posted Sat, 03/07/2026 - 15:57
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+ 1 315 bench at 170, 6ft
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New to testosterone, dosing at 250mg/week.
Was able to get bench from 290 at 163 pounds natural, to 315 170 pounds enhanced.
Got any tips to keep climbing at a decent rate without injury?
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If you are strictly focused on strength gains you can do a powerlifting split. Progressive overload is the main idea with that.
Press has the perfect answer and I agree with him 100% but have u tried dumbbells they fell better and u can get really strong with them and my shoulders don’t hurt compared to the bench, sooner or later benching heavy u will get hurt. It is a unnatural movement for the joints and shoulders just my opinion, good luck and stay injury free make sure to listen to your body.
A.trip77I've tried doing dumbbells but never could enjoy it. I do plan to make it more apart of my journey though, cause its not always about whats fun you know. I do want to be strong on more than just barbell bench so I will keep that in mind, appreciate the words.
That’s exactly how I felt but made myself keep using only dumbbells, I didn’t think I would last but I kept after it, my strength blew up and my chest looked better and realized my shoulders aren’t hurting, I not saying give up bench but use more dumbbells and take 2-4 weeks off always a must for me. Hope this helps
I will be honest with ya here, all the injuries that I have sustained from Bench have been whilst I have been using gear. When you are natural then you don't end up pushing weights that your body was never designed to lift. Although Steroids are great at repairing and gaining muscle on, they aren't as good at strengthening tendons as quickly or as well. Its the tendons that tend to go when you see injuries, like when guys tear the pec its always where the tendon joins it to the bone etc. Rotator cuffs also sustain a lot of stress due to much increased weight that you can handle on gear, at unnatural angles of stress, triceps again where they attach to the elbow can go. The main rule to follow I find is not to bench more than twice per week - 1 heavy session and the other medium weight and you can't really get too sore, where micro tears begin to form that eventually progress to large ruptures. All this bollocks online about training bench 5 times per week by Influencers who can lift fuck all needs sending to the recycle bin.
Like Irongame has mentioned, always warm up thoroughly when on and off gear. I start by doing general shoulder stretching, rotations, bent over pendulum swings etc. Then when you get on the bench begin with 8 reps with just the bar, then go a plate per side and then go up 1 plate or half a plate depending on how you need to structure it. Begin with 6 reps with 135 then progressively taper it down to 2 or 1 before your final max. Never do any of this stuff where you see guys doing a single rep with each weight increase because that is just asking for trouble - all of those guys who thought they were clever doing that shit ended up getting injured in a big way in the end.
In terms of likelihood of injury when using steroids, from what I have seen its really just luck of the draw pal as to whether you are going to tear a pec or not - it can be on a light weight doing reps of 10 or it can be on heavy singles and doubles, seen it happen on all levels. Rules I now live by after having a grade 1.5 left pec tear and a number of RTC minor tweaks but never any surgeries are NEVER go into a bench session when you are still sore in your chest, shoulders or shoulder joints, always make sure you are well hydrated by the time you come to train which generally means no lifting for at least the first 6 hours after you get up - the more fluid you get into you through the day the more hydrated the muscle and tendons become - tendon tears and ruptures always seem to happen when the lifter hasn't consumed enough fluid beforehand.
I like to make sure my piss looks good being a light yellow colour before I lift - never start lifting when it is still darkish or if you have only been to the toilet once so far. Try to stay away from having painkillers in you before you lift weights as this will numb any pain or niggles which may have normally stopped you attempting a big weight otherwise, as this can make tiny existing injuries much worse or possibly create tears. In numbing the area they also allow you to lift at full muscle force which is a bad idea, because normally the nervous system will cut in and limit you to stop you injuring yourself.
I understand that you don't want to look bloated and like a puffer fish, but in doing so and wanting to stay leaner then you are putting yourself MUCH more at risk of injury. When you use wet compounds like NPP and DBol that water log muscle and tendons, they effectively make heavy lifting and Maxes much more safer as they keep muscle and tendons more elastic and supple - keeping things drier means they are more brittle and not willing to stretch as much - which is when they can snap. In turn, when something has more intracellular water volume it can contract more tightly in turn generating more strength and better leverages, making you stronger. Sure you can run strength based cycles that will keep you leaner like Test, Masteron and Anavar but the risk is greater in my opinion to getting inured than say Test, NPP and DBol. Trenbolone is a great strength building steroid but the problem is that it constantly dehydrates you through out the night and day, so being hydrated whilst using it when lifting can be tricky and difficult to gauge, given it also darkens your urine naturally too.
If you are wanting to get up to a 365 bench, the simply increase your Test to 600mg per week (this is the minimum effective dose proven in various studies to gain good muscle mass and strength), add 400 NPP and 30mg of DBol per day and you should have no issues at all. You can run less if you like but it will take longer to build the muscle required to do it. EAA's are brilliant also to add to your protein shake regime and also add extra leucine to your shakes and EAA's to increase the protein synthesis levels greatly. Leucine is the most anabolic amino acid there is mate.
I could write a 100 more pages like this going on about bench press and increasing it, boring everyone to death in the process but those are the main points I can think of right now. Getting on Gear and seeing my bench fly up 12 years ago now was genuinely one of the happiest periods of my life, it felt unreal at the time and I finally understood how you see these guys lifting unreal weights that baffle natural lifters LOL
Just so you know that you aren't wasting your time reading what I've written above, my Max bench when I was natty was 325lbs at 145 bodyweight being 5'8 tall. Using gear after 4 years I got to 470lbs at 185 Bodyweight at about 37 years old - I was lighter back then as I used a lot of trenbolone which kinda killed my appetite but what I did manage to eat was converted at such a high rate into muscle that I got great strength off it.
Love how you take the time to really explain your responses brother. Been following you for years on here & much love and respect pal. Thanks for all you e done for this community .
HUGE Thanks Mate - that really means a lot to me
A.trip77Honestly I appreciate the information, and that’s exactly the type of message i’m looking for.
Me being natural for 4-5 years, and never wanted to commit to a bulk and always stayed on the lower end of bodyfat% just due to how bad water and fat makes me look.
Biggest reason I hopped on testosterone was to gain a decent amount of muscle without having to go on a natural bulk.
I was able to hit 225 for 13, and 290 raw bench natural at the 160-165 range so it’s something I took alot of pride in.
That being said, I tore my tendon where my chest meets my shoulder 2 times that put me out of benching for weeks right when I would almost be at the strength to where I could surpass my previous record.
I never took the time to focus on my body, and warmup properly so it’s nature selection honestly.
I know now, especially on testosterone like you said that the tendons can’t keep up with the muscles and even if you can technically lift it, you probably shouldn’t.
I just want to be safe with it, and make sure i’m doing it right considering i’m new to the space of anabolics.
I am currently applying the medium bench day like a “technique” day and then a heavy day and only 2x a week so atleast im doing that right.
Want to focus more on my warming up like you said, and maybe hydrate better. Alot of wisdom I can learn from, so I appreciate the time you take to respond.
For sure buddy, once you 've been through a bad injury that has forced you to take a few months off a favourite exercise it really makes you re-evaluate your warm up methods and routine - you will never fuck about with it again. All that time off training and the mental head fuck it gives you is not worth trying to save 15 mins of extra warm up in the long run. I've done a few hamstrings in the past on Deadlifts through doing things like starting at 225lbs on the bar and no stretching or anything before hand, then increasing a plate per side for 1 rep then jumping 2 plates from 4 to 6 per side to save time - Idiotic and it led to minor strains becoming tears. Then once you tear a hamstring it impacts bench heavily as you cannot execute proper leg drive or keep your lower body braced. You live and learn lol
That's a great bench weight mate at the bodyweight - even more so given your height being 6ft tall. Having longer limbs definitely makes any kind of lift harder and trickier, unless you weigh 400lb's like Thor LMAO Main thing on bench though that helps in terms of genetics is being a mesomorph base build which naturally gives you a big, deep barrel chest and then the thicker arms to carry more triceps mass naturally - those 2 things in combination and reducing the range of motion especially is where its at if you see those guys in competition benching from behind them in the camera angle. I have medium length arms BUT unfortunately a very slim and shitty ectomorph ribcage so the range of the bar is still quite long. That being said though - if you study John Haack his ROM is fairly lengthy and look at what he can press!!
Try not to worry too much about getting inured mate otherwise you will not properly progress on to bigger weights as you will be too anxious and fearful to attempt them, just make sure you are doing everything right such as the warm up and being in prime condition when attempting maxes. The only reason this happened to you in the past is because you were not thoroughly warming up - its important to remind yourself of that fact
I am always here to help pal especially on things like this if ever you need it. These principles are not just limited to benching, they are basic fundamentals that apply to all the big lifts
There are a handful of guys on here that can press 500 Plus but they don't often tend to talk in the forums - see if you get lucky as to what they can help you with.
A.trip77Do got a question that’s not related to bench really anymore.
Within the past 2 months, I have had severe lower back pain. Where bending, and sneezing genuinely has me in bad pain. I attempted to get back into barbell squatting, and absolutely took it too fast with shitty form cause I wanted numbers and absolutely ripped my lower back on a one rep. This back thing has been an ongoing issue for months, but made it a-lot worse with the one rep.
I’ve been taking it super easy for over a month now, went from hacksquatting 3 plates for 11, to barely getting 2 plates up due to back pain. I decided to scratch pressing movements on legs for now due to it, and I feel like it’s absolutely never gonna get better.
Tried heatpads, cold therapy and considering using BPC/TB500 to see if it’ll help any, but I don’t know if it targets that specific type of injury.
Used them for my tendon tears, so thought it may be worth a shot.
All things considered, i’m out of any squatting movement and deadlifts, and even doing calves due to the weight being applied downwards on the body.
Any insight on what the injury is, or how to go about healing from it? I don’t want to go to the doctor yet just because i’m scared surgery is gonna be the recommendation. Sounds stupid to even bring up, but you seem pretty specialized in this field.
I really couldn't say for sure what has happened to your back as a bad back injury luckily is something I have never had so far, but I think I do know the type of feeling you are referring to that you can get from doing back squats. I do a lot more Deadlifting nowadays than I do squats, but when I was routinely doing squats week in week out my lower back was always bloody aching and I would feel crippled when on a night out in town and standing up all night at the bar lol My theory is that Squats are way worse than Deads for the lower back because Squats are constantly compressing down through the whole spine whilst the weight is on you, the force has to sit on your whole back to be supported. With Deads its being lifted up by many supporting muscles including the lower back, but during deads the lower back is NOT supporting the entire weight as it isn't sat on top of it. Soooo many guys on here over the years who have been big squatters who now have really bad lower backs and have multiple operations on lower vertebrae and fusions etc.
It sounds like what Pelon below has said, could be a slipped disc or injured hip muscle, could be lower vertebrae etc. My advice is if it is painful and hindering you rather than just being sore for weeks on end, then you really need to see the Doctor. Get an X ray done and imaging as it could be something bad that could get much worse if you don't get it seen to. Be aware also that benching using back arch and leg drive will be making it worse too mate because of all the torque running through it. Give the BPC and TB 500 a go as you have nothing to lose is the way I see it in the meantime.
A.trip77Ay you're probably right. I got a routine doctors appointment coming in a few weeks anyway, might as well get it checked out. Really hoping it's not that serious, but it's all a product of me being an idiot so gotta take the news how it is. I think I might hang up the compounds besides bench, focus on just hack squatting and taking things slower. Live and learn I guess. Will be running BPC/TB as soon as I can get my hands on it within the coming weeks just to see if it helps. 100% got nothing to lose now lol.
Mate whatever it is isn't going to change if you don't get it looked at, it will still be there. May as well find out the diagnosis whether its good or bad and then you know what to do to make it better, as ultimately that's what you want in the end. If it was the early stages of cancer would you rather know or wait till a year down the line?
A.trip77100% will take that advice. I honestly meant to mention it last time I was there, but slipped my mind cause that wasn't what the appointment was for. Probably will call tomorrow and get in as soon as possible.
Could have slipped a disc or tweaked your hip muscle. It's happened to a lot of people I know and we all bounced back.
I've used BPC and love it, only thing that fixed my shoulder
A.trip77Really was hoping it wasn't disc related, but it probably is. I will more than likely try the bpc/tb500 route and go from there. Hopefully I can bounce back soon.
Have you tried taking 2 weeks rest off everything including bench? It may be worth a try as bench will keep stressing it and see if it gets any better. If it doesn't then you will need to see someone I reckon. Even just try a week - you won't lose any strength.
A.trip77I took like 8-9 days off of the gym completely for a roadtrip out west, and my back was hurting bad from sitting that whole time. Had to feel productive and get back into the gym.
I've been trying to maintain some strength by forcing myself to go lighter on hacksquat but I feel that's done more harm than good, so just gonna call it quits on it for now. Do need to give myself a bigger break from anything spine related like you said. Deloading might be the play cause I don't know If i can mentally take alot of time off of the gym honestly.
That’s a strong bench at 170. Is Strength is your goal? I’m the last person you want advice from. I lifted heavy at your age and now all my joints are pretty fucked. Was on a rollercoaster of making progress than getting injured and going backwards and have to built back up etc. Only thing I can tell you is to do a thorough warm up of your shoulders/rotator cuffs before starting to press, don’t just start with lighter weight. Lookup good warm ups on YouTube.
If strength isn’t a priority and you’re in this to look good then drop the weight and up the reps. If strength is your goal then @press1 is your guy.
A.trip77Well, I want to get stronger while maintaining a low bf%.
I want to hit 365+ but don’t want to be a puffer fish to do it.
Bench is a top goal, but do want to continue to build my frame good meanwhile maintaining a good pound for pound ratio on lifts. Definitely will try to warmup a bit more as well, not trying to injure myself again.