+ 1 Blood work and Dropping my testicles
Admin; I started here but please move should you feel this is the wrong forum.. Thanks
Stats;
Age: 34
Height: 5'8
Weight: 194lbs
BF roughly 16%
I have been training on and off for many years including, BB, triathlons, acrobatics, and Im a general gym rat. Im an active guy; I SUP, swim, play tennis, bike or longboard. I have an active job as well. Problem is I CANNOT push myself in any realm of life anymore because of constant fatigue and a cloudy brain.
I have run many cycles starting around age 18 on and off til age 30 including compounds like Test E & P, proviron, masteron, decca, winstrol, anavar, EQ, and some others. I didn't really run any sort of AI until age 25 where I used arimidex, proviron, hcg,and nolvadex. At times I ran a cycle cut and dry, on/off with and without AI. Around age 28 I decided to cruise for about 9 months on test E adding other compounds during this time and then ran a short and abrupt PCT. Always kept AI on hand and I felt really good during this time. Confident, strong, lower bf levels, horny, no major sides like acne or gyno, slept well with occasional night sweats but nothing crazy. Since that cruise Ive taken a hiatus from the gym (lifting) for about a year while I went through some personal shit.
Needless to say I have never used bloodwork and I want to start, I want to understand my body better. Im on the privatemdlabs website now looking at the currently $192.99 test - HORMONE PANEL UNISEX (QUEST DIAGNOSTICS) but I want to make sure Im grabbing the right product.
I have maintained a decent amount of my muscle gains(by checking LBM with calipers), but strength is gone, my libido?? is gone (as are my testicles..what are those?) Its hard for me to cut the bodyfat like I used to (even off cycle-- roughly 16% now), and find any sort of motivation for life or the gym, eating food, or fucking my girl...and Ive always been hornier than a four peckered billygoat!! I think my adrenal gland is shot because even drinking coffee or energy drinks almost has the adverse effect.
Additionally, Im looking for guidance when choosing my next compounds. With my goal being as simple as having my testicles back, having the desire and drive that we all experience while using, and being able to keep my masculinity, it should be simple. With that being said Im open to having fun with it.
If there is any other info you guys feel is necessary for starters comment. Im here for help and willing to listen and learn. Feed me the info for success.
Best
- Bookmark
- 1
- 0
You guys definitely have a way with taking a very small detail and running with it. Read the post in its entire form. I want to go about the right way of rebooting my natural levels if its possible. Period. I removed the bit about tren because I haven't and wont EVER take it.
Nobody has even answered what the Original post title was and thats the correct blood work to order. This forum has been far from helpful; more or less a group of internet criticizers in my experience.
For those of you calling me a kid, your not my dad, calm down.
For those of you being helpful I appreciate your input, dually noted. Have started looking at local endos
Ahem......
Guess he missed that part .....
lol
We have all been there!
You need the “Anabolic Doc” Go see him in his office in Florida or Connecticut!
I could tell you what I did, my balls grew so fast they hurt. But you sound pretty far gone and it would be irresponsible of me to tell you. You don’t just need any endo, you need one who knows his shit and has a track record of reversing damage like that if you ever want to have a kids, if you don’t already have them, otherwise it ends with you.
If you want your balls back, get the hell off gear and start up some HCG. Maybe include some Test, but HCG is where you'll want to be. Clomid helps too, but not everyone can tolerate the sides that come along with it.
For a guy describing your life atm, Tren will do more harm than good, just my opinion though.
Keynote: Forsure HCG. Maybe some Test if your adamant on cycling.
So you've basically knackered your hormone & endocrine system and want it back - But in the next breath want to try Tren because it interests you in that its both good and bad? So in reality then no matter what advice you get here its unlikely you'll stick to it as you are already interested in compounds that are going to make you even more infertile than you already are.
Funny I read about a third of this and skipped down to the last and that is exactly what I read.
Oh no! I was irresponsible and broke my self. I need help!
To
Man, I want to get on some tren.
Poor kids these days. They dont have a chance
If you want your balls back don't consider tren. It's one of, if not the worst product when it comes to sides. From your past history and the fact that you haven't recovered yet you very well may already be looking at TRT as a necessity to get your masculinity back. Just not your balls.
Any interest in having kids? You honestly need to have this conversation with an endo. There are a lot of very knowledgeable people here, but (to my knowledge) not any doctors performing exams and that is what you need. Get some professional advice about where your body is, think about how you want to spend the next 30-40 years and proceed accordingly.
Whats more important to you?
Steroids and gains or your balls, fertility and sex life?
First thing is definatly get blood work done asap.
Research your results and start from there.
2 years with no steroids what so ever?? Nothing?
No test? No proviron? Nothing?
If thats true and you still have no nuts you definatly fucked yourself and shut yourself down hard.
Personally myself i think you should do the full detox and reboot route before seeing your docs.
That means making sure everything in your life is clean and healthy.
No drugs or alcohol of any kind.
Healthy dieting and nutrition, lots of fruits and greens and lots of water.
No junk shit!.
Get off any supplements like preworkouts or protein powders etc etc.
Get yourself some detoxing products.
Liver cleansers, any good natural products that will detoxify your system and stick with them, think antioxidants.
A good 1 a day multi vitamin.
Good amounts of sunshine.
8 hours sleep every day.
Then your likely going to need big amounts of, clomid, nolvadex, hcg, aromasin.
Start researching reboot pct.
They are long and harsh but your last option before professional intervention and trt.
If you do it right you will likely recover.
You start it, you continue it exactly as planned and you finish it.
You dont bitch out after 5 weeks saying its to hard or its not happening.
You gotta be strict with all of it.
This is your nuts were talking about.
Take this seriously unlike your years of steroid abuse.
You might suceed and have a 2nd chance at making love.
If you recover or improve it might be a rinse and repeat situation.
Thats fine.
If you do suceed you should say good bye to the world of steroids.
If your not planning to say goodbye you may as well go to your dr and start trt for life because thats the only option if you do.
Id say in 10 years ive seen and watched fairly closely 15 guys in your position or similar ( wanting kids which is fertility pct) and off the top of my head only 2 didnt come back to normal.
One guy bitched it and started a cycle 4 weeks in behind my back and the other guy was older, pushing 50 and i think he tapped out start week 6 and is still on this site.
A handful of others are still members here but are too busy bringing up their babies......
At this point Im not worried about gains. I just want to feel normal again and my gains will come once homeostasis occurs. I have kids so Im not worried about fertility but more so my well being and sex life.
2 years with nothing. Prior to that I cruised testE250 weekly with 25mg ed proviron and adex on hand although rarely needed. The last year has really been the downfall of sex life and mental clarity. A lot of stress due to a nasty breakup and again, 3 moves.
Ive reached the conclusion over the last few weeks that Im going to start a solid program since my life has finally settled into a more consistent schedule again. With that being said Im down for a total detox and reboot starting with blood work and aggressive PCT.
Ive found a few posts on the site that mention;
HCG 1000iu weekly at 4 weeks
Clomid 50mg ed/weeks 1-2/ 25mg ed weeks 3-4
Nolvadex 40/40/20/20
and adex on hand for sides
...And other variations of the above protocol. Same compounds but different amounts and times. Clomid as high as 100mg but without Nolvadex, HCG being the only consistent compound at 1000iu weekly.
Vitamins and antioxidants on order already.
Im taking this very seriously hence dissolving my ego on this post, its hard to admit I am castrated... but recovering is more important than my ego.
Im willing to give this a shot and be an example for those who've been in the same boat. I have to assume Im not the only one whose been a dumbass with AAS use. If I cant hash this out then Ill visit the doc.
Hit me up in private message and ill help you out and discuss what i think it should be aswell as dosing and timing schedule.
Get into a good mind state mate it helps.
And stress is a killer bro.
I fully understand about the break up part and the mental effects.
That can also be a contributing factor.
Talk soon mate and remember im australian so check the time zone difference but ill respond as soon as i can.
Youll be right mate
Friend Request sent
Great Stuff mate :-)
Well in light of what TheFlash85 is saying, I will post a link to a study on Medical treatment of male infertility.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4708300/
This is what we need more of here instead of broscience, more facts and/or studies. +2.
I like how they clearly break down the dosage protocols. This was one of the easier studies to follow.
You say you’ve never had blood work but you’ve posted blood work?
-2 for waisting my time
Not while using... Ive had blood work while having been off for several years. Didn't think it was of use for this application
If I was you, I would contact a HRT clinic. They will schedule lab work. A doctor will go over treatment options. It is very concerning that you have no sex drive and still dealing testicular shrinkage. Your body should have bounced back by now. You do not need to cycle right now. You need to treat your current ailments first. You do not want to inflict more harm upon your body. I could recommend all sorts of treatment options but I am not a doctor. I haven't seen your bloodwork. I don't want to give harmful advice. Be honest with your steroid usage with the doctor. They need to know the cause.
Well I definitely wouldn't be considering tren if you're already having issues with your hormones, it'll only make things worse.
I agree with the guys below, i would see a doctor and stabilize my hormones before even considering a cycle.. let alone tren.
Fella, 1 year off everything? Did I read that right?
If yes and you have no balls, you need a doctor.
It would be inappropriate to suggest anything else
Thanks for some honest feedback. Ive been off everything for over 2 years now, Spring 2018 was the last of anything. Moved to different state, going through different jobs and moved a few times since. Its been a rough couple of years.
Yep, well I know how it goes.
Look, the lads will give you a hard time, but don't let that phase you.
What would be great, from a community perspective, would be if you documented your recovery.
You say you have a doctor friend. Still friends?
You see, I can sit here and pontificate to you about my opinion on the best way you can try to recover, and I, or the lads, could well be right about it. But, dude, 2 years no balls. That's a problem.
So, before you even think about running compounds, get that blood test.
Get CBC, Full metabolic, full hormone (with total test free test, estro, prolactin, shbg, thyroid) etc.
That's at least 3 aspects, equally important.
Bring it back here, document it, you will receive a healthy amount of friendly abuse and help at the same time.
But crucially, get chatting with that doctor if possible.
Much appreciated. People judge quickly and react even quicker, these profiles don't bother me. I knew that there would be some understanding guys on the forum so I still posted.
We basically cut ties when I moved states. Ive been researching doctors in the area and found one that blood tests for $150 and consult for $150.
PrivateMD Labs has Hormone Panel for males at $175 includes everything below
Complete Blood Count / CBC (includes Differential and Platelets): WBC, RBC, Hemoglobin, Hematocrit, MCV, MCH, MCHC, RDW, Platelet Count, MPV and Differential (Absolute and Percent - Neutrophils, Lymphocytes, Monocytes, Eosinophils, and Basophils)
Comprehensive Metabolic Profile ( includes eGFR ): Albumin, Albumin/Globulin Ratio (calculated), Alkaline Phosphatase, ALT, AST, BUN/Creatinine Ratio (calculated), Calcium, Carbon Dioxide, Chloride, Creatinine with GFR Estimated, Globulin (calculated), Glucose, Potassium, Sodium, Total Bilirubin, Total Protein, Urea Nitrogen
Estradiol, Ultrasensitive, LC/MS/MS
Insulin-Like Growth Factor I (IGF-I, LC/MS)
Lipid Profile: Cholesterol, total; high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol; low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol (calculated); triglycerides; Non-HDL Cholesterol (calculated)
Prostate-Specific Antigen (PSA)
Testosterone, Free and Total, LC/MS/MS (
This testosterone test will also provide Total Testosterone results when the value is >1500 but <10,000.)
Thyroid Profile w/ TSH: T3 Uptake; T4 (Thyroxine), Total; Free T4 Index (T7); Thyroid-Stimulating Hormone (TSH)
Fuck me, thats expensive.
OK well the test isn't perfect, but good enough.
When you have that, you will know the headline numbers.
Free test is good, estro is good... thats where the rubber hits the road (most low test symptoms are actually low estrogen)
It is missing free to, shbg, prl.... shbg is important as it binds not just test but estro too... estro is 1 of the most important hormones for me.
But thats OK for now, go for it
And prepare to see a decent doc... u really should see 1
Gotta be trolling, obviously never learned from this post in 2015. I don't think he is asking for help at all, just another cosign. says he never used bloodwork, what the fuck is this?
https://www.eroids.com/pics/pre-cycle-blood-work-2
lol
well spotted!
Well, this place is riddled with people that don't learn!
Why would I go through the hastle of writing this detailed post? I got that bloodwork from a doctor friend before entering what would be another botched cycle due to the lack of help from the "community" on this site.
So it's our fault. You've been here 8 years and still have on your training wheels?
Lol
Good catch!
Molinin302Time to find a doc my man.
*I have never used bloodwork and I want to start
*I didn't really run any sort of AI until age 25,
*many cycles starting around age 18
*cruise for 9 months in test E while adding other compounds (this is a cruise?)
And after all this, and looking for guidance to attempt to reverse the damage and get your body functioning properly, you mention in your closing paragraph about having some fun with different compounds and tren has your interest piqued. I'm not sure if you're just all over the place or trolling. Either way, I'd suggest taking a break and seeing a Dr if your interest lies in repairing yourself. I'm not trying to pick on you, but...
Best wishes man, good luck to.you.
I dont think you will have your testicles back by jumping on compounds. Get bloodwork done and your best bet would be an endocrinologist guide you through this. Im sure you need a strong PCT with HMG, HCG, Nolvadex and clomid.Worst than can happen you will be on TRT for life,which you already did by cruising for 9 whole months without any reason.