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First cycle with Test, Primo, EQ, and oral Winstrol (and arimadex of course)

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I've been on TRT and done some SARMS with really really good responses.

This would all be during a cut so I can get some hard gains and hopefully cruise after and keep most of the gains

Do you see any issues with this? Would love feedback!

Weekly amounts:

Test E: 200 mg/week
Primo: 1200/16 = 75 mg/week
Equipoise: 6000/16 = 375 mg/week

Per administration M,W,F (3x/week, split evenly):

Test E: 200/3 ≈ 66.7 mg/dose
Primo: 75/3 = 25 mg/dose
Equipoise: 375/3 = 125 mg/dose

Converting to units (1mL = 100 units):

Test E (200 mg/mL): 66.7/200 = 0.333 mL ≈ 33 units
Primo (100 mg/mL): 25/100 = 0.25 mL = 25 units
Fill with Test E and Primo up to 58 units then the rest with EQ
Equipoise (300 mg/mL): 125/300 = 0.417 mL ≈ 42 units

Injection Administration: Per dose total: 33 + 25 + 42 = 100 units (right at syringe's capacity)

Oral Administration:
1. Winstrol 25mg (half a tab) 1-2x daily
2. ½ mg Arimadex M/W/F (adjust if needed)

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I stopped reading half way through… you need to do a lot of reading.

Good luck man

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Skinnyboy63's picture

If it's your first cycle just up the test to 500mg wk an figure out how your body reacts to it before adding any other compounds so in case you get into trouble you will know which one the troubles coming from
Keep primo-EQ-winnie for your 3-4 cycle I would do a couple of only test cycles so you know plus get blood work every 4-6 weeks good luck bud

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TheParrotMan's picture

Thank you!

Skinnyboy63's picture

No problem buddy if you ever need an advice send me a friend request shoot me a message I'll help you out without all the negative replies

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Pandateston's picture


The bros below already gave you some solid advice, even if some of them came in a little hot.

Main concern here is structure.

You’re coming from TRT/SARMs and trying to introduce Test above TRT, Primo, EQ, Winstrol and Arimidex all at once during a cut. That’s too many new variables to know what’s doing what.

Sometimes the smartest move is to keep it bread and butter.

Why not run Test by itself first at an actual cycle dose, see how you respond, get bloodwork after 12-16 weeks, and actually learn your own aromatization, side effects, blood pressure, lipids, E2 response, etc.?

Then, if everything looks good, next run you can add one compound, like a DHT derivative, and learn that response too.

Throwing everything in at once doesn’t make the cycle more advanced. It just makes it harder to manage when something goes wrong.

The guys here are trying to help you, believe it or not.

Rethink the setup before you pin it, brother.

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TheParrotMan's picture

Thank you!

Jockstrap's picture

Hes trolling bro....

Milfpounder's picture

Panda looking like the lead singer of ghost

Nukeproof's picture

This is wild. For a first go at it especially...what is your trt dose? 150ish mg a week? Try slowly goin up to double and then maybe triple that over a few weeks seeing how you feel along the way.

This is jumping in deeep. Keep it as simple as you can.
Thats alot of adex and not much test. When I was on trt dose taking adex crashed my e and I've never felt soo shitty and depressed. That was 1/2 g a week. I would go more by feel than number vs "reference range". Everyone is different and I feel good when my e is above average. Learned the hard way

TheParrotMan's picture

Thanks brother, I understand the whole e2 thing much better now.

Jockstrap's picture

Sounds legit!!! Post pix!!

Mrtommorrow1987's picture

Buddy you about to have negative estrogen

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press1's picture

On your first cycle just increase your Testosterone dose to 400 or 500mg/wk - that's all thats needed.

TheParrotMan's picture

Thank you!

VowOfHatred850's picture

Gotta be a troll post

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Hungryhead420's picture

That’s a big first cycle

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Codeman253's picture

First cycle is going to be your last bro this is an awful idea. In fact you should probably reduce your trt dose based on your responses

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TheParrotMan's picture

There's only 1 person in here who actually offered advice and not just call me an idiot. Of course im an idiot, im a beginner thats the whole point of asking.

This place seems more like a circle jerk (sometimes literally from the gay comments) than a place for getting real help or info

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Bro you were given advice that was dead on because the tone of it you you took it as people calling you an idiot? You can’t come on here be a douche and then play victim. And if you can’t take the heat get out the kitchen these dudes are trying to save you from yourself so if it comes off harsh so fucking what. Man up big dawg.

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randomdude's picture

Asks for feedback

Gets feedback

“NO! NOT LIKE THAT!”

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Storm Ayden's picture

I'm going to give you actual reasons instead of just calling you an idiot. The conclusion everyone's reaching that this will hurt you is correct, and here's the actual pharmacology so you understand why, not just that people are telling you no.
The core problem: you're about to crush your estrogen into the ground, and that's genuinely dangerous, not just uncomfortable.
You've stacked three things that all lower estrogen, and then added a fourth on top. Watch:

EQ has anti-estrogen activity boldenone competes for aromatase and its metabolite suppresses your test's conversion to estradiol. At 375mg that's significant.
Primo (methenolone) doesn't aromatize at all and has mild anti-estrogenic activity. So it's not contributing estrogen and it's slightly lowering it.
Winstrol doesn't aromatize either, and at only 200mg test, you've got very little aromatizing compound in the whole stack to begin with.
Then you add Arimidex 0.5mg M/W/F on top of all that.

So you've got low test (200mg, your only real aromatizing compound), two compounds actively suppressing estrogen (EQ and primo), and then an aromatase inhibitor stacked on top. Your E2 isn't going to be low it's going to be obliterated. The thread's "e2 has left the chat" jokes are right they're not wrong about the outcome.
Why crashed estrogen is actually dangerous this is the part you need to internalize:
Estrogen isn't just a "female hormone" you want to minimize. In men it's essential and protective:

Cardioprotective estrogen maintains healthy lipids and vascular function. Crash it and your cardiovascular risk goes up.
Neuroprotective it protects brain function and mood. Crashed E2 causes depression, anxiety, brain fog, and anhedonia (inability to feel pleasure).
Joint and bone health estrogen is critical for bone density and joint health. Crashed E2 means achy, brittle joints and, over time, bone loss.
Libido and erectile function crashed estrogen kills libido and erectile function even with plenty of testosterone. You need E2 for sexual function.
General wellbeing crashed E2 makes you feel genuinely awful: no energy, no mood, no drive, joints that hurt with every movement.

So crashing your estrogen doesn't make you more shredded or harder it makes you depressed, soft in libido, achy, and cardiovascularly worse off. It's not a path to better results; it's a path to feeling terrible and damaging your health.
Now add the winstrol, and you've got a joint disaster:
Here's why the winstrol is especially bad in this stack. Winstrol negatively affects collagen synthesis and dries out your joints (reduces synovial fluid). It's notorious for tendon injuries and joint problems for exactly this reason. Bodybuilders use it for the dry, hard, shredded look right before a show that's a cosmetic, short-term, peak-week effect and they accept the joint risk for that specific payoff. You're proposing to run it 1-2x daily during a regular cut for "hard gains," which means you're taking on the joint damage for no good reason.
And critically: you're stacking the winstrol's collagen/joint-drying effect on top of already-crashed estrogen, which is itself terrible for joints. So you've got two things simultaneously destroying your joint health crashed E2 and winstrol. Your joints are going to be brittle, dry, and at serious risk of tendon injury. This is how people tear tendons and end up injured. The thread's "your bones will turn to dust" is hyperbole, but the underlying point crashed E2 plus winstrol equals wrecked joints is real.
The DHT-derivative point you're missing:
When you run a DHT-derived compound (and you've got winstrol, a DHT derivative, in here), you need to keep your estrogen in a healthy range, not crashed, because the DHT compounds combined with no estrogen is exactly the recipe for the joint, mood, and libido problems above. You don't run DHT derivatives into a crashed-E2 environment that's the worst combination for how you'll feel and for your joints.
The thing nobody's mentioned about your bloodwork:
You said you're above the reference range for E2 on 140mg TRT, so you "convert easy." That's actually important and it changes things but not in the direction you think. It means your baseline aromatization is high, but in THIS stack, the EQ and primo are going to suppress that conversion, AND you're adding an AI. So your "I convert easy" doesn't protect you here the anti-estrogen compounds plus the AI will override your natural tendency and crash you anyway. Also, one technical thing: EQ will read as estrogen on a standard E2 test. Boldenone's metabolites can interfere with the standard (ECLIA/immunoassay) E2 test, so your E2 reading may look higher than your actual estradiol. You'd need a sensitive (LC-MS/MS) E2 assay to know your real estradiol on an EQ cycle. So if you go by a standard E2 test, you might think your E2 is fine while your actual estradiol is crashed and you'd keep taking the AI based on a falsely reassuring number. This is a real trap on EQ cycles.
What I'd actually tell you to do:
You've only ever run TRT and SARMs. Jumping to test + primo + EQ + winstrol + an AI all at once means you have no idea how any of these three new compounds affects you individually, let alone combined. That's the real problem not that the compounds are evil, but that you're introducing four new variables simultaneously with no baseline for any of them.
If you're set on running a cycle:

Run test only first, at a real cycle dose, and learn how your body responds your E2, your sides, your response before ever stacking exotics. This is the standard "first real cycle" advice for a reason.
Drop the AI entirely to start and see where your E2 actually lands (on a sensitive assay), because with all your anti-estrogen compounds you very likely won't need it, and if you do, you titrate to symptoms, not a number.
Drop the winstrol. It's a show-prep cosmetic compound with real joint costs, and you're not prepping for a show. It has no place in a cut for "hard gains" you're taking joint damage for an aesthetic effect you don't even need.
If you must add one compound to test, primo is the gentlest and would be the reasonable choice run it closer to a 1:1 ratio with test (or lower) depending on how much you aromatize, not as an afterthought. But honestly, test alone first.
Reta for the cut is a far better and safer addition than winstrol if your goal is cutting while preserving muscle it actually helps the cut without destroying your joints.

The bottom line, straight:
This isn't people calling you an idiot for fun your specific stack crashes your estrogen (dangerous for your heart, brain, joints, mood, and libido) and adds winstrol on top (which destroys joint health), while introducing four new compounds at once so you'll have no idea what's causing what when it goes wrong. The result won't be hard, dry gains it'll be a depressed, achy, low-libido version of you with brittle joints and worse cardiovascular health. Run test only, learn your response, ditch the AI until you know you need it, drop the winstrol entirely, and if you want help cutting, use reta, not a joint-wrecking show-prep drug. That's the actual advice follow it or not up to you.

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TheParrotMan's picture

Thank you! awesome.

sandman3698's picture

In all fairness, your cycle looks like you didn't do a terrible amount of research. This stuffs not really something to be taken so nonchalant or injected willy nilly. You even try to look up what a beginner cycle looks like? You even research these compounds and understand what they do?

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SeeOhShow's picture

Nope just wants to be spoon fed

Storm Ayden's picture

Yup okay

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sandman3698's picture

All that shit AND arimadex........ ouch.

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Khandum's picture

Bro your e2 is gonna be at fucking 0 with all the eq and primo. Your joints are gonna be so bridle, then you pop some Winnie and your bones are gonna turn into dust. Don’t do this to yourself bro, you’re gonna hate life and just plain right out hurt yourself.

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Petecastiglione's picture

Have fun with your beyond tanked estrogen

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Pumped_'s picture

Cuz said "and arimidex of course", thinking that will give him immunity to you guys roasting him. Reddit says "throw that line in when asking questions so it make you sound like a guru" lol
Check back in 2 weeks after starting 1.5mg a week of arimidex with low test and all that EQ.

Treat the symptoms not the number

Goonsterrr's picture

Buddy is going to be arimadexing his E2 to the ground.
Plus that EQ gunna raise his horse Estrogen ( E1 ) so high he’s going to turn into a horse by the time the cycle ends

Goonsterrr's picture

Buddy is going to be arimadexing his E2 to the ground.
Plus that EQ gunna raise his horse Estrogen ( E1 ) so high he’s going to turn into a horse by the time the cycle ends red

Milfpounder's picture

So you've never run

  • primo
  • equipoise
  • winny
  • anything above 140 test

    and want to try all 3 new compounds at the same time and see how it works out?

Also you mention this being in a cut so you can keep ur "GAINZ" afterwards. You won't get any gains in a cut. You don't built muscle out of steroids, unfortunately.

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TheParrotMan's picture

I forgot I did a Tren only cycle about a year ago and was fine

Milfpounder's picture

Haha yes. Clean, dry, family friendly gainz.

I'm just about talked into tren.

TheParrotMan's picture

When someone named "milfpounder" offers absolutley no advice or feedback aside from "youre an idiot". I tend to think that person is an idiot, or a child/broke fat person behind a keyboard with nothing better to do

Milfpounder's picture

Usually when someone calls themselves the "money man" they still live with mommy.

You're an idiot. Seriously. Read the rest of the replies here if you need further evidence.

You came in trying to sound all "fancy pants" with your weirdly added up compound dosing amounts and schedule and none of it passed the sniff test. You have zero idea what to expect out of any one of those compounds, let alone 3 of them other than "dry gains".

Doesn't work like that and you will hurt yourself if you elect to deploy your proposed cycle as listed.

Good luck.

And congrats on looking better than me.

TheParrotMan's picture

Well i look better than you already so i think im good

sandman3698's picture

Not sure why his answer triggered you so hard. Its correct.

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SeeOhShow's picture

Oh I’ll chime in here. Everything milf said is correct. And I look better than you already….soooo yea?

Petecastiglione's picture

You definitely don’t lol. Regardless, you’re still a bitch

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Milfpounder's picture

Aww thanks bud. This is one of those guys that's just gonna start talking huge shit to everyone until Greg launches him into the sun. Almost not even worth it.

Petecastiglione's picture

Yea I’ll be looking forward to adding him to the list

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Milfpounder's picture

I'm already pregaming my chub right now. Just patting it gently waiting for this Gaylord to erupt.

Milfpounder's picture

You're off to a good start here.

OscarWildwood's picture

e2 has left the chat

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shredski's picture

Lmfao

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shredski's picture

Dude no offense but it’s very clear you have no idea what you’re doing. First sarms are trash (exclude maybe yk11). If all you ran is trt why are you adding all this shit to an hypothetical “first cycle”

Do you have bloodwork?

Do you know how your e2 responds to test only and is an ai even necessary?

Are you aware of the ai effects of EQ and Primo?

Like @SeeOhShow said this is an absolute nightmare recipe I think you should stick to test only maybe add some Reta to the stack for the cut l.

Idk seems like you need a lot of help here you can dm me if you want but this ain’t it bud

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TheParrotMan's picture

Im above the reference range for e2 when im on 140mg trt l, so i convert easy.

I figured if i bump the test up to 200 that would give me more eq to work with. Seems like if i cut out the ai id probably be fine.

Thoughts?

TheParrotMan's picture

Damn, ill dm u