posted Mon, 09/22/2025 - 03:24
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+ 1 My plan for a first cycle – any advice?
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Hi, I've been planning my first cycle for a few weeks now. I've read a lot online, but every website seems to give completely different information, so I decided to post my current plan here. I’d really appreciate any advice or suggestions.
I’ve been training for several years, and my main goal is to gain a lot of muscle mass and strength, but I don’t want to use needles.
Daily cycle plan:
Dianabol – 30 mg
Winstrol – 30 mg
Arimidex – 0.5 mg
Duration: 4 weeks
Then PCT:
Clomid – 50 mg
Nolvadex – 20 mg
For another 2 weeks
What do you think?
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Unfortunately, it will be very difficult to run any good cycles without testosterone. It can be done but there is a very likely chance of bad side effects, and it will be extremely difficult to keep any gains you might make (which likely won't be a lot from just 4 weeks of dbol). Anavar is a decent option if you just want to run an oral for an extended period. It will shut down test levels but mildly compared to dbol or anadrol and does not aromatize. I am interested in what you decide and how it goes, keep us updated.
If you don't want to use needles then stay away from AAS. Oral only cycles are usually retarded, especially the one you laid out.
Not all cycles require frequent injections by the way. If you could manage injections just twice per week, you could definitely run a solid testosterone cycle which is the only first cycle people should be running imo.
If you absolutely wanna run an oral-only cycle though, I'd drop the winstrol for anavar and run a much lower dose of dbol just for an e2 boost. I don't think this would even be a good idea though.
If your afraid of needles your current cycle should look something like this:
Chicken - Rice
Duration: Until tired then make the swap to Beef and Rice
Then PCT:
Steak - Potatoes
Maybe Sweet Potatoes if your feeling Frisky
Train your ass off
Repeat
In all reality oral only cycles are stupid and a waste of time, you say “I’ve read a lot online” I would for sure check your sources. 4 week dbol/winstrol cycle will shut you down for maybe 10 pounds of glycogen and water weight, all to lose it in 2 weeks. Now your shutdown having no will to train, with a wet noodle for a dick.
Test only first cycle. Not in your 20s. Do the ground work in the gym and hop on test if you still want to commit to that lifestyle 30s onwards. At your age your test levels aren’t worth messing around with. Don’t take steroids without testosterone, ever.
You need at least a trt dose of test. I’d do 4 weeks pct, first two weeks 40mg Nolva, next two 20mg. Clomid is fine 50mg for full 4. Arimidex absolutely not 3.5mg a week unless symptoms or bloods show e2 that you need that much. If you can’t inject test and would rather run two orals I wouldn’t bother.
Am I the only one that noticed OP is only 24 years old?
Your proposed cycle is going to shut you down, and cause you problems. You shouldn't even be using aas at your age.
Spend the next couple years getting as big as you can natty and tinkering with your diet. Of course you're gonna do what you're gonna do, but don't say you weren't warned.
Do testosterone only if you're gonna do anything at all.
Most people are gonna comment on the lack of test - I wanna mainly just say the arimidx may not be needed - it’s very strong and if you’re goal is to gain muscle you’re gonna have a difficult time with no estrogen plus you’re not gonna feel happy or in a good mood. I would hold off on the arimidex and maybe just add in a little eq or primo. Like 400 test & 200 eq and no ai. I know you’re not a fan of injecting but brother this is the game you can always just do 27 gauge 1/2” needles those are like nothing lol
Allergic to needles, brother?
In bodybuilding there’s one golden rule test is the base. Sure, sometimes you’ll have other compounds run higher, but trying to swap out test with Dbol is an old mistake that never ends well, IMHO.
You do you, test it if you want, but personally I wouldn’t touch that approach in a million years.
Just run test... Oral only is going to just cause problems, you will end up shut down feeling like shit and unnecessarily stressing your liver. By the time you PCT you will loose most if not all of your gains. Start on 250 mg of test for a few months and see how you do. If it's going well you can start adding more test. Your going to have to just get over the fear of needles. With insulin needles you literally barely feel anything most of the time.
your going to have to take testosterone regardless taking all that without taking testosterone will destroy you with fatigue and other problems