Test cyp + Masteron e
I’m not going to be running this for some time but just want to get some more info before ordering (I like to get all the stuff I need a bit before starting especially with the shipping restrictions going on if things are not able to be found within US). I want to run a mild cycle Iv landed on test cyp and Mast. Might throw in anavar at the end or middle but we will hold off on that for now. I’m on 130mg TRT now running 2 iu GH daily. What’s your opinions on dosages? Keep in mind I’m trying to go mild but not so much where I waste my time.
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I tend to aromatize pretty heavily . Iv been able to control it slightly by injecting EOD instead of 2x weekly . If I wanted to bump my test up to 400mg and throw in mast E could I run them at the same dosage since I aromatize heavily or is that still dumb?
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Since I do aromatize heavily would I need to run an AI for the first couple weeks until the mast E kicks in? Or should I just ride it out and let the mast do its job then retest and go from there?
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I don’t want to waste my time but want to stay conservative , is 400mg the lowest dosage that would be worth it? I want to try to be at 400mg of each max and for most people I understand that prob wouldn’t work well for them but due to me romanizing heavily I was thinking it might be fine for me personally. Thoughts?
I wanted to add a compound and I get some size but my only other option was EQ but due to high hemat risk I didn’t wanna push it and I don’t want to run a 19nor I don’t like the risks. I know mast doesn’t put on massive size but I was thinking I might be able to put on something with the test going up and running it long enough. Obviously nothing compared to deca or dbol but I’d be happy with anything. If you guys have other options please let me know I’m open to other things as well. I’m just not in the market right now for heavy compounds with crazy sides. Only reason I didn’t go the EQ direction is because my hemaocrit sits around 49 and I’m not sure EQ would be good for me with it increasing RBC and Hemat
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I too, am a very heavy aromatizer. This whole thing about mast being an Ai. I was taught that Mast is NOT an Ai but does help eliviate some estrogenic sides such as bloat...so there is that. If you do decide to run mast p or e, keep a keen eye on your prostate and ability to drain the Gardner snake. Mast fucks with my prostate bad, so, if I were you, I would start the mast lower, say 200mg per week and see how you feel for a couple of weeks before titration up to your 400. Just my 2 cents bro.
1- yes you could run them both at 400.
2- there are some post by makwa, if i am not mistaken, would start an Ai about week 3 of cycle blast. This is because it takes about 4 weeks to reach steady serum levels. Will take practice and adjustments overtime, see how your own body reacts. If you start to swell before week 3 then start the damn Ai earlier... ya know?
3- you are not waisting your time at 400. You already know diet and training is the main target here. The drugs are just the icing on top.
Maybe during this cycle research eq a bit more. Its not as scary as you think and for a high aromatizer, is fucking awesome! "On my 1st run with it "
Also, could try ed pins
Eq will mess with that from my experience
Also from my experience mast is a good AI and worked better for me than anything else. 200mg I think you'd NOTICE a difference. Mast can dry you out more than EQ though so be careful of that especially if you plan to take an AI still
Thanks for that info, I’m all about finding the lowest dose of things that still give results with keeping sides down. I know a lot of guys on here have the “if you’re going to only take that amount don’t bother using it” but I’m more into the smaller doses. Longevity is a lot more important to me than short term goals
Mast didn’t do anything for my E2. EQ lowered my e2 in a 1:2 Ratio (Test/Eq)
How many mg of test/eq were you running and how much was your e2 lowered?
Are we talking like 250 test and 500 eq and your e2 went from 100 pg/ml down to 70 pg/ml?
I’m curious as to how high the dosage was and how drastic the e2 was controlled by the eq alone.
Me too and also that im just trying to get a boost. I'd say give it a shot, maybe add avatar? Lean solid muscle
Alot of new data coming out that mast doesn’t act as an ai . Primo on the other hand definitely will act as an ai. I’m estrogen sensitive as well . I’ve run test and mast together as high as 1000mg per week each with eachother , the mast didn’t help bring down my estrogen . Now my estrogen would be extremely higher on a compound like nandrolone . 250 mg of nandrolone will fuck me up . So yes mast is a better anabolic for me but I still incorporate estrogen blockers for elevated levels ..
Understood, have you found a huge difference in say 400 mast vs 600 mast in effectiveness? And while Iv heard mast has not as many sides what would you say is the main ones you faced running those numbers?
Just like any compound I would start with the lowest effective dose . I’ve run these compounds for a long time and then worked my way up . For a long time 400 mg would be the highest I would run for any compound. Some less example tren .. test and mast at 400mg per week is a really good cycle . I don’t know your experience or history with cycles so I’m just saying start small and see what that does for you . Theres no reason why you couldn’t make good gains from a 400/400 cycle . I don’t feel like going from 400 mast to 600 will make glorifying gains especially if you’ve never used mast before .. I’ve been cycling with mast for probably 5 years before I went over 400 a week
I completely agree I was just getting mixed opinions on what that starting dose is. I much prefer smaller. If I see any results I’m more than happy I don’t need to make crazy strides. Have you experimented with even lower doses like say 250-300? I had this same convo with someone else about anadrol. Personally it’s not for me due to how toxic it is but I always wondered since it’s extremely potent what would happens if you did a daily microdose of 10mg. Everyone instantly says it’s a waste but something tells me for someone who hasn’t taken crazy amounts of gear could they get some crazy gains at that small of a dose.
You’ll put on some size with test and mast. Adding size is about eating enough of the right foods, lifting heavy and sleeping enough. Add in some gear and it’ll accelerate growth and recovery. Test mast is a nice mild feel good cycle.
Mast isn’t really an AI. Its effects are similar to a SERM, but it isn’t selective. But basically the same effects in the end. An AI prevents conversion of test to estrogen which lowers the level of estrogen in your body. Lower estrogen means less estrogen related side effects. A serm binds to estrogen receptors and blocks estrogen from binding and exerting its effects. So your estrogen levels can be high but have no effect on you because the serm is blocking receptors. So mast typically isn’t going to lower or keep your estrogen levels in check but in some people it’ll block estrogens effects. Proviron has this same effect on me in a strong way.
Idk where you got that excerpt about mast being an Ai but it’s wrong. It does not bind to the aromatase enzyme like an AI does. It could indirectly lower levels though in favorable conditions. If estrogen receptors are blocked by the mast and you have a bunch of unbound estrogen circulating and your body metabolizes estrogen quickly then you could maintain lower levels because of that.
I don’t think you need an Ai right away. The test takes time to build too. But keep one on hand just in case. Figure out if you actually need one on mast. Many poele can get away without one. Expect maybe people that really aromatize at a high level.
If your HCT is 49 on TRT then you’re correct, EQ would not be a good choice, 400/400 test mast should be fine for you since you’re a high aromatizer.
Thank you. That is exactly the reply I was looking for and thank you for clearing up the mast AI debate . I was trying to understand it but I get what you’re saying it’s more like tamoxifen than say arimidex. I was real interested in EQ but it’s just not worth the risk or having to keep that close of an eye on my hemat. I’ll start with the 400/400 an see how that goes. Again thank you for the reply this was very helpful and to the point!
Now when you say Mast blocks the effects of estrogen, let’s say my e2 does raise while on Mast. If I’m not getting side effects because the masteron is “masking” it should I still try to lower it? Or would it be safe to let it linger high even tho the masteron is covering sides?
If you aren’t experiencing any estrogen related sides I wouldn’t try to lower it with an Ai. Then you the risk of sides from low estrogen which are not fun. You need some estrogen for many different bodily functions and some of it is going to get through the mast. Hopefully just the right amount. If you lower it in addition to blocking its effects you won’t even have that little bit getting through and then you’re going to experience sides of low E.
I should just always wait for you or panda to respond. Both of you are sharp when it comes to the mechanisms at play.
Why ask for "advice" and then just argue with every single person that gives you advice?
Just do whatever ur gonna do. Blast all the mast and test and then post some mediocre progress pics in 4 months looking for praise.
You didn’t give any advice tho all anyone did is argue about my grammar and tell me mast has no AI properties so wtf are you talking about. Give some advice then on the fucking question I asked about dosage. I don’t care about anyone opinions on why I’m doing it that’s not what I asked. That’s my issue. If you have advice on dosage and if you think it will work then I’ll take said advice and I appreciate it. Other than that your right I don’t care lol
If you said “ ya 400 mast would work but maybe up the test alittle bit” or “400 might be too low you might want X amount” then ya I would listen and I would appreciate the info. No one has done that.
Hang on.
Ya I went back and looked and lots of ppl gave you advice. You just don't want it. You want a specific answer. This is probably what you do to your wife too.
You: "Honey am I as jacked as ur ex yet?"
Wife: "nah, cause he knew when to use drostanolone"
You: ThRoWing A TanTrUM because you only want the answer you have in ur head.
For the record a couple guys in here are def knowledgeable. I know ranger fucking hates me but I won’t take away from the fact he knows his shit. The rest of them can’t tell me shit when one guy tells me mast has no AI properties and another guy literally tells me you can’t be on test without an AI. So before coming at me check these idiots giving me all this great advice you are talking about because they sound stupid as fuck. Tell me I’m wrong because I’d hope your not as dumb as them since your calling me out
Ok bro . Whatever makes you happy. I asked a question to get an answer . If I wanted the answer to the info you’re giving I would have asked. That’s how these things work. Are you slow in the head? I just don’t get it instead of worrying about what I want to do is it that hard to answer the question I asked? I don’t care if you think I should wait or not. If I wanna blast 2grams of tren in my shaft I’ll do whatever I want . The question was will it work. If you don’t know the answer then keep scrolling I could give a fuck about your opinion on what’s best for me. That’s where your fucking up. You think I need to listen to what you think. I don’t. And if I wanted to blast mast and look like shit again it still wouldn’t be a concern of yours. Learn how to answer questions instead of giving opinions on shit that has nothing to do with you.
Remember you’re all on a fucking website blasting illegal shit in your body. You or everyone else are not above anyone. I don’t care how long you have done this. Makes 0 difference to me. At the end of the day the website is here to ask questions. If you don’t like it hope of the beginner section if it bothers you
While it’s great to have a pissing match on why I want to run what I’m running I was asking if the dosage would work and be worth while. Does anyone have experience running mast at 400 with test around the same?
Also i do have a reliable source for mast but they only have mast p right now. If that’s something you guys still are interested in you can message me and I can let you know where. Very reliable source but no E unfortunately
Ranger3252You’re not going to find Mast E and your not running prop at 400 a week, 50 mg per day is how you run mast prop.
Am I wrong for saying mast has AI properties? Obviously you have been around awhile but I don’t think I’m wrong on this one…. And if I am then that’s my mistake. I’m pretty sure I’m not tho… look at the pic I posted up top
I can send you the source who has it in a DM. It’s pricey but it’s legit and from a good source. They are price gouging tho for what’s left
I know 5 sources off the top of my head with mast e in stock. Mast P is still easy to get.
Say what? Better pm me that shit
17% will raise that e2 number. What's the goal here? Might cardio down to 12% and hit a cutter diet/stack in may June.
Ranger3252My man, you definitely need to do some research and know what compound is what. Equipose is not a 19-nor. Also, where in Gods name are you going to find Mast E? Unless you’re going through my stash. Stick to testosterone at a trt dose until you know what compounds are what and what they do. I’m reading nothing about a diet and caloric intake etc…
Iv ran dbol and deca and im not a fan of the sides i get. I know blowing up from water retention is what they do but for me it just wasn’t something i liked. Also I started using finasteride topical which did wonders for me and you cant take finasteride with a 19nor so for me its not worth it
If you really wanna get YUGE you gotta work out in "private" with @Petecastiglione.
Gonna get weird, and ur gonna be sore in some strange places. Just got a trust the process and swallow whatever ends up in ur mouth.
Yea that’s the only way
Ranger3252What do you think Deca is? It’s a 19 nor man. This is why your posts recent and present make zero sense.
LOL I was fucking scratching my head reading this guys high IQ posts.
This dude doesn't know shit man and you can tell by his responses and how often he keeps asking questions on Eroids. The guy contradicts himself and has no idea why how or when to use an Ai. He has no clue what Testosterone does to the body little alone any other compound.
Like I said it has nothing to do with the 19nors I just threw that in there because I knew people would jump down my throat and say if you want size run deca or another 19nor. I just wanted opinions on the dosing and whether it was worth it.
Ranger3252Yea man, he’s posted before and a lot of people on here tried to give him some solid advice. I think he said he had ADHD which would make sense with some of stuff he posts.
I know eq isn’t a 19nor I’m educated on many compounds that was a separate statement. I don’t want to take a 19nor and eq I’m not fond of due to hemat raising since I’m in the higher range already
It’s ok to have some humility my dude.
Your comment has been negged and pending moderation? wtf?!
I have a crazy ex boyfriend by the name of @Chiblue98 that has a hard on for me.
Bitches be crazy
Ranger3252You clearly wrote you that eq is a 19 nor, your words not mine. “wanted to add a compound and I get some size but my only other option was EQ as I don’t want to run a 19nor” but you also state you’ve ran Deca, but don’t want to run 19 nor. You’re all over the place.
No I was just saying I don’t want to run a 19nor and I don’t want to run EQ. Sorry if it comes off as something different. I’m very educated on what each compound is that’s not what I’m asking. I was asking options on masteron and dosage. I was stating I don’t want to run a 19nor so people wouldn’t jump on me and say “ mast isn’t for size if you want size run dbol or deca or whatever else” that’s why I was stating that. Either way I’m telling you what I meant you guys can think whatever but can you answer my original question of if running mast at 400 is a waste or not ? And running it equal to test is possible
Look man you have been asking a lot of questions on this forum which his okay but its telling me that you need to really dig in and research on compounds and determine your own goals and what you want to achieve. You claimed you are against Ai's in another post and now you are wanting to run one. You need one you are taking Testosterone!! For your own health just stop taking gear until you understand the different Compounds, PCT, Esters, exc., when to take them, how often, what are good cycles for your goal, your blood work, exc. You have a lot of work to do.
Also the fact that you say I NEED to take an AI because I’m on test is wild to me. Then you’re going to tell me I need to get educated? That’s a wild thing to say. I don’t care what you think you know. Taking an AI off the rip just to do it is not the way. If you need it that’s fine but don’t go telling people they NEED to take one or they are dumb because that’s dumb af. I ask questions on things that I’m curious about if I haven’t done them myself. Doesn’t mean I’m clueless on the situation. Instead of answering the question you try to go off on a rant everytime trying to tell me what I know. I’m fully aware of what I’m doing and just like you everyone has an opinion but no one’s a professional. No matter how much you want to be. When you’re fully educated on every little compound and effect then you can tell me I’m dumb.
Dude give it up the fade is over you do not know shit and I can tell by your responses.
I didn’t say I was against an Ai I said I was against an AI long term. I literally said I’m fine with running them on blast but not for long term trt. When your blasting there’s many drugs people take for those 16-20 weeks to keep things in check that you wouldn’t want to run long term on trt. I don’t judge people who use AI but I do think they are over used and that’s just my opinion
Mast doesn’t affect E2.
Compounds don’t add size. Calories, volume, and sleep do.
Try some shit, see how you feel, and get bloodwork. That will determine what’s right for you.
What do you mean? People run Mast on cycle as a light AI? Why would people swap out an AI if it had no AI properties? I’m not trying to be a dick I’m just honestly asking because there’s many posts on here of people stating this and using it as one.
Also Masteron was made as a breast cancer drug and used because of its AI properties…