My wife’s oddly low test levels
My wife got her bloods back after running 24mg Primo per week and 10mg Anavar per day.
Her glucose was a little low which, since she was fasted, seems to be expected.
Her estrogen was at 421 which was high but she started her cycle just a day or so after the draw so that could explain her high estrogen.
What baffles me is her free and total test. Total test was 39 ng/dl which reference numbers are 2-45 ng/dl means she’s not even above natty status.
Free test was at 3.3 pg/ml and reference range is 0.1-6.4 pg/ml which once again has her in the middle of the reference range and within natty specs.
Her lipid panel and ast/alt are all within range which I also found odd. After running Anavar for 6-8 weeks I fully expected her lipids and ast/alt to be out of range.
I also expected the primo to lower her estrogen a little bit and it seems like 24mg primo weekly and 10mg Anavar daily should have her free and total test levels at a supra-physiological level.
She wants to increase either the primo or the anavar or both and based on her bloodwork I don’t see any reason not to.
I think increasing primo would be better than increasing Anavar but we are both open to listening to what the gurus have to say on the matter.
Are these levels normal or does anyone else think her free and total test should be higher also?
Thanks in advance for any helpful input and advice.
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Her estrogen is actually at its lowest during the beginning of her cycle. It peaks around day 12-14. Meaning 12-14 days after he cycle begins. SHBG and FSH and LH would be good to add to bloodwork.
Why not use Prop or Cyp?
Wife is on 12mg Prop a week, 1mg Estrogen, 100mg Progesterone currently. Probably going to up the Estrogen.
Her results were roughly
Test 489
Free Test 42
Estro 127
I don’t think shbg was included in this panel. I’ll check and see about the fsh and LH and get back to you.
We went with primo just because it seems more women have less viralization with primo as opposed to test or so we read.
I’m really wondering if she either had really low test levels to begin with or if this gear is bunk.
I just wrote Janoshik to get details about testing so hopefully I’ll get some good news from them.
Nut in her more that usually does the trick
A nut is top tier Testosterone! #Facts --
Ranger3252In a woman using Anavar and Primobolan, her testosterone levels would significantly increase due to the introduction of the exogenous steroids, while her natural estrogen production would likely decrease. This seems odd, were their Janos run on the primo and var? Not prying, is she possibly pregnant? Also, thyroid?
Thyroid related bloods all looked good. Perhaps there could be something thyroid related that wasn’t in the blood panel we ordered.
There was Janos on the “men’s” anavar which was good but not the “lady” anavar and I didn’t see any primo tests.
I’ve written jano to get details on testing so hopefully it’s a relatively easy process and I won’t need to sacrifice an entire vial for a jano test.
She’s not pregnant but I do believe these blood results are odd for what she’s running unless the gear is bunk or her test levels were naturally super low or he shbg is skyrocketed. Unfortunately I don’t think shbg wasn’t on the panel we ordered. Might have to do another panel just for shbg to dig deeper if jano test is good.
I wanna follow this just because my wife is taking as well. Would have been nice to have a baseline before. Jano isn't to hard. They are good with emails and stepping you through it.
Jano just responded to my email. I know what I have to do to move forward but I have to contact the source I got the primo/anavar from as they have a reimbursement program so there is a chance I can not only get it tested for free but also get some store credit with them haha
They wouldn't increase. Why would adding (non testosterone) androgens suddenly make her body produce more testosterone. If anything it could suppress her natural production.
Ranger3252I wrote my graduate dissertation on this subject after I left the military. This was one of many papers I cited from;
https://www.frontiersin.org/journals/sports-and-active-living/articles/1...
Maybe I'm missing it but I searched the whole paper for "testosterone" and it only showed up in 4 of the sources and they just were looking at the effects and results of testosterone levels and using testosterone. I'm just saying why would Injecting primo and taking anavar raise testosterone levels. Like when we take primo, anavar etc we don't expect our serum testosterone to go up unless there was some sort of cross detection.
Ranger3252Because neither compound converts to estrogen, there is no direct increase in estrogen levels from the steroids themselves.
Their theory im thinking is lower shbg= greater free test.
mdgfl85If you're using anabolic steroids that aren't the sex hormone testosterone or an analog of testosterone then lowering SHBG still wouldn't increase free testosterone. Her dose of primobolan (if it really is) is 24mg weekly, pretty much nothing.
What were her lipids before the cycle? Have they changed at all?
Her lipids before cycle were perfect. They are still perfect. And after taking 10mg Anavar per day for like 6-8 weeks (can’t remember when she started exactly) her lipids are still perfect.
I would have expected 10mg Anavar per day to not only skew lipids but also elevate ast and alt.
But her levels across the board are basically perfect and within range, free and total test included, and I thought 24mg primo per week and 10mg Anavar per day would have her above natural levels of free and total test but….shes still in the natty range.
I think your missing the point here man. She taking primo and var... Not testosterone. So why would her testosterone go up. If anything they would go down due to the hypothalamus seeing more androgens in the blood and reducing the signal to produce testosterone.
I think I get what you’re saying now.
Primo and Anavar are both derivatives of DHT which is the 5 alpha reduced form of testosterone and, therefore, won’t be detected as testosterone on bloodwork levels.
I thought, for some reason, that both testosterone and DHT would be included in the “Testosterone” tests since DHT is dihydrotestosterone which is still a form of testosterone…or at least has the word testosterone in its chemical name.
Is that what you’re saying?
Yeah I havet looked into it but maybe if you tested DHT (non non sensitive) it could cross detect the primo and anavar but I don't know. The ones I heard were that sometimes tren detects as E2 and E1 from boldenone can detect as E2 on non sensitive testing
mdgfl85Primobolan and anavar do not convert to testosterone. They are both anabolic steroids but not a sex hormone. Testosterone is a sex hormone that happens to be anabolic. Taking either will not increase her testosterone or anyone else's.
HDL cholesterol should lower while using anavar due to the nature of the drug. Did you have a baseline before the anavar use?
It could be a possibility that the primobolan and anavar are either under dosed.