+ 43 getting to know "PIP"
Hey guys, I wanted to drop in and talk a little about PIP or “post injection pain”. I remember when I was first getting started in this game I was always worried about the pain involved with IM (intramuscular) injections. Luckily, all I tried to run my first few years were different combinations of test-e and eq, never already in a blend though, so i never really got PIP. However, then I tried test-450.. everyone at the gym got their gear from the same place, everyone was walking funny from swollen pin sites… the gear was soon named the “450-strut”. Cause it made you walk funny from pain… thought it was the gear, but it was just that high mg/ml content that was falling out of solution in our legs… sound bad, let me explain………
You see PIP is caused by the actual hormone/ester solidifying in your muscle tissue after you pin. See the chemicals (most often Benyzle benzonate and benyzle alcohol) the UGL’s use to make their oils, say CENSORED for instance, have a certain threshold or amount of raw powder that can be dissolved into the oily mixture using these chemicals. Have you ever seen or heard of someone’s gear “crashing”? what happens is the hormones/esters reconstitute or “crystalize” because there is too much “raws” (powders) trying to be dissolved in that given amount of carrier chemicals (BB and BA). Once you understand that you can more understand PIP. See the interstitial fluid in our muscles dilute the oil you pin and thus the hormones/esters crystalize in your muscle. Yea I know right, not cool. Different hormones/esters have different holding levels and different ways in which they will re-solidify or crystalize. Also the hormones all have different temperatures that they solidify at. EQ is a liquid at room temp. therefore very little “carrier chemicals” are needed to keep the compound a liquid in our bodies. Test-prop on the other hand looks tiny bits of sand-like glass when in a raw form, and crystalizes easily and at very high temps. That why test-prop is famous for cause a sore leg or ass; the prop is at 100mg/ml.. well sometimes our bodies suck up the oils before the hormone is absorbed, now the prop you just pinned 12 hours ago is still there except the carrier oils...now you have a little pocket of oil remaining that’s more like 300mg/ml, the hormone crystalizes and the next thing you know you think you have an infection… nope, just a non-infectious cyst half formed glass-like crystals in there.
.. you can best avoid this by first, learning more than just what your lifting buddy told you about gear in the bathroom last week, second by understanding that pinning over 300-400 mg/ml is going to envolve some bit of discomfort if dosed properly, third by NOT listening to people that tell you to pin 2 or 3 ccs of high dose-blends or high mg single compounds at once.. go ask a doctor what happens if you were to pin 500mg’s test at once if you don’t believe me. In fact not getting PIP from a lot of these oils only shows the high skill level most of the top brewers here.
If you are just getting started follow these 3 rules….
1). Always try to pin after a hot shower or bath, it not only helps the muscle receive blood flow to absorb the hormones but it makes for a cleaner pin site to start with
2). Never ever ever pin with the same needle that you used to draw your oils out with.. use a fresh unopened needled.. ALSO USE A FRESH UNOPEN NEEDLE EACH TIME YOU DRAW OLS AS WELL…I laugh when I hear of people using the same needle to draw oils with for their whole cycle.. now that’s a GREAT way to get an infection
3). Don’t pin more than 2cc’s or 500 mg of gear at once. The body must be use to this much and familiar with metabolizing that much at once.
Hope this helped a little…
Your friendly neighborhood Phoenix
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Pinning after a shower or bath is 1/2 and 1/2 . Your muscle is loose and can take the juice and expand easier,. But it also increases the blood flow and sucks out the oil and alcohol faster thus leaving you with more crystals. Hot tub awhile AFTER the shot works best.
cracker1000 mg Per week . Thats for sissys. I prefer that daily. Oh yeah . Im hot horny And hard. Ungh
broke ass.... don't play!
AnonEvery time I inject 1000mg of your cyp in my quads, it hurts for weeks. What should I do? Help!!! And it can't be my technique because my wife is a nurse, or maybe I'm a nurse, regardless it has to be your gear. No way it could my technique since I'm a nurse or was it my wife? I pin the best.
Don't be makin fun of nurses, we do exist here and we do know what we are talking about.
Maybe you should try upping your dose. Maybe add a few more compounds as well. The more oil the better "lubed" your muscles will be. I'm sure that will solve your PIP issue! ;-)
AnonYeah like maybe a couple cc's of bold ace. I hear that's good stuff. I'll have my nurse wife do it so that my technique stays flawless.
Awesome read /thanks for taking the time to write this up
Ya it makes sense the way you just broke it down I would add to it and that would be dont push your gear all at once , 30 sec a cc is a good start , when you pin then push all at once you get pip also !!
Thx,
Hot Shower early morning with warmed oil helped! First cycle and Sust 250 2x per week.
Cheers!
man up you pansies! PIP is what makes a MAN feel ALIVE! I got some Prop 300 from probably the most legit chemist on this site last year and pinned it LIKE A MAN! Did it have some kick? Hells yeah! AND I LOVED IT! A cpl yeas ago I ran a 10 wk short cycle then ran a Prop TRT for 12 wks and was I sore? Hells yeah! But I pushed through with my commitment cuz THATS what MEN do!
Very well said sir. MAN UP YOU PANSIES!!! Lmao
Here we go!.... this is why H got the handle.... HELLBOY!!
You're the man Phoenix! Thanks bro! I knew there was a reason I go to you and Banner and no one else!
Hey bro can I ask u a question
thank you Phoenix!
Any suggestions on how to get rid of the hard knots from pinning the glutes? Would sitting in warm/hot bath water help disolve these knots? Any assistance would be appreciated.
RustyhookerPost your full technique bro. Could be a simple technique issue. Also, some types of oils your body will just not like. Take note of the brands, oils, carriers as each person can have different bodily reactions.
Knotty pip is the worst. If your technique comes out being correct, sometimes changing oils or blending is the way to go
So post up
I heat the oil in warm water for approximately 5 minutes. I use a large guage pin to draw with and a 23g pin to inject with. I pin 1cc test c 250 and 1cc mast e (together). Im currently using Hulks test and Mutas mast and I am pinning e4d's (crusing right now) I rotate from upper right glute to upper left glute usually buy recently I have been pinning the side with the least amount of hard tissue. Im getting ready to do a bulk cycle (as soon as my bloods are done) and I will be pinning e3d's. Funny thing is that I really dont have a lot of pain associated with the injesction. Plus I pin TNE about 4 times a week and I rotate from thigh to glutes..
RustyhookerUsually test e is pip free and mast has always been a great blender. I've used your mast brand with no issues. Technique sounds correct. Guess is that even though you're rotating e3d you're also hitting the same area and TNE is kniwn for some pip. I'd say you need to branch out in your pin sites as well as smaller pins to let those muscles fully recover before another pin. You're on trt cruise so number one thing, even if you didn't blast, is scar tissue and irritation.
Since test/mast typically won't pip try using a 25x1 and add delts and intermedius into your rotation. Smaller pin forces that "30seconds/cc" time, less scar buildup and better dispersion.
Delts for me is 1cc max. Intermedius 2. Quads 2-3. Triceps 1(dont go full 1in into tris). If you look at the current rotation and modify to left ventro, right ventro, left quad, right quad, left intermedius, right intermedius, left delt, right delt....then repeat there's 8 pins before hitting first spot again.
Rotation will be important in advanced cycles because if you run 4cc eod you'll need MANY new unsore areas. Plus for trt longevity you'll have less scar buildup.
Sounds great. My next cycle will include test e, tren, and mast e along with an oral. I really appreciate you taking the time to advise me.
AnonWho downvoted this....come on man shit....this guy is one of the best and he is sharing some valuable information to the new users
+3
you should write a book on this shit... thanks P
Great read. Sent this link to a few bathroom friends.(that could be misconstrued a number of ways)
RomanbrandGreat post, us noobs need info like this!
+1
Hey Bro you say never pin more than 2cc’s or 500 mg of gear at once.
So on your Super blend 600 mg how would you use it?
I am doing 1cc every M-Thur adding 0.5 Test E 300 mg to it.
Thanks,
Trial and error for me. After a pin, normally morning, those days are fine. Second day though I've learned not to do too much with the spot where I pinned because I've had the meds spread from my mid/low back all the way to my hip! But in all realness, I warm my gear prior, always fresh rigs, but I do use one little trick that I learned. I alternate every 2/3 weeks or so from 1" to 1 1/2" needles. Seems the one hits the outside of muscle and once scar tissue and hardness comes I use the other to go way deeper til it starts the same, then repeat. Overall, you get used to it and sometimes you just get one that cripples the fu k out of you for no reason.
I've tried 3 brands of test prop 100 an if came to the realization that test prop is not for me .. I handle pain very well but when I can't move because the pip is so bad just figured its better to let it go ....
the first time I pinned test 400 in my quad I had to use the electric cart at the grocery store. lol
I very much appreciate tips like this from guys like you. I give you a +1, you just have to pretend like it actually means something.
One thing I have done is inject first thing in the morning. That way the use of the muscle all day helps move the compound.
Never pin & go directly to sleep!! You will wake up with bad pip!!
If you're running 600mg/w test e, how does the above work for frontloading 1200mg the first week?
I never go over 500mg at one time learned the hard way 600 supertest and 400 deca in the delt!!! Oh shit!! Nice post!!!!
Such a helpful read, it's articles like this that are truly beneficial to the community.
Glad you posted this for everyone Pheonix. You have helped me in the past with PIP problems.
Very nice read,prop 100 use to put me down but now i handle it pretty good with no problems.Shooting alot of gear seems to not bother me as long as its not a high mg per ml oil.Now i tried some 100/100/100 though,and even if i shot just .5ml mixed with 2ml of reg test it was BAD.But say 1.5ml of test 250 and 1.5ml of deca 300 and i have no problems at all.So i tend to try not to use the big blends even though they are very tempting.
AnonGreat post PHOENIX! There's more and more of the high concentrations being produced compared to years in the past. Coming from a master brewer like you I hope folks pay attention homie.
Great post bro.i did hear if stuff was dosed 300-400 mg ml and theres no pip at all its under dosed.as i have 300 mg ml eq that has no pip at all lol this had me bovad now i will put it down to good brewers... i hope fingers crossed anyways.thumbs up from me bro
Good shit friendly neighborhood phoenix....lol. I just figured out my pip through trial and error over the past week. I got sust 350 and started with a light dose of. 6ml and was pinning 3 times a week. However, Starting last week, I figured I'd go 1ml and pin 2 times a week. Needless to say, I figured out anytime I go over.7 ml in one site, I'm causing some serious pain... and I've just pinned my glutes so far, thank god. Hurt like hell both times, but the first one was the worst when I used a 1 inch pin. Showering first doesn't help me, or didn't seem to... so I'm either gonna cut my shots with more oil or pin less in multiple sites, more often till I get my tolerance up. CENSORED huh? I've heard of them. VENOM!!!!hahahaha +1 sir
Thank you great contribution! +1
this is gonna help out alote of members.
i remember on another forum this one guy said him and his buddy been sharing the same needle for the whole cycle.... other vets and member blast on this guy saying your kidding right? trolling?
he said nope we still use the same needle lol.
there is fine pixs showing what happen to the sharpness of the needle once it is used once to draw out gear and a second time looks very painful and doll.
I like it Phoenix +2 brother.
Awesome Phoenix +1 brotha
Greekmuscle1+1 very true
I remember brutal pip in my glutes from some test 400 many moons ago. Actually lost weight that cycle because the pain was so bad I couldn't work out and didn't want to eat. The guy I got it from simply said that it was all part of it and real men just dealt with it and moved on. That guy was a dick though.
warm the gear before injection.
AnonNice one, Bro! +1 and bookmarked that shit!
QV1170GREAT info on PIP and how to avoid/minimize it Bro +1 great read!!!!!
RustyhookerBoom! Good and complete post
Informative... Looking forward to more topics from you sir!