+ 3 Heavy Handed OR Fair COP?? Your Opinion ....
I've just been reading all about this woman called Renee Good being Shot and killed by an ICE agent in Minneapolis as she refused to get out of her truck when asked to by ICE officers, then she tried to drive off.
The Videos of it seem quite dubious in terms of whether shooting her through the windscreen was really necessary when I'm sure she could of easily been stopped further down the road considering the amount of agents that were there and vehicles present.
On the one hand I was always raised to respect the Police and you do as instructed by them (especially when they have guns pointed at you!) but on the other hand it seems a bit unnecessary that a woman and mother has lost her life over this.
What's your take on this being weapons owners and routinely seeing Cops it seems shooting first and asking questions later?
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The GOP has never had a problem with dead kids stacked a mile high. Their solution is to have teachers armed. So it takes 8 ICE/DHS agents to take a gun from a guys waist band then shoot him dead but you expect a librarian to turn into John Rambo.
Is this whataboutism or a red herring argument?
Read my post below. The gun was an unlawful threat.
He wanted a situation and he got it.
He shouldn't have been armed.
He should have complied with ALL instructions.
Even if he felt they were wrong. The street is not where you make your case against a lawful authority. The courtroom is.
It took 8 men because they tried their best not to escalate the issue. As the Boston massacre, it only takes one to fall, get up and shoot in panic.
Wake the fuck up. This isn't about ICE This is about creating chaos like you see in Canada and the EU right now. This is the unelected trying to consolidate power and money. They want to replace a populist president (any, not just Trump) and put a Davos cronie puppet into office like Karny in Canada or Emanuel Macron, Annalena Baerbock, Alexander De Croo, Mark Rutte, Mario Draghi, Kyriakos Mitsotakis, Leo Varadkar, Sanna Marin, Justin Trudeau, Christian Lindner in the EU. All globalist puppets of the banking system. If you don't know who these people are then you better educate yourself.
Oh. You’re one of those that thinks it’s black and white and use the butwhatabout argument when all else fails. If I support one thing that’s MAGA I need to support everything? Right? I guess it’s an easy way for you to win arguments because both parties do stupid shit that really can’t be defended. Interesting though that you get to pick and chose your sides when it fits your narrative - “you’re not a MAGA or a Liberal”.
You mean the brain-dead scenario that you stated about "nothing bad happening" at your kids' school because it was legal to carry a gun? I can only speculate that you are implying that a gun in a school legally leads to all bad when schools get shot up on the regular, when the guns are illegal, so wtf is your point? You don't have one. The pivot from "shall not infringe!!!!!" to "well, he shouldn't have been carrying" is a wild one.
Exactly. It is astounding how many pro 2A people tried jumping ship. But several did hold their ground and I have nothing but respect for them. I challenge all of you to watch Ken Burn's revolutionary war series on PBS. Greg, If it, Pumped you all better start deciding which side of the revolution you are on before November.
Are you a boxer? Off subject, but do your opponents know that you're using steroids?
Reason I ask is because I was going to enter a blue collar boxing tournament a while back when I was only on trt and I wasn't allowed. Wouldn't have been able to pass the drug test.
I'm only assuming you're using gear cause you're here. I could be wrong. Or maybe you're not in a sanctioned club. Lots of speculation on my part.
Boxing is a hobby. Because I use gear I don’t do any sanctioned fights. I just train and spar, at half speed. I’m older as well. I have a career. Boxing is just something I’ve always enjoyed. Can’t punch people in the face in your day to day life without getting in a lot of shit. Most of the time when people think of gear usage, bodybuilding comes to mind. While I do lift a lot of weights, athletics has always been more my thing. Thanks for asking.
That's awesome. i boxed for a little bit in my mid 20's at a community center type club back home. Was never very good. Still very fun though.
I travel between LA, Vegas, and Chicago. Boxing is just one of those things man. At one point in the time the heavy weight champ was the king of the world. If you get a chance, watch the 30 for 30 Chasing Tyson. People forget how good heavyweight boxing used to be.
Was Blue the only colour you had clean?
Ahaha nah man all our local trade unions in my area contribute towards a boxing gym and trainers and we all throw down once a year and beat the piss out of each other for charity to see who is the best.
It's 100% legit though and there's a lot of rules. Therefore cannot be juiced up. And as of last year I'm over 40 so I'd have to fight other old guys like @Greg.
Same retort? Obviously you are stuck. Educate yourself.
No. I’m sorry you thought I cared what your opinion was.
Greg forgot the faces of our fathers somewhere along the way. I still love and respect him but he is angry at something. I think I know but only he really knows. But it has blinded him and that is tragic
The fight is against globalization and national and self sovereignty. All this BS over ICE is a distraction. Opening the boarders was a way to change the power structure via the population census and destroying our national identity, culture, religion, family structure etc.
It's no mistake the EU is falling apart. Same issues created there as in the US but more accelerated. Canada is in the same boat, maybe worse than the EU.
You should have paid attention to Davos. What Klaus Schwab meant by "stakeholder capitalism". What Larry fink said. Learn who Lauren Boebert is and other whistleblowers like her. Ask which political leaders are connected to Davos (including Canada's PM Mark Carney) the debt economy is failing. A reset is in the works and we are the pawns.
I am firmly pro 2A I am even more firmly pro US sovereignty, the constitution, God, family, and national unity.
I believe in sound money and my right to hold it. Not the globalist programmable CBDC and my complete dependence on the state.
Well, I guess we are still closer together than apart. But your leader is with them and Israel and you will have to come to terms with that. You know I have been preparing for some time, although it was originally with a solar event in mind. The border has never been "open" either. Trump after building his own Ice army and now looking to build massive prison camps yet even after all of this ICE bullshit has not deported more than Obama did without all of this insanity. That "army" is not for the illegals bud, those camps won't be either. But Orangeman didn't count on those pesky Epstein files.
@Pale The Epstein files are another distraction. So far they've harmed in order most to least:
British monarchy
Corporate technical leaders
Democrats
Republicans
Interestingly, the hierarchy of the globalist movement aligns very closely with the ranking for the Epstein files.
Well, it may be a distraction to you but it isn't to me. I want all of them involved hung. Our DOJ is mocking all of us. I have no idea if you are simply ignoring them , I hope not.
Being attentive and being emotionally invested are two separate things.
You think everything is in a vacuum? No risk to anyone? No powers at play, no direct or implied threats? Do you seriously think Epstein killed himself?
Do you think Trump doesn't have a motive to mitigate damage? To time the release of information for maximum political advantage?
Trump is about protecting trump , I think you know that. And I am not even sure Epstein is really dead. I mean it is a question we may never have all the answers too. One of the Youtube channels I follow Valhalla VFT put up a video the day of Ghislane Maxwell and the person that did the latest testimony appears to be someone else. She got moved from a Max security to a minimum where nobody knew her. Things that make you go hmm. But I admit, sex trafficking pedos does get an emotional reaction out of me, guilty.
@Pale Where have I said otherwise... of course being shot at a few times doesn't help. Didn't I say elsewhere he created his own bank? Do you think his board of peace doesn't have development dollar signs attached to it?
Problem with you Pale is you think I'm MAGA or a Trump Supporter. That's not the game. It's bigger than personalities.
I'm not playing. I'm planning. I'm analyzing, I'm preparing. I'm not willing to be goaded into entertaining these issues as being more than the sideshow designed to tear us apart.
I'm pointing at something and you, and everyone like you is staring at my finger
...which by now, is the middle one.
Yeah, the middle finger never really harmed anyone. You have been pro-trump for some time so forgive me for not reading you as having changed course on him. I am glad to hear I am wrong in the regard. I also agree for most people all of the separate levels of graft, corruption and outright lawlessness of this administration likely are confusing and overwhelming (your sideshow definition) For me, it isn't sideshows it is one huge criminal spiderweb. [REDACTED]
Mod Edit: you don't want this shit out there. You never know how that would age. Especially in the era of AI
@Pale I've consistently called myself a Constitutionalist.
Again, with your lack of critical thinking, you are presenting me with a False Dilemma (Either/Or) Fallacy.
There's a distinction between principled alignment and personality-based support.
I have readily pointed out several narcissistic and self serving actions Trump has taken. I am not blind by bias.
I am not interested in getting rid of globalism only to surrender (in time) self sovereignty (largely the self control of money) to the Trump family and the bank of Trump.
The only thing that can protect us from that is the great awakening and that is in the hands of God.
You see things at the national level. You are looking at a checker game. But we are a entwined global economy. The corporate powers and financial organizations are global. The real game, the one I've got my eye on, is the geopolitical chess match.
It is wild that you and I see each other as the one looking nationally instead of globally. Perhaps one day you and can sit face to face and discuss our philosophy and everything else with the addition of voice inflection and real time. I am confident we both would tweak our understanding.
But one key point of difference for me is I am not waiting or expecting any god to step in and save us brother. If there ever was one he abandoned the human race a couple millennia ago. Whatever happens we will either stand or kneel.
@pail "An act of God" is a legal term that doesn't require a belief in a deity. It expresses events that are out of our hands to control no matter how prepared.
My personal belief aside. What happens after 2032 is out of our hands.
We will only maintain sovereignty if we all step up and act on the collective moral compass you have already expressed taking ownership of.
As I, you only have power to control your self. No one else.
There would need to be a zeitgeist to infect the mood of all of us like a social virus. You, I, and others like us are potential spreaders of that virus through action and frame (being).
Now, If I was a religious person. I might call that zeitgeist a holy zeitgeist or spirit. And I might call that moral compass christ consciousness.
But seriously, does it matter what it's called, how it's labeled? Self sovereign men of principle guided by agape love and not ego. That is our purpose. That is who we are meant to become.
That wasn't opinion.
Hes like arguing with a brick wall. A commie brick wall.
Is a China still “fucked?” And I’m still waiting on a picture of a made in America MacBook Pro.
All Mac Pro desktops are made in Austin Texas. The MacBook pros are to be made there also within the next few years. China is doing as well as your arguments
I didn’t say anything about the Mac Pro. But you are too much of a dumbfuck to know the difference.
Your reading comprehension is astounding.
Quoting an incorrect statement doesn’t suddenly make it correct. Maybe on Earth 2 it does. I don’t know, I don’t live there.
Incorrect or not, that's what he said and what you failed to comprehend. At least you're reading comic books.
I comprehended it just fine. Mac Pros are made in Austin. I told him to show me a MacBook Pro made in the states. They aren't and never will be. Find anything. Google a new story. Ask Chat GPT. Find anything that says they are moving production here. You can’t. He making it up in an attempt to sound like he knows what he talking about. You try to back him because you’re bitter I didn’t give a shit about your political stance.
What part of, "are to be made" are you not comprehending? Granted, he's confused with an AI data center. But your reply focused on the wrong part of his statement which was correct. And didn't address his comment trying to refute you.
Thats the point. Confused = wrong. He can claim production is coming here every day for the next 10 years. It's not happening. Don't make excuses for him.
You changed to argument to some random conversation from a long time ago. You said America is "unsalvageable", I asked when are you moving. Then you pretended to be more stupider than normal by not understanding what I meant. So you think America is done for but China is doing great. So move there.
He is too dumb to comprehend how stupid he is
And you’ve been wrong on all accounts but it hasn’t stopped you from pretending to know what you’re talking about. Apple doesn’t have the manufacturing capacity to make the MacBook Pro here in the states. It’s not made here now and it won’t be made here “in a few years.” You and I are 1 year into this. So you’re running out of time.
I have a M-O-T-O-R-O-L-L-A.... I don't even know if I spelled that right.
I'm what you call "uneducated white trash".
I don't know how anyone could argue that the gentleman that got shot and killed in Minneapolis was what you call "instigating" a dangerous situation. He intentionally carried a gun to confront law enforcement. No matter if you're a Republican, or independent or a Democrat, you are a fuckin IDIOT if you think that is a wise move.
Poor guy was probably a nice guy. Probably has a family that is heartbroken. And it's sad that his life is over. But comon. He was old enough to understand the risks he was taking.
Yeah but he’s says he’s not a maga or a libtard but clearly a very angry person with a strange fascination with your Wife. So confused.
Brother, all of us should be angry. We have been played and are still being played. But if you are for corruption and for pedo's, for overreaching federal police then stick with trump. The rest of us, right, left and middle are preparing.
Not surprised you are confused.
His buttole tightens when someone mentions Trump
Yeah, but he also ejaculates at the same time too.
Aww, I hurt someone’s feelings =(
That's a stretch. Just like all your other uninformed comments. You should protect your head more when you box.
I’d rather my asshole tighten around a rapists than my dick get hard. Just saying…
Several Democratic judges back in 2024, I believe, already set a precedent that carrying a gun to a peaceful protest is not protected under the 2nd amendment. It has the potential to create fear, stifle free expression, and is dangerous in an area where there is heightened tension.
A car is considered a lethal weapon.
When a civilian tries to run a federal officer over. The officers are well within their rights to kill that civilian immediately.
This is not some new thing. Watch the YouTube channel 'Donutoperator' there are dozens of videos of people trying to run officers over and ever time they get shot .
The MSM has created this sensationalism and it makes simple minded people do stupid shit like fighting with Cops . Cops carry guns and when you continue escalating situations with Cops they will eventually shoot you .