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AAS use for lean gains? Compound Questions

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Hey Fellas,
I'm pretty dead set on running my 1st AAS cycle this Fall. I have 5 or so cycles of pro-steroids under my belt, but feel its time for real deal. After devouring the logs on a few differnt forums, I was pretty set on a Test e (500e/w) and a 4week Dbol kicker. Now i'm wondering if that is the best idea for my goals. I really love THE PUMP (don't you ; ) and have always wanted to try Dbol (grew up on Arnold like most of ya'll), but I really don't want that bloated look. I then thought maybe I would do 10 weeks at Test-e 250/ew and a low dose (20mg ed) of Dbol kicker.
So watchya all think? I am going for the lean (think Rob Riches) physique. Do you think it is necessary to put on mass first and then cut up, or can I just use compounds to slowly gain lean, cut muscle.

Currently 39, 5'10 and 170. Only carry BF in my lower abs and pecs.

Any suggestions on how to obtain these goals are much appreciatted.

Don't worry, my diet, pct and support sups will be in place.

Cheers

manbearpig's picture

Diet bro. You want lean gains, make sure you start your cycle off at low bf, and never let it over 12%. Avoid eating shit food while
Bulking.

kingzchrist's picture

thanks for input...sound advice coming from MBP..great pics btw

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MONK's picture

If your determined to maintain lean gains (I.e through diet and training) slamming Dbol for 4 weeks even @ 'lower doses' is going to be counter productive.

Plus with it being your first cycle by sticking to one compound (test e) you'll be able to get a feel for how your body reacts to it and also learn to dial in your Ai. Dbol will only complicate the learning process IMO.

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kingzchrist's picture

thanks again! so the general concensus is TEST only ; )lol. so for my size, would you think 250ew is enough? Or should I KS with prop and then cruise on test e @250ew? Or just cruise on Test e @500ew for 10wks? Decisions, decisions.

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MONK's picture

cruising @ 250mg ew....

Your possibly a bit mixed up here. Best thing to do is fill your plans out in a cycle log. There it will be easier to make sense of your cycle and you'll receive accurate advice/critique.

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kingzchrist's picture

yea, i might be misusing that term. but you get my point, right ; ) I didn't really want to lay out a cycle in that forum yet, but get feedback on best way to achieve my goals for lean mass gains. Is there a better forum catagory for these type of questions?

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MONK's picture

Cycle logs is still the best place. There you should Fill All your stats, goals, targets, ideas, previous usage, diet as well as cycle log.

If your willing to listen to the knowledge people give you, you can't go wrong. Many people are just looking for someone to co-sign their crazy cycles. Don't be that guy ;)

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kingzchrist's picture

LOL...ok. I won't be that guy (but i still might take dbol ; )

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Catalyst's picture

Read back what you just wrote, you are kind of being that guy.,...

You've never used test, you don't know how to control estro with test and you want to use dbol, (which aromatises heavily). Don't make the mistake of thinking your ph use changes this. I would strongly advise you to learn to walk before you try running.

You're a big boy, you can make up your own mind,

kingzchrist's picture

? what makes you think i don't know how to control estro? adex, clom and nolva on hand. shoot, I'm on an AI right now...but i hear what your saying. I appreciate the lookout.

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

I'm on an AI right now...

Why ???............ what you running.......

kingzchrist's picture

Just finishing a cut with stano. That's a dht ph just to clairify.

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PIN_CUSHION's picture

Cut? You're 170.

VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Bruce Lee

kingzchrist's picture

bruce lee was like 135 ; ) hey, what can I say. I lost about 4lbs on cut and im 39 and shredded. yeah, im still only 170 hence my 1st REAL cycle :- )

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PIN_CUSHION's picture

(http://www.eroids.com/forum/general/off-topic/let-me-educate-some-of-you) Give this a read and look at the pictures. Not bashing you, but your terminology is a little off. I use to use words like ripped and cut, until I read this.

kingzchrist's picture

LMAO...wow..I stand corrected. So the goal is something between cut and ripped..While I most certainly am not either of those things yet..awesome post.

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PIN_CUSHION's picture

To get there you need to lay down some serious mass so you have something to actually cut. May have to sacrifice some detail, and definition in doing so. I've got 20-30 lbs to put on before I even think about "cutting".

kingzchrist's picture

Which is precisely what I am hoping to do by hopping in the juice, I guess I'm just a little doubtful that my body will go there being a semi ectomorph.

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VIKING EVOLUTION's picture

Seen your selfie.

Catalyst's picture

I said you don't know how to control estro with test. You haven't run test before have you? That's what you wrote.

kingzchrist's picture

Point taken. I appreciate the hardline. It sounds like a test only cycle will be in my future. Once i get it all puchased and laid out I will log it in proper forum.

tx

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Catalyst's picture

Use either the cycle logs or steroid cycles section - will get better visibility there.

GRIMEY's picture

The compounds will not dictate how much lean mass and fat you put on, your diet will.

If you' ve never ran test before, stick with just test as your first real cycle, forget about the dbol for now.

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kingzchrist's picture

appreciate the feedback. i'll consider it. the compounds i ran in the past were no joke, so I'm pretty sure i can handle the dbol ks. I was more looking for input on whether or not guys recomend bulking up prior to cutting or trying to gain slowly? Im only looking to maybe hit 185 peeled. ive been 190 before on Boldadrol, but that was mostly glycogen and water.

cheers!

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GRIMEY's picture

Pick one goal for your cycle either cut or bulk, results will be much better. In a standard cycle there is not enough time to effectively do both.

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kingzchrist's picture

Yeah. its a good point. I understand that the body wants to naturally do one or the other, I've just never enjoyed being "fluffy" so I've always trained and ate for lean gains. so If im looking to be peeled at 185, do you think i should just forgo being lean"ish" and shoot for like 200, then cut up? again, looking mainly for asthetics, not trying to be a mass monster.

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GRIMEY's picture

Its totally up to you. If you dont want to put on access fat or get bloated/fluffy you just need your diet and ai's dialed in.

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