+ 1 EQ Exploration: A Different Viewpoint
This is one of my crazy ideas that are floating around in my head. What i've tried to do here is to make the standard Test/EQ (Undecylenate ester) more effective by incorporating two other ester variants of the same Boldenone compound, namely Boldenone Acetate and Boldenone Cypionate. So rather than waiting multiple weeks for the Undecylenate ester to kick in, why not have an immediate effect with the use of the Boldenone Acetate, which will be followed up by the Boldenone Cypionate ester and then finally by the Undecylenate ester.
Obviusly you need some form of Test in EVERY cycle, so í've tried to replicate the same idea with Testosterone Propionate which will be followed up by Testosterone Enanthate and if you wanted to, im sure you could include the Testosterone Deconate into the mix.
This is a prototype, whereby the AI, hCG and PCT and Testosterone dosages are irrelevant in this case...
...What i'm looking for is your opinions on this cycle layout, making effective use of all the esters available on today's AAS market while maintaining a cycle which is as efficient as possible.
ALL opinions are welcomed 
| Week | Testosterone Propionate | Testosterone Enanthate | Boldenone Acetate | Boldenone Cypionate | Boldenone Undecylenate | Aromasin | hCG | Nolvadex | Clomid |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||
| 2 | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||
| 3 | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||
| 4 | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||
| 5 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||||
| 6 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||||
| 7 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||||
| 8 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | ||||
| 9 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 10 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 11 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 12 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 13 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 14 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 15 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 16 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 17 | 600mg/wk | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 18 | 100mg EOD | 600mg/wk | 12.5mg/EOD | 500IU/wk | |||||
| 19 | 100mg EOD | ||||||||
| 20 | 100mg EOD | ||||||||
| 21 | 100mg EOD | ||||||||
| 22 | 12.5mg/EOD | 40mg/ED | 100mg/ED | ||||||
| 23 | 12.5mg/EOD | 40mg/ED | 100mg/ED | ||||||
| 24 | 6.25mg/EOD | 20mg/ED | 50mg/ED | ||||||
| 25 | 6.25mg/EOD | 20mg/ED | 50mg/ED |
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Buildbigger86P, I love your cycles BROTHA!!!!! MUCH RESPECT!!!
Anoni know this is an old thread, but i'm curious to know what you came up with at the end of all this? i like the idea of a kicker for test and bold. i'm actually doing the same thing with my next cycle. bold cyp was not an option for me, since i have a decent amount of eq. my ace kicker will be 6 weeks. a lot of controversy floating around about when it actually kicks. the half life of this particular ester, however, is 16.5 days. as each injection reaches half life and the dosages compound, it seems reasonable to me that the true peak would be around 5-6 weeks - give or take - as the first weeks dose leaves the system.
i agree with fast below. when both esters kick, you're looking at twice the dose, which IMO is entirely too much.
I'm currently entering week 9 of this cycle http://www.eroids.com/cycle_logs/ps-cycle-adventure and this EQ exploration is a potential idea i had for my next cycle.
My plan so far, for this type of cycle layout, is to run the EQ ace and cyp alongside the test prop and cyp/enan, so you have the most effective 12+ week cycle, as opposed to waiting for the undecylenate ester to kick in. Although, another idea for me, at a later stage will be to run this cycle layout, with all three bold esters - that imo will be the ultimate bold cycle and definitely has be intrigued!
In your case Dossier, i would think about frontloading the bold undecylenate ester, so youve got the ace to kickstart the cycle, and as opposed to the gap inbetween, where the unde. ester will be kicking in, it would have already been kicked in..
Anoni'm gonna let my inner newb kick in here and finally ask someone to explain to me what front- and backloading means. seen the term used often but never devoted any time into understanding what it means. i am mostly a fan of using short esters for kickers and tapers. i feel this is suffient for stable levels and an earlier kick.
Front-loading - What is front-loading?
Loading the compound in the first weeks to facilitate its access in the blood stream.
We all know that when we are going to run an injectable steroids cycle with long esters (test E, C, Deca, Bold, Primo) we should have to wait 3 to 6 weeks to get a the called "kick", meaning a full peak of the compound's activity, in order to reach the maximum anabolic state and keep it until the end of the cycle.
Needless to say that when we are in a high anabolic state, protein synthesis is raised, and this is the time to add some good calories to fully avail of the massive transport of amino-acids in the muscle cells.
FRONT LOADING the long esterified compound in the first week doubleing the dose. This is in my opinion the most effective manner to get benefits yet from the first weeks of a long esterified steroid intake.
I'm gonna explain this more---
Main Long Esters Active-Life:
Enanthate : 8 days
Undecylenate : 7-9 days
Cypionate : 14-16 days
Decanoate : 15-17 days
Let's example a 14 days-active ester.
Since any esterified compound is expelled from the body after its active-life duration, we will assume a theoretic injection protocol of 1 shot per week (every 7 days, its half-activity, or half-life).
Standard injection protocol at 500mg/week for 4 weeks:
WEEK 1 : 500mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 250mg
WEEK 2 : 500mg + 250mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 375mg
WEEK 3 : 500mg + 375mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 437.5mg
WEEK 4 : 500mg + 437.5mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 468.75mg
This is to demonstrate that we won't never get those 500mg we're injecting every week all the time as the minimum amount of compound guaranteed in the blood.
So how do I make sure to have at least the amount of gear I'm injecting every week regularly circulating in the blood?
This is freaking simple, you just have to add 1 and nothing more than 1 more dosage of the substance in the first week. Just there.
This concept is easily intelligible following the example:
WEEK 1 : 1000mg (2x500mg); substance left at the end of the current week: 500mg
WEEK 2 : 500mg + 500mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 500mg
WEEK 3 : 500mg + 500mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 500mg
WEEK 4 : 500mg + 500mg; substance left at the end of the current week: 500mg
And so on...
By Front-loading and using a kick start--it is the fastest way to getting quick results from long esters--and to get your blood levels stable and to the highest point.--The faster this can happen the faster protein syntheses will occur and that great Kick you wait for from using long esters.
References:
Drugs Active-Lives: Chemical Muscle Enhancement by Author L. Rea
Anonperfect explanation and worthy of another point. welcome to lvl 2 brother! can i encourage you to copy and paste this to an individual thread? i think a lot of guys would find this useful.
i've been wanting to create an excel spreadsheet that will calculate the compounding effect of the esters using the half life and active life. if only i could find a reputable and accurate listing of these figures, i could do so.
i may decide to do this instead of buying some bold ace, since i have 3 extra bottles of eq. how many weeks would you recommend front loading 1200mg of eq? 4 or 6
Here's one ways you can front-load your EQ:
Consider the half life of EQ for instance. 14 days.
If you would do this normally at... lets say 600/wk then after 2 weeks without any injection you would have 800 ish half life residue + 600 (injection) = 1400mg in your blood. This is what is actually effective on your receptors. It is slow releasing. In theory frontloading the amount you would normally have at the week that the substance is supposed to "kick in" will have it kicking in right away.
For the EQ you may do 1200mg for week 1 and resume normal dosing for the rest of the cycle if you're doing a 12 wk cycle. If you're planning a shorter one then preload EQ a bit more, but I wouldn't consider doing a 8 week cycle on EQ alone.
Also, have a look at this thread, i found it very useful: http://www.eroids.com/forum/steroids-qa/steroid-cycles/front-loading-vs....
Thanks bro!
Try using these tools:
http://www.roidcalc.com/
http://pct.befit4free.net/
Anonplaying with the roidcalc now. i started with the 600 a week split to see what levels would look like. i was right that they peek on week 5. they reach about 1600 +/- here and remain within range the duration of the cycle. when i did a front load for 4 weeks, levels peek week 4 at nearly 2800. then steadily declined until it stabilizes around 2000 closer to week 8. not crazy about this of course. but, if i front load for 2 weeks, levels reach 1800 by week 3 and remain at this dose consistently. i'm liking this one the most. what do you think?
Haha, glad to see your having fun bro
Yep, the third option is definitely the best, although you don't peak as high, you reach your peak by week 3, and then that peak is maintained throughout the rest of the cycle. So this way is clearly the best option for running an eq ace + eq und cycle.
Anonyes, i agree. i appreciate you showing this to me. you've just added a valuable tool to my toolbox, and my cycle formulating will only get better from here. good looking out. really though, you should copy and paste that front loading bit to a thread of its own. maybe even throw in the roidcalc and pct calc links for a tool.
Anonyou got my wheels spinning over here! i'm a bit of a nerd when it comes to certain things.. i am def gonna create a self calculating spreadsheet to demonstrate the compounding effects of the various esters now.. i may even try to post the values once i get it working.
hell, by applying this same concept into my cycle log, i can log my cycle in excel as well and have it illustrate my current levels using these variables.
I'm sure you've already seen this site or know how to do site injections but here it is for the basics and other muscle groups
http://www.spotinjections.com/index3.htm
Why not front load both long esters...use Test cyp 600..and Bold cyp.600.12-14weeks...and use 100mg ED of Test prop..and bold ace ...the whole cycle....similar numbers as cycle above bout 1-1.2g both EQ and Test..just an idea after reading the idea above
i dont like the over lap of thew two bolds in the middle of your cycle
Bold cyp kicks week 5....bold u week 9......avoid the 1200spike. Honestly I'd run the test/cyp 12week. More bang in short time. Also, your taper needs 3 Weeks with und. End week earlier.
Overall, i see way too much oil having to be absorbed. Frontload 1200og bold u or cyp run right with the test and prop taper.
Gotcha! Frontloading is another option which I have also been thinking about...ill drop an update on this layout. Also another option is to only use the Bold Ace and Cyp in addition to the Test Prop and Cyp ester and make the cycle length shorter by dropping the Undecylenate ester
Always good to look outside the box! An eq blend like epp/ecyp//ebold would be a cool idea and less oil to absorb. The eq cyp has my intrests though because just as test e begins pumping...sou would eq. Eroids is like christmasland!
Definitely bro, just trying to come up with some innovative ideas! True, but with the concentrated dosages we have available today were pumping in less oil anyway and i'm sure a 6 site pinning rotation would be sufficient.
Also, as a side note, for the even more experienced AAS users, Primo and 1-Test could also be added to this cycle
Some interesting ideas here mate. I'm still intending a long EQ run Spring time next year so suggest we have a chat about it.
FYI, there's a source here on eroids that carries an EQ blend. It's 50mg EQ ace/75mg EQ prop/100mg EQ undecylenate per ml. It would be better if they swapped the undecylenate ester for cyp, IMO.
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How about some boldenon? That would be great, bold ace, prop, cypionate, and undecylenate!!!