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I'm seeing some mixed reviews on the new darker test raws, are people getting consistently more PIP with them? I have a darker vial myself and am getting a little sussed out seeing other people complain - anyone having good experiences with them?
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India pharmacy is held to a certain standard I guess but UGL lndia gear I can guarantee is made in a shithole environment - obviously I'm generalizing I'm sure there's labs in China with poor standards also but in general the people and environment are cleaner in china
That’s true but I think people are more speculating that the dark test e is from certain (not all) raws from India. I don’t think they’re bashing Indian raws in general. Gear that is China based don’t seem to have this color test e
anvilThey are coming straight from China also, I can't give the name here but is a pretty popular brand.
Well this guy said Indian raws are shitty AF..
Which, if he never bought raws from India has no say in the convo, period. So he is just pushing bullshit and starting rumors if that is the case.
Just trying to help keep things on here real and not have everybody repeating what one person said cuz they THOUGHT be knew what he was talking about.
Yea I hear ya, majority of pharma stuff I’ve gotten was Indian. 7/11 gear is solid
You pay for slurpie my friend.
Hahahahaha
“Yex bro, we work hard here”
So knowing Indias raws are contaminated makes it ok to use? was your previous handle @Rustyhooker ? You sound just like him lol be safe out there it's a cold cruel evil world we live in. Just like our own country isn't contaminating our food ? OK then ill be the retard that out lives everyone lol
Bro i feel you, and honestly would not doubt. The truth is right inferring of people eyes. They just don't want to come to reality and realize they're slaves.
We really need a revolution it would be the only way to change this shit.
Let Russia and China poison the gear fuck it. Maybe it'll thin out the dumb ass's. Lol
Not sure what the mechanism is behind the darker color, but I can say that the first time I’ve consistently experienced pip has came from this new, darker test e. Not the sore the next day, then clears up by day two after some movement/mobility, but 4-5 day activity limiting pip.
Started this summer with the first darker vial of test E that I had, took me a week to pinpoint what was going on. This was the same brand of test e I have been running for years, no issues. Ordered test e from three different brands after that, two were the darker and one looked normal. Same issues with the darker stuff, extremely bad pip. Just my experience with it all.. now that I’ve been back to the regular looking test e, zero issues…
jitterbug128worrying
It may well be "fine" to inject but why risk it when there's gear available that's a normal colour?
I get it's most likely the temperature during brewing causing the darker colour but my argument to that would be if they can't brew the gear correctly and do enough due diligence to ensure it's not bloody orange then how do we know it's even clean?
Ps have you even seen india (apparently most the raws are coming from there now) it's a complete shithole the whole country stinks of a cross between curry and sewage.
These people wash in there own sewage in rivers and wipe there ass with their hands then go on to handle our gear.
100% with you on that, brother.
This is a legit argument … nobody’s wrong for being skeptical when a Test E/C vial comes out looking like brewed tea instead of the usual pale gold. It does go against what most of us expect visually, and when you’re pinning something into your body, the bar should be high.
My only point is: color alone shouldn’t be the final verdict.
Yeah, if a lab can’t keep consistency on something as basic as appearance, it’s fair to raise an eyebrow. And it’s absolutely fair to leave a negative review if the presentation is off … as long as the reasons are clear and fair.
But at the same time, I wouldn’t automatically toss an entire pack of gear in the trash just because it’s darker …especially when some of these labs already posted solid HPLC on their Test E/C raws.
Color is the least reliable indicator in UGL land, but consistency does matter… so yeah, I get you completely.
Respect, brother.
This is going to become reverse of the tren color argument lol.
Lol bro, this is just a hypothesis at the end of the day. One thing I’m 100% sure of is that nobody has this information nailed down perfectly. We’re all just trying to put pieces of the puzzle together.
I totally get why people are skeptical about darker oils, tren color debates, etc. Personally, I don’t stress too much about it. Yeah, it’s not standard, it’s a bit off the textbook, but there are a lot of variables people either forget or simply don’t have enough info on.
When we’re talking about labs or brands that have been around 10+ years like PP / Ult#ma, and especially when there’s HPLC and impurity testing available, that already checks a lot of boxes for me. If there isn’t? I filter it, accept the risk, and move on.
At the end of the day, the smartest move is choosing a solid source with good raw suppliers. But let’s be real … risk exists for everyone. UGL is UGL.
Yeah I agree with that tbf you can't rely solely on the colour
And it's absolutely none of my business what others are willing to pin either tbf
BUT I think sources should say it's a strange colour and provide contamination tests or whatever tests are available to give someone the option if they then want to try it or not.
I guess it's kind of like expired best before dates on food -it will probably be okay but how dare they sell it for the same price
It got my back up when I see there was a guy on here that got 10 vials of orange test and I think 1 or 2 had gaping holes in the top- its not on at all bro sources should be held to account even if they are only re-sellers this is our health there playing with
jitterbug128problem is even brands with previously clear oils are coming out with darker colors, unless theres somewhere unaffected by this, in which case please dm me the place lol
I only know of 2 brands that are now orange? All the other brands still seem to be clear from everything iv seen?
jitterbug128I guess im more worried about the next vial ordered. Seems like the orange ones are mixed in with the clear ones and its a diceroll on the clear brands. Thats more me worrying on getting unlucky though i guess
Blacker the berry, the sweeter the juice!
Wise words to live by.
I think that only applies to when you're trying to find a tranny.... I could be wrong but it's worked for me.
My bro @thorny you’re right that color can indicate impurities… but it’s not as black-and-white as “darker = dirty,” brother.
When it comes to Test raws, color changes can come from a bunch of different things, and most of them aren’t contaminants:
If darker color automatically meant “danger,” half the human pharma Test on the market would be considered trash … and it’s not.
The real indicators of a bad raw aren’t the tint:
PIP / crashing, strange odor, unusual thickness, weird solvent bite, or off bloodwork.
Color alone is one of the least reliable markers.
Not defending under-filtered raws at all … just saying presentation isn’t proof.
So yeah… color can suggest something, but without chromatography (HPLC/GC-MS), it’s speculation either way.
Until then, I judge it by:
• How it brews
• How it feels
• How it tests in your bloods
That’s the only ground truth we have in the UGL world, IMHO.
Ranger3252Accept my FR
So my Question would be to all this - Why have we never seen Trenbolone coloured Testosterone before now if it doesn't indicate anything off with the product?
Great question, brother man and honestly, the only reason we’re seeing “Tren-colored Test” these days is because of how UGL raws are being made and handled now, not because Test itself magically changed.
I’m speculating here, but also going off what I’ve heard from people in the game in Brazil, Canada, the US, and the UK… I was doing my own digging too.
The guys who’ve been around 10+ years can explain it even better, but the short version is this:
Back in the day…Almost all raws came from the same 2–3 major labs in China ->> super consistent ->> very light color.
Now…The supply chain is way more fragmented … different synthesis methods, different purification levels, different storage conditions, different shipping routes… and that is where the color variations are coming from.
Why didn’t we see this before?!?!
IMO Because UGLs used to have:
more uniform raw suppliers, fresher raws, less oxidation during travel, less variation in carrier oils and brewing temps
Nothing mystical about it.
And yeah … some darker batches can mean lower purity…
but we’ve also seen plenty of HPLC-tested UGL Test that’s darker and still 99% pure. So color ≠ quality by itself.
At the end of the day, without chromatography, we’re all just speculating. Color is just one clue, not the final verdict.
The real answers still come from:
bloodwork, stability, PIP, and how it actually performs.
But these are my thoughts on this..
Everyone’s got their own perspective, and I respect that.
We have some clues, but none of us know everything … this is all high-level speculation anyway.
Would using a filter syringe take care of the impurities and reduce the PIP risk?
Yes, Sir !
It could also be color reversion caused by oxidation and high heat. For example, grapeseed oil can change color to a reddish or pink hue when heated.
If the oil reaches or exceeds its smoke point and changes color (like turning amber or dark brown), it means the oil has degraded, causing chemical changes and forming decomposition products (like aldehydes and other volatile compounds). Injecting this degraded oil significantly increases the risk of severe post-injection pain, redness, swelling, inflammation, and potential tissue damage. The darker the color, the more severe the degradation and the greater the danger.
UNC was saying a possibility is that the raws are requiring more heat to get the test into suspension. Which supports your theory. Sounds plausible to a moron like me. And I'd trust a guy that actually makes gear before other morons like me.
jitterbug128Would that mean more danger in terms of toxicity? Or just hurt more
It would be extremely rare for "toxicity" as you're implying. Figure everything from nothing, to varying degrees of PIP, redness, swelling, to worse case, infection and abscess
Color means there are impurities present. Period.
Whether those impurities are toxic, is unknown, because we don’t know what the actual impurities are.
Does this mean we should be sussed out if a source has a new batch of Test E that ISNT dark??
jitterbug128Maybe? Doubt the labs would be using it if they didnt have to so the clear raws are probably gonna run out until old raw producers are back right
I don't know a lot about the synthesis of Testosterone, but I do know about the synthesis of go fast stuff and I know that there are several different synthesis methods that can be used and each one gives you a different looking end product but they are all chemically the same. With testosterone starting with organic precursor compounds the general process involves multiple steps, including oxidation, reduction, and specific molecular rearrangements, the new raws are coming from a new country and they may be using an older outdated synthesis method or over oxidizing the precursors during synthesis. This is just a guess, if the lab results are coming back on point and it's not contaminated I would lean towards the new raw manufacturers are using a different synthesis method or just arent as experienced as the old manufacturers and that is why we are starting to see a darker end product as raws are starting to trickle in from the new suppliers.
By a new country do you mean not China?
I have been hearing that the new raws that are producing the darker test e is coming from India, that could be false but I have seen a few sources on other forums saying it was coming from India.
I think you’re right. Chinese sources seem to not have an issue with clear test
jitterbug128Would that mean anything for the quality or safety of the end product in this case you think? Seen a couple complaints about the dark stuff having weird PIP but cant tell if its just normal PIP experiences or actually to do with the raws
If a less efficient method was used it could mean that solvents or other chemicals that were used in the synthesis are still present in the raws and that could be causing the darker color and more pip than usual wich could potentially be harmful depending on what it is, or it could just be that the raws are over oxidized leading to the darker color and being too oxidized could also lead to more pip than usual. The only way to know for sure is for someone to send off a vial of the dark test e for GCMS testing to see exactly what is in it, until then its all speculation and guessing.
Sort of related maybe not but I got some tren ace that looked like it had a dab of molasses stuck to the bottom of the vial, I warmed it up and swirled it around but it didn't really budge. Used up the whole vial without issue and judging by the sweating and insomnia, it had atleast some efficacy. Still sketched me out.
jitterbug128That is sketchy sounding, but probably not related to the new test e raw thing going on. Or maybe it is idk the prduction chain all that well yet
test e or c?
The newer C is harder to get into solution and becomes unstable around 250mg/ml. I haven't seen this newer dark test yet but I'm suspecting it's from having to keep it on higher heat for longer periods. It should still be fine.
If it's test e, no clue. Possibly from the way they are producing them now from the factory. Thing's have definitely changed in the manufacturing process but I haven't figured out exactly what yet...but I will
jitterbug128Shouldve said I meant Test E, didnt even know there were issues going on with Test C raws as well
Try to work the new darker test in my own mind. I'm just your normal gym rat. If I have a big dick it just doest turn into a small dick.
This is my gym rat mind trying to make sense.
H₂O is water, and it's clear. If you add fruit juice or a colored substance, the water changes color and becomes opaque.
Test has a consistent chemical structure, but its color has changed. It can't have exactly the same molecular structure as before if the color is different—something must have altered its composition?
Yeah, something doesn't sit right with me about this new coloured Testosterone - how can it be the same stuff if its now darker. Why isn't it still clear? At the end of the day any Lab or Source is going to say its fine aren't they - What else are they going to say, 'No its naff, don't use it!!
Seen some that was dark amber even darker than tren a few weeks back with lab saying potency is on point. However, what are the additional health risks of it being out of sorts?
If I remember that was a Source supplied Jano - have we seen any member submitted Jano's on the darker Test yet?