+ 2 GH first time user. Any thoughts?
What do you think? What would you do differently if it were your first time?
I’m about to start GH for the first time and I’m planning to run this protocol for 160 days:
Total GH: 640 IU
Dose: 4 IU daily — 2 IU fasted + 2 IU pre-workout (Day 1–160)
Cruise (Day 1–100):
• 150 mg Test E
• 150 mg Masteron Prop
Twice a week (Monday & Thursday)
Blast (Day 101–160):
• 150 mg Test E
• 250 mg Supermix ZPHC (70 mg Tren A, 70 mg Test Phenylprop, 100 mg Masteron Prop, 10 mg Trestolone A)
Every other day
Retatrutide:
• 2–4 mg weekly to help with cutting and possible GH-induced insulin resistance
Anastrozole:
• On hand, only if high estrogen symptoms show up
Goal:
Get lean and dry while maintaining some size. I’ll be in a calorie deficit during the whole protocol.
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did you see any hair issue with Mast P? I am on edge to start
No, not really. I always use Mast because it helps with testosterone side effects, since I personally aromatize very easily. E2 naturally high. Ive heard that ghkcu may help with hairloss throughout cycles.
It’s dope it adds fluid inside your muscles keeps you fuller looking. I take it 2 hours pre work out good pumps not as good as igf1 but still good.
You are about to get huge bro.
HGH fucking rocks. My all time favorite.
I hope so bro hahaha
Sorry sir, lots of things not to like.
Not a fan of morning nor fasted GH.
Fasted GH has the high potential to mess w insulin sensitivity. Also, morning application of GH is tricky as GH has the potential side effect of increased lethargy & sleepiness.
As the other member mentioned, also would recommend taking your one dose prior to bed.
Another issue is you have a 100 day "cruise" portion. Not sure why , unless you are on required doctor perscribed TRT.
Now, under your "cruise" portion you also have stated utilizing a prop compound only twice weekly. Twice weekly injections is not appropriate when utilizing the prop ester for virtually any application.
Would recommend to go back to the drawing board & reevaluate the plan.
I've done some anecdotal studying on this subject, and have concluded that the only worthwhile way to take GH in the am fasted is if you are planning and able to stay fasted for 3+ hrs post injection.
I don't see the benefit at all taking hgh in the morning, as we grow in our sleep. I take 100% of my hgh pre bed.
If you're looking for a massive PWO pump, try glycerol monosterate and glycine pwo. Biggest fucking pumps of your life.
It’s funny because where I come from, specialists in athletes say the exact opposite about GH haha. They even say it’s a waste to take GH before bed because you’d suppress your endogenous GH, leaving only the exogenous.
About the propionate in the cruise, that’s incorrect — it’s actually Masteron enanthate.
Nothing is funny at all.
Think about what you just wrote for a minute.
A basic fundamental of being "on", is while you take exogenus supra-physiological compounds like steroids and or HGH you supress your nature levels.
It also doesnt matter if your natural levels are supressed because you are making up for it and more. As is the entire point of being "on".
Likewise the entire point of PCT is recover the body post cycle back to effective normal levels.
When I said “funny,” I meant how knowledge is shared differently across parts of the world. I wasn’t dismissing your opinion at all, in case it came across that way.
That information about GH came from guys who prep Ramon Dino — last Classic Olympia. I’d even consider doing personal coaching with them if it weren’t so insanely expensive haha.
But thanks for sharing, brother. I’m seriously considering not splitting the GH doses, though probably not before bed. I’ll keep researching the topic.
What is funny as in coincidental, when I was a green as grass newbie to the enhancement game, I thought as you do now too.
But simply in reality, you can't eat your cake & have it too.
When you take compounds in excess of what your body naturally produces you cannot expect the body to continue to naturally produce.
The body is smart, understands those compounds are already present & in excess & the nature levels are supressed.
Which is why PCT is essential to recover from the shut down.
Taking GH prior to bedtime, limits potential side effects, maximizes potential for deep REM sleep which in turn produces enhanced recovery. Which again is the entire point of why we supplement with this compound in the first place.
As you mentioned, finding a reputable coach you can afford may not be a bad idea to assist you if you are serious about maximizing your potential.
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Wow bro you should be a coach!
Thank you. Just trying to help where I can.
I'd like to see your test up at 750mg on your blast.
Also don't think you need to split the dose of GH, 4iu is quite moderate and can be done before bed.