI use immediately, and consider pulling back slightly until things stabilize. Fix your bloods first before making big life calls. You’ll bounce back, brother.
Agreed 100%. If I crash my E2 I get all emotional, depressed, self-conscious, anxious…I basically start doing the same things that I blame estrogen for when my wife does them. I prefer to use prop in the summer and Sust with Nolva during growth season to protect my nips and deal with the bloat as opposed to trying to aggressively control E2 with an AI. The feeling that comes with accidentally crashing it is horrendous. I also like to have some 50 mg D-bol on hand in case I do accidentally crash it because it converts at such a high rate.
Hell, last month I could tell my E2 was starting to get too low on 450 mg prop/600 mg mast E because my dick was a limp noodle even with Cialis. 2 days of D-bol at 50 mg split twice a day and I was able to go full mast unassisted (as would be expected with superhuman testosterone levels & daily cialis).
I added 250 mg/Sust to the 450 prop and the conversion from the medium and long esters in the prop got me back in line once they had time to cleave the esters.
Crashed E2 is a fucking land mine that is all too easy to step on in this game.
Excellent information in your comment, bro. +1 from me
Appreciate that, brother and couldn’t agree more. Crashed E2 is one of the most overlooked landmines in this game. It messes with your head, mood, and libido in ways people don’t expect until they’re deep in it. Smart call on keeping Dbol as a tool to rebound quickly, been there. Great insight, thanks for jumping in
Absolutely!
E2 crashed...and? Its not a full panel because...why?
Most likely low E2 (even if it is in reference range - it could be too low for you) or direct side effect from the Eq or orals (may not be what it is supposed to be?). You don’t have your liver labs posted here but most of that won’t give you the symptoms you describe. With respect to other opinions here, there’s nothing wrong with your kidneys - BUN/Cr ratio being high shows volume depletion / dehydration but when Cr is in normal range and the ratio is low doesn’t have a real significance by itself. Your BUN is strangely low - did you chug gallons of water before your labs? If so, your hematocrit could be more worrisome and I’d consider donating blood and stopping the Eq.
UncleSoapyThanks for reply, before cycle my E2 WAS 5....AND that was natural...on absolutely nothing in 2 years
Fair enough - then I’d question what you’re taking. When did you start noticing a change in your mood - was it within a short period of time from starting the Winny? We are used to assuming that we are getting medications in a relatively reliable fashion but even FDA approved pharmaceuticals have a lot of variability we as consumers never get told about. When it’s grey/black market, there’s just no way of knowing what you’re getting. I don’t think the labs you have posted give a direct explanation and my suggestion is stop what you don’t absolutely need to continue taking and figure out a way to take a step back to recalibrate. Fortunately, most stuff should clear in 3-7 days or at least get through one or two half-lives so your side effects should taper off pretty quickly. Eq may take a bit longer if that is what’s responsible, but at least then you’ll know to stay away in the future. Sorry you’re experiencing this man. If things get worse, there are crisis lines that can help either direct you to services or get you help in case of an emergency.
I believe EQ is known to cause anxiety. Drop the EQ. EQ is also know to crash E2 which could be the root cause of your symptoms. Your E2 is pretty low.
If it’s really good it 100% causes anxeity
UncleSoapyWould it be crashed if before cycle it was 5 and now it's 12? It went up
I’d think that at your test levels are ridiculous high taking 1200mg/weekly. The ratio of test to estro is way off. If you started EQ and test at the same time your estro was probably climbing up until that EQ hit then it probably crashed.
When did you start EQ? It’d also be helpful to see what your estro levels were at 1200 test only to give you a better idea. It’d also allow you to better understand how EQ affects your estro. Then you could’ve adjusted from there. I’d say start off by dropping the EQ entirely. Let it clear up a bit then get bloods again. You might find that your estro has gone up.
anvilEQ prolly doing the number on your estro.
RBC is slightly above - I think its fine don't let it get worse
HCT slightly above -Its okay again you can't let it get worse
Bun/Creatinine is definitely from the orals , just stop taking them immediately