posted Tue, 06/25/2013 - 17:07
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Planned next cycle
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STATS, DESCRIPTION, GOALS
So just wanted to lay down a foundation of my proposed next cycle. I'm playing around with HCG and Aromasin in the next go round so what I put is not definite. Same goes with all the hormones. Currently sitting at 220 with 8-9% body fat, aiming to "naturally" get to 210-215 7-6% body fat before starting my next cycle. And by the way, I react very, very well to Tren (no sides) that is the only reason I have it in here but I do not mind dropping it at all. Blood work will be taken before, during and after cycle, and blood pressure will be monitored very closely for precaution.
Test Cyp or Sustanon up in the air!
Week | Test Cyp | EQ Cyp | Tren E | Mast E | Caber | Aromasin | HCG | Clomid | Nolva | HMG |
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1 | 500mg M/W/F | 800mg M/W/F | 800mg M/W/F | 500mg M/W/F | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||
2 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||
3 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||
4 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||
5 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||
6 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
7 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
8 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
9 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
10 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
11 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
12 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
13 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
14 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
15 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
16 | 500mg | 800mg | 800mg | 500mg | .5mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 250IU x2 | |||
17 | .25mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 85IU ED | |||||||
18 | .25mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | 85IU ED | |||||||
19 | .25mg x2 | 6.25 EOD | ||||||||
20 | 6.25 EOD | 2000IU EOD | (300mg first day) 150mg ED | (80mg First Day) 40mg ED | ||||||
21 | 6.25 EOD | 2000IU EOD | 100mg ED | 40mg ED | ||||||
22 | 6.25 EOD | 50mg ED | 20mg ED | |||||||
23 | 6.25 EOD | 50mg ED | 20mg ED |
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Start the aromasin and HCG since day 1. Why are you waiting is just do not make any sense...
aromatization and shutdown start as soon as you inject exogenous aas... It makes no sense to wait...
Drop the aromasin during PCT It's damn useless...
Yes aromasin help to increase Testosterone but it do it by diminish E2 and SHBG, However when you are on nolvadex and clomid the receptor of E2 are completely blocked(that's why they work to increase LH/FSH)
So dropping your E2 more will only make you have difficulty to keep it hard and have dry and painful joint.
And your SHBG is already supose to be fucking low because high testosterone lower SHBG and when you have over 7 times the testostewrone you should normally have your SHBG is pretty low...
300mg clomid!!! GODDAMMIT! Absolutely no need to, I understand the frontload Idea but with a half life this short its useless to waste so much. and still 150mg is really high, if you ened that much is because your source is way underdosed.
Same thing apply to nolvadex, 80mg is a very high dose... 40 will be plenty... To recover from a heavy cycle like this you are better to increase the time you are on PCT instead of increasing the dose of clomid/nolva...
do 6 weeks of PCT instead of high dose...
IMO equipoise is a waste when used with tren... Tren WAY overpower EQ... Anyway that's your choice.
Plus, to limit the progestin side I would diminish the sustanon to 100-200mg/week. Will greatly reduce the side of tren, but with all the cabergoline you take you should be fine.
good luck.
safetyfirst21While I wouldn't want to front load a high amount of Clomid, as it gives me a vagina. Your info is slightly off. Clomid has a half-life of 5-7 days. A front load is very common for saturation reasons. See my other comment below.
I strongly disagree. First of all estrogen takes a while to build up and his prop dose is very low. Also Extended use of HCG is also a terrible idea because after a while your body gets used to it and you not only start getting diminishing returns but it's benefits disappear and you are actually doing more harm than help. Do a little reading about HCG abuse and LH desensitization, it's not a good thing and the opposite of what we are using it for.
Another bad idea. Ever heard of clomid desensitization? Too much clomid for extended use is not a good thing.
You are terribly wrong here. EQ and Tren go together beautifully. Very synergistic and many people enjoy the combo. It's a tried and true stack and has been around forever. Many benefits are seen when EQ is added.
Not necessary. The extra test is good for growth and should help maintain a good ratio of test to tren. Many people (myself included) prefer a moderate dose of test along with tren. Not everyone prefers low test with tren. Also he's taking caber and AI so that is not needed.
Aromasin also takes a time to build up, and he use Prop plus sustanon who have short ester in it. So Estrogen will build up VERY fast.
Long term use of HCG is count in years not in weeks and 500ui/week is very low dose.
However, when testicle are shutdown for too long it could make them insenistive to LH AND HCG.
I got a friend who must take over 2000UI/weeks because he has been shutdown for a years, Only a years and he have 2000ui to takes...
Yes, the testiscle get used to, however they get faster use to being shutdown.
Another thing the desensitization like you say, is with a LONGTERM use, not 2 week more...
If he like EQ/tren go ahead. But for lot of people EQ is a complete waste no matter with what it is used...
If it fit your needs, go ahead and have fun with it.
Like above, some prefer low test with tren, easier side to manage, but if you are not prone to side effect, you can increase the dose. everyone is different, you feel good with moderate dose, go ahead.
And I personnaly prefer pramil over cabergoline, Pramil do the same as caber with more other beneficial stuff, But cabergoline do his job perfectly.
safetyfirst21Aromasin technically starts working after the first administration. A few days and the effects have kicked in fully. Aromasin is used in PCT for many things; lowering e2(important for many reasons), increase LH and FSH, and allow for a lower dose of Nolva which is generally high to prevent gyno(like this). He takes a large dose of Clomid for saturation reasons, this one takes a little time to kick in. Our bodies get used to Clomid much easier/faster than HCG. Boldenone and Trenbolone would be great together. The vascularity achieved with a low bf would be amazing. Bold's increase in appetite paired with Tren's significant increase in metabolism, protein synthesis, and igf-1 increase make for a "perfect" combo.
Agreed on the prami. I'm using prami 0.4mg ed.
He's also not using eq hes using bold cyp which is slightly quicker acting. Most people that don't like EQ don't use it long enough or high enough dose.
HCG desensitization occurs rapidly. Personally I do not use it for longer than 4 weeks at a time. Typically I run 4 weeks on 3 weeks off with HCG and see best results doing that.
The aromasin beginning later is ultimately up top the OP. If he notices estrogen sides earlier I'm sure he will start earlier. Unless he is ultra sensitive to estrogen he should be fine.
safetyfirst21Studies show that HCG desensitization occurs after, very, prolonged periods, or extremely high doses. A study I read showed desensitization occurring after multiple 7000iu administrations. I bought the desensitization thing too, I even gave it for advice. After commenting with Muta I decided to research it more. It takes a very large dose repeatedly (doses not approved by the FDA), or a very long period of time.
There, made it into a BOSS cycle lol
Nice!! You are going to get JACKED.
Haha I can't run masteron (hairloss) but I'm sure that will keep you looking and feeling like a god being added to this cycle
running same exact cycle except with adex. Perfect