+ 1 Summer cycle for lean gains.
Haven’t written a post on here for a while so I’d like to get people’s opinions on a cycle I’m looking to run over summer.
Stats;
45
93kg
6’1”
13-15% bf (callipers)
Been cycling off and on for 15 years. Used most steroids including all the ones I’m listing for this cycle.
I’m self administering TRT at 125mg testosterone U per week, injected once every two weeks (250mg). No PCT now unfortunately. Bloods just come back all good.
On top of that I wanted to run a sensible cycle. Nothing crazy as I’m getting old and as most of you know seem to get more side effects as we level up in age.
Moved house 3 times in the last 5 months and had the flu during this time so my physique has suffered a little. This is to bring it back to where I want it.
Want to get to a solid 95kg
So I thought;
125mg test U to keep the trt stability going
250mg test e
400mg primo
2ui HGH thoughout
Also using BPC157 for a bit of golfers elbow.
This per week running for 14-16 weeks
Tbol at 30mg per day for the first 5 weeks. I know it’s not a great kicker but gets the ball rolling a little sooner.
What are your thoughts? Also to note, I have pre existing gyno that’s shrunk to almost nothing and I get back pumps quite bad and I want to keep a level of cardio from running.
Thanks
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Cycle looks clean and well thought out for your goals…but just being real, 375mg total Test (U + E) + 400mg Primo isn’t really “low dose.” It’s a respectable cycle, especially with GH in there. With your gyno history, I’d definitely keep an eye on E2 …
Test U pinned every 2 weeks can spike and dip hard, which might be part of that issue. Ever consider splitting it weekly?
Also, 30mg Tbol is on the low side, either bump to 40–50mg or skip it altogether and let the injectables do the work.
Out of curiosity … what’s your SHBG like? And have you run this kind of Test/Primo combo before?
I have considered injecting test U every week instead of every other. I’ll be pinning it twice weekly in the barrel with the rest during the cycle and will switch to every week after the cycle. Thanks.
My fear was the pumps from the Tbol stopping my cardio and therefore being counter productive. That’s why 30mg. I can ramp it up if it means I can do cardio but time will tell.
Last test was last week on my trt dose and SHBG was 20.1nmol/l range is 18.3-54.1. So a little on the low side. Why’s that? I’ve ran test primo before with primo being higher in the 600-800 range
All good calls, brother. On the Tbol I got you 100% … you’re right to be cautious, but for most guys it actually helps cardio by boosting endurance and red blood cell output. That’s why it was used in East German doping programs.
https://academic.oup.com/clinchem/article/43/7/1262/5640958
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29544993/
So yeah, 30mg is fine to start, but if you’re tolerating it, 40–50mg might benefit performance even more.
And that SHBG at 20 means free test is running high, so you’ll feel E2 shifts more. Keeping Test stable and Primo higher still looks like the best move for your setup IMHO. I mean your cycle plan is pretty good IMO … just stay tight on bloods.
How do you deal with potentially crashing your estro
From the primo? I’ve ran primo in the 600-800 range and felt my estro was too low so I was keeping it at a 1:1 ratio this time or there abouts.
I suppose if I did feel a crash I’d pin some prop and increase the long ester test?
I used to be ok running primo higher but now my estro crashes. I always have dbol on hand
I haven’t got any dbol. I’ve not done it for years but a healthy dose of prop always seemed to do the trick.
Looks good to me. Simple, safe and effective. I’ve had great results with Tbol in that 20-30mg/day range. I personally would run the HGH a little higher, but no real harm doing just 2 IU per day if that’s what you like.
I may ramp it up but I’ve had the whole numb arm business before when I got up to 3ui a day and it wasn’t pleasant. I may have ramped up too quickly though. Currently on 1.5ui/d