+ 3 Questions on HGH time and dosage (I did read the hgh “bible)
As the title states I did read many posts on here about this but unfortunately people have many opinions. Now I understand most of it but my questions is
if I like taking it before bed am I really going to shut off my own production (I’m 32) during that time? If I took it during the day would I still be signaling to my body to stop producing GH either way? It’s like if you inject test in the morning or at night does one actualky “shut” you down less? I don’t think so but again I’m not an HGH expert but to me it seems the second you inject GH your body is going to shut down either way. Am I wrong?
If I want to stay at 2 iu a day could I technically do 1iu mid day and 1 iu at night? Or morning or whenever . Or is this a waste of time at such a low dose? First time doing it so I’m trying to go slow I don’t want to get any crazy sides as I’m trying to learn.
Lastly and I guess most important. Does timing really make that big of a difference in the goals I’m trying to achieve? For instance I thought dosage is what determines your goal. 1-3 iu fat burning 4-10 (or more) mass building. If I’m taking 4 iu a day at night is it really not going to help me build muscle because taking it at that time is “for weight loss”. If I just loved taking it at night would I just never see muscle gain because I’m not taking it pre workout or post workout? Idk it seems like there’s optimal times but I find it hard to believe that it just totally ruins what you’re trying to do based on timing but again I could be wrong. I noticed when I took it at night I was sleepy. I’d like to get up to 4iU so I can burn fat and maybe put on size down the road but Im not there yet. I haven’t tried day time injections but it seems like a pain in the ass having to pin it around meals without eating alittle before or after. It’s way more convenient before bed for me but if it’s really that serious I’ll change it . If it’s proven that doing this is a waste or it’s only for recovery then I’d rather not waste it because that isn’t my goal. I’m just looking for an answer from someone who has actual proof from doing it or trying different ways.
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That whole shutdown crap has been debunked if someone is an advanced user they would know that. Show me someone who's tanked their levels below baseline..ok then
There is no restart for the pituitary. It doesn't work like that. It's about your goals. If you want to add on top of what you're producing then use it at night for bulking. If you want to up your metabolism for cutting then use it in the morning or daytime.
Unless you somewhat look like you're breaching competition level then yeah it's useful. Otherwise better to put the funds elsewhere
You don’t think a run of 6 months for a normal user would be worth it on a moderate dose of 4-5iu? Just curious I like to hear everyone’s opinion since I’m no expert. Keep in mind I have realistic expectations I know this isn’t going to put on massive size but more for fat loss and overall well being/ feeling good (recovery)
For fat loss it's most certainly worth it to use it everyday for an extended period.
Is there a need for a worry to become a pre-diabetic at hobbyist level dosages without taboo. I personally don't feel so.
Is it great for spot injecting pre and post. Especially for lagging body parts. My calves would definitely agree.
And as for the shutdown. It's temporary. Super temporary. Do I believe in hgh blasts. Yes
Perfect that makes me feel more comfortable. I started with 1iu now I’m at 2iu at night . No crazy side effects but I did notice neck pain had popped up since moving to 2iu . I assume that’s just a side effect with my neck muscles similar to carpel tunnel . I’m going to wait a week then try to go for 3iu and so on. Thanks for all the info definitely answered all my questions!
Ranger3252I do love cock it a known thing around these parts
This guy lol I don’t discriminate I heard it adds gains
Ranger3252I apologize, been a lot of bots and nonsense on here lately. You have proven your way young Padawon
No it’s fine I’m just busting your balls lol I don’t take offense to it. Iv seen some of the people on here and it does seem like they are slightly retarded--
Need to clear out all that prolactin surrounding their brain...
Ranger3252No worries my man, if you have anymore questions with GH lmk. It’s been apart of my life for quite sometime.
Since I’m new to this how long would you recommend waiting to bump up the dose? 2 weeks - 3 weeks then up it another 1iu or is this too soon? Also I’m taking the berberine 15 min before each meal. My glucose is fine now but if it starts to move in the wrong direction what number would you say is the point where I should back off? Fast glucose above 100-105? Regular glucose above 145? I don’t even want the risk of entering diabetic range
Don't even need to sweat it until you're above 6 IU. Over that you must incorporate other unspoken compounds. Which I doubt you ever will be because why roll the dice with your life. I haven't used in a while but I've used it every which way. The best way is two IU pre and post into the worked muscle groups. It takes a lot of money to find that out if you're seeking raw growth. Although many of the other perks are very nice
No you’re 100% right that’s too advanced for me I’m just giving it a shot to see what those other benefits are. The fat loss and overall recovery is all I’m going for. If I even see a small amount of muscle growth I’d be more than satisfied as I don’t expect any crazy gains from 4iU. Mostly just doing it to try it out and if it’s not for me it will probably be my one and done run
You can dose pre bedtime. If over 4iu then you can split 2 pre bed and 2 at another time. I did 2iu am bout 2hrs pre-workout.
Hgh test for blood test but get your high tested with no pinned hgh for baseline. Testing pinned hgh you pin and test 3hrs later for peak. Privatemdlabs, quest etc. It's no miracle cure. Especially when you are younger and natty hgh is higher.
I had a yearly checkup and they had that included in my bloodwork . I assume you’re talking igf1 levels right? Mine was 134 I’m also 32 years old so I assume that’s probably normal not super high but not super low
Igf1 yes! Peptides can raise hgh but not igf1 which is what we're aiming for
Ranger3252Your post makes zero sense, then in your latest post you say you’re taking Reta and berberine.
Also this post had nothing to do with Reta or berberine it had to do with asking if it is even possible to take GH and continue to produce your own while on it by not taking it at night which I already assumed was wrong but so many people on here keep saying it.
Other part of it was if taking it at night had that much effect on fat loss vs mass building. This had nothing to do with what to take with hgh I just stated what I happened to be taking.
Ranger3252Has anyone else noticed these new posters always state they are taking “ Reta and berberine”? Just putting it out there. Just seems weird along with their entire dissertation to gain their doctorate degree. Is anyone else feeling like wasting time writing a legitimate response to this nonsense? I know some of you guys put so much time and effort into answering every little detail, but this is getting out of hand.
I’m confused on what you’re mad about? Why is it an issue that I’m taking Reta and berberine? Should I not be? I was taking the Reta already before the GH. I only added in the berberine this week because literally everyone on here says for beginners and people taking low dose you should take berberine and stay away from metformin. What doesn’t make sense….
Ranger3252No one is mad, you’re just full of shit wasting peoples time on nonsense. Lying about shit, when someone comes in with good advice “you’re already doing it.” Seen this song and dance one to many times lately. But you have ADHD and would definitely not have mentioned what you’re currently running, GTFO! Another bot or person with an agenda.
Tell me you’re not that dense. Why would I go on about things I’m taking when my question was about GH. Why would you care about what else I’m taking when it does nothing for GH . Im not going to talk about the test I’m taking just to talk about it. I think you’re paranoid that everyone’s a bot and I still don’t get what benefit that would be to me to just keep asking questions to waste your time. I legit have a post on here with pictures of what I received along with the source I used. So idk what else to tell you
How do you figure? What am I full of shit about? You make no sense at all. I ask a question then you go on a rant about me wasting people’s time? Then don’t answer the question lol im not making you do anything. What do you expect from people I just don’t get your point of view. Everytime someone asks something you go on a rant about it wasting people time. How the fuck am I suppose to get answers when they haven’t been answered in other forums here.do you expect people who are new to certain compounds to just guess? Or not try to find the proper way to run it? Not being a dick I just don’t get what I did wrong that you think k I’m wasting your time. Me taking Reta has nothing to do with this post I just happened to be taking it and ya a lot of people are because it’s literally the “new” thing. Don’t you try new shit?
Ranger3252I don’t try new shit because I’ve tried it all and I know how to call out bullshit posts. Post a pic of your gh and Reta and I can reverse image search BTW. Oh and your made up Berberine. What else are you running gear wise?
Can you get off my ass about being a bot now lol
I made a special one for you so you can believe it’s real
Ranger3252How did you know I like the cock
Just did there ya go buddy
Pre + post only here. My metabolism is high enough as it is so everyday would be a waste. Although I do miss that morning bump
It doesn’t matter what time of day you take it, it’s going to shut down your natural production. iGF-1 has too long of a half life.
Take it all before bed. It’s the safest option when it comes to glucose and insulin sensitivity. I’ve taken it all at night, I’ve split dosed it, I’ve taken it 3x a day. Results were always pretty similar. IGF-1 has a very long half life, like 16-24hrs. So whether you’re taking it pre or post or at night your IGF-1 levels are going to remain fairly consistent throughout the day. So they’ll still be high pre or post workout. It takes hours for serum GH levels to peak after a SubQ injection, and IGF-1 follows the rise in GH so taking it pre or post workout isn’t really doing much for you. If you wanted peak IGF-1 levels post workout you’d take it like 4-5hrs before. But I personally think it’d better to have peak IGF-1 levels when you’re sleeping and muscles are rebuilding. And like I said with the long half life you’re levels will still be plenty high around time of workout.
I do fasted cardio most mornings. I used to take a dose of GH first thing in the morning about an hour before cardio. And now I take it all at night right before bed so roughly 8hrs before cardio and I actually feel fat loss has been better since switching to night. Probably because taking it 1hr before cardio is not nearly enough time for it to really kick in. 2 is probably the bare minimum. And the lipolysis effect is likely in full swing 8hrs post subq injection while still fasted.
Is insulin sensitivity inevitable for everyone or is it possible that some people can continue to run it in theory forever and never deal with that? Like I have great glucose numbers could it stay like that or is it just a matter of time. Just curious I doubt I’ll be running it like some of you guys I’m not a pro I just like trying new things so I’ll prob do a 3 month run then give it a rest
If you take it at night time right before bed you really shouldn’t have issues with blood sugar. Most people don’t. But a small percentage still do. I would guess the people who do had shitty insulin sensitivity to begin with. Now it’s another story if you take it during the day. Much higher chance of issues if you do that.
I wouldn’t stop after 3 months. GH is a slow burner. Needs to be run for 6 months at a bare minimum, preferably longer. 3 months is right when things start to get interesting.
Odds are very high you won’t see insulin sensitivity issues if dosing 3-5iu before bed. Possible? Yes. But very unlikely
Exactly. I remember 1 person on here who did. Everyone else has been fine. Really any amount before bed is fine. If you look in all the studies and literature for serostim where the dosing protocol is 18iu everyday before bed very few patients had issues.
Ya that’s what I heard, I’m new to it so I wanted to start it and see how my body reacts. I’m not a pro or anything I just like to try new things and get some nice Gains (not just mass but fat burning and recovery, I know GH takes awhile). When I hit the 1 month mark I’ll place another order to get me to the 6 month mark. I asked ranger up top already but what’s your opinion on glucose numbers? I’m going to keep bumping up u til I hit 4iU but I want to make sure I stay in the safe zone BG wise. If those numbers start the climb what’s the point where I should back off? If my Fastimg
Numbers break 100? Or do I have some room past that? Same with regular glucose.
Ya that’s what I’m going to stick to, I was just curious on the shutting down production. A ton of people are saying if you don’t take it at night you can still get your “natural” production . I just didn’t see how that’s possible and as I can see from most of you it’s not lol
Taking it in the morning to still get your nighttime release is what we believed 10+ years ago when I first started on GH. If you were on less than 4ius ED you’d take it all in the morning and once you got up to 4 or more you’d split it morning and night. That’s all ancient bioscience now. We know better.
Yes that was my belief too. Instantly felt better with more fat loss taking before bed
UNIT_take it all before bed... simple
Thank you
Can you sum up what your questions are more cohesively.
My bad I have adhd sometimes it’s hard for me to get my point across --
Does injecting it at night really shut off your natural production vs injecting during the day? I feel like either way your injecting exogenous GH so wouldn’t you shut off your production either way?
Could I split the 2iu night and after noon or is that too small of a dose to even bother
Does it really matter whether I do night time or day time for wanting to burn fat and eventually put on alittle size in the future (obviously it takes awhile). People tend to say if you inject at night it’s only for recovery, if you inject morning in empty stomach that’s for fat lose. If I was blasting 4-5iu before bed would I not get any muscle benefit because I’m not taking it pre or post workout? Or will it work either way based on dosage ?
GH works in pulses, mostly at night. When you pin GH: Your natural pulses drop….But you don’t go “flatline” like with testosterone, and once you stop, your natural GH rebounds normally
So yeah, it blunts your own GH while you’re on… but it doesn’t destroy it or shut it down permanently…
Yes
It does matter a bit … not for “magic timing,” but because insulin changes how GH behaves.
When you take GH fasted, the GH peak lasts longer —> more fat-burning…
When you take GH with carbs/insulin elevated, the fat-burning effect gets blunted —> the benefits shift more toward IGF-1 + muscle growth, like SeeOhShow beautifully explained…
That’s why some guys pair it pre and post-workout with “those we do not speak of” … the synergy is crazy for growth…
So:
* Fasted AM = best for fat loss
* Pre-bed or with food = still works, better for recovery and growth
And yes … 4–5 IU will still build muscle regardless of timing. Dose matters way more than the exact hour you pin it. Consistency is key.
Both shut it down.
You can do this no problem.
This is getting in the weeds. Technical answer: Longer you stay fasted, the longer the GH peak lasts and thus the lipolysis effect of GH. HGH with carbs, and thus a corresponding insulin response because of it, will shift it more towards the IGF-1/growth response.
Real answer: take that shit whenever is convenient for you so you can consistently take it day after day. What really matters is getting it in your system consistently.
Answer is propahhhh^
Perfect that’s what I was looking for. Thank you. I see people talk about waiting to eat a few hours after taking so you don’t jack up your glucose and become insulin resistant. Does this still apply? Or are you saying if I want growth I need to take the GH then eat right after ?
For growth you’d wanna take it preworkout, go lift, then have a high protein, high carb, low fat meal after lifting.
Regarding insulin resistance, depends how much you take, your genetics regarding insulin resistance/sensitivity, and/or what other meds you take. GH has never caused my fasting glucose to raise even taking up to 10IU/day. Other people I’ve seen their fasting BG get to 100+ on just 2-3IU/day.
You can take metformin or berberine (I'd start with berberine). Or even micro dose something like Reta/tirz to combat the insulin resistance issue. Tirz is stronger on the insulin sensitization but also on the appetite suppression. Gotta eat to grow. I personally like Reta more and I take it all year, bulking or cutting.
So I was recently told that the 2iu is just a replacement dose for me at 32 years old. I bumped up to 3iu that last 2 nights and now I’m waking up with crazy high anxiety , and I can’t really explain it but just feel like trash. Maybe similar to the flu. Not so much my muscles just mentally drained. Is this from jumping up to quick? Or is this not normal? I’m going to get blood work done to make sure it’s legit but 3 others who bought the same said their igf levels did go up so I assume it’s legit ugl GH. If you say this is normal I’ll just stay at this dose and wait it out.
Also I’m only about a week in. Started at 1iu the. Jumped to the 3. Just for background info
Never had those issues from GH. 2IU can or cannot be a replacement dose. It’s extremely individual. I’ve seen people pull almost 400 igf levels off 2IU. I get like 300 igf on 5 IU regardless of brand and I’ve tried several.
Ya I figured, I’ll order a blood test to get actual number. If my levels are higher is there still a chance this ugl GH could be fake with something else? Or is that a pretty good indicator it’s good to go? Only reason I ask is I’d like to have a definite answer so I can place a bigger order since I had really good experience with this source(customer service and shipping wise). Once I’m confident everything is 100%. Don’t wanna drop a ton of money if it’s still a mystery lol might just have to move up to an actual branded kit and pay the extra money just for peace of mind