posted Fri, 01/03/2025 - 12:24
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PIP from 1st time ever hip/glut Test E injection
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Hey all first post in General Talk. Always learning new things so thanks in advance.
So the first 2 shoulder injections last week were easy, just a bit sore afterwards? But this week (after following advice) the right glut was the place and what nelly, it feels like I got kicked hard in my ass hip. I went slowly, did not over aspirate, no infections and no swelling just legit muscle pain. Is this normal for a first time glut injection? Thanks.
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For TRT dose of test I use 27g 1/2" needles. No issues anywhere (it's a slow injection though). For larger blast shots I use a 25g 1" pin to get it a little deeper (and to not have to inject for a minute with the a amount of oil pushing through the pin).
You could have the PIP if it's virgin muscle. Your body will get used to this as you continue to inject the same muscle. I remember the first time injecting into my quad I could barely walk for almost a week. I have since removed quads from the rotation.
Another issue with PIP could be the carrier oil or the source of its not top quality or your body doesn't like it. Some people react differently to different oils
AK80Easy Touch 30g x 1/2" is all I have used for the past 2 years. Jab them anywhere you want.
Honestly, same for me. I use 29g 1/2” for IM up to 1cc a day and have never had a lump or overly painful injection since. I stay pretty lean year round so I can see some guys wanting 1” for glutes but I still think slin pins are pretty much all you need
You can be 5% and still be hitting shallow IM with SubQ leakage in most spots when using 1/2” which much oil at all- this can be much more drastic when using high concentration oils/painful solvents.
There are outliers who can get away with little to no pain, but the majority of people are risking swelling, pip, leakage, etc. by solely using slin pins imo.
I use 29/30g 1/2” for 0.5cc or under delts/biceps/Tri/Traps and subQ peptides
Quads, Glutes, VG, etc. I’d really want an inch at the least. I honestly normally use 25-27g 1 1/4”, 1”, or 1 1/2”.
I’ve experimented with slin pins and while the bloodwork is similar the risk of abscess, swelling, pip, etc. is much more especially with other compounds/solvents as mentioned.
Don’t take this as argumentative or trying to start anything just my personal opinions formulated from experiences and discussions.
I am interested in what you do when running something such as primo or anything lower concentration where y’all have to use lots of oil- Do you just do 1cc pins and do 3-4 at a time haha? Split ED over week?
Anything over 0.5cc at 1/2” scares me with leakage. I couldn’t imagine trying to put 3cc of anything that shallow though
I do agree for small amounts on smaller muscles they can be efficient especially for guys scared of needles.
Convenience definitely comes into play especially if just on trt or something.
So I’ll say up front that I recognize that I might just be an outlier since I’ve never had a single bump, leaky site or sore spot, at least not more than you’d expect with a longer needle. I wouldn’t suggest that everyone do what I do and obviously everyone’s different so people should do whatever works for them.
That being said, I do ED injections and that gives me 7 cc of oil per week which has so far been more than enough, even when running compounds that require more volume. I also have mixed higher concentration test in to cut down on volume a bit and this would work fine with EQ/deca/whatever I’m sure. The lower concentration oils balance out to where pip really is minimal.
This made me think of something kind of interesting though, are some people just less sensitive to oil leakage like we see with pip? My last cycle I was running ~1 cc a day (dhb and test) and never got a single lump using 1/2” slin pins and mct oils. I have a bubby irl who gets huge lumps at every site with mct even with 1” needles and has to use gso or other thick oils. Are my muscles just more absorbent? I also don’t really get pip, even from prop or dhb (undiluted) so I don’t know if that’s connected somehow.
I don’t think you came off as argumentative at all and I hope you feel the same about me. You brought up some great points and gave me something to think about.
If you're new to injections I would just stick with glutes. Just rotate left/right, repeat. I've injected as much as 3g gear split 2x ew and strictly used glutes, no issues. Pinning shoulders and stuff is where you will run into serious problems, nerves, pip, etc. Avoid smaller muscle groups that have arteries running through them. If you went to a TRT Dr. they would tell you use glutes and upper quads. Hope that helps. Good luck.
Shoulders were my fav spot. I can't push no more when it's in there cuz it to hard to reach. Quads twitch almost every time ihit em. Hip and glute is best now if i can reach.
Ranger3252Could’ve hit a nerve, nicked a vein, virgin muscle..One reason I personally stopped injected quads was always horrible pip. Always walked like a pimp for a week. No one could ever explain it, but every time I injected my quads the pip was insane. Different oils, heat, massage, sources etc.. Delts and glutes never an issue. Hopefully it was just a virgin muscle pin.
I think so because no swelling and the gear was absorbed well. Today I can finally give up "that swag life walk" :-)
So "virgin muscle pinning" (vmp) is a thing?
Hitting quads for a while now and recently had a bad injection, severe pip, for a few days.
I also dont aspirate, and never had issues.
Just goes that way sometimes.
Hey what size needle for glute I use 27 half inch for
For deltoid
Wanted to try a new spot any recommendations? Also what size?
I have 25 gauge 5/8
100 of them in box not sure if those will work
I have a few options depending how much oil i am shooting, (blast or cruise)
Delts and quads 27g -29g .5in needles
Glute 25g - 27g 1in needles
I draw everything with 25g needles.
I shoot delts and quads, wife helps me with glutes since i get shaky a bit.
Quads you can hit the sides or top, i only hit sides since the top is tatted and i am not as vascular to see the veins.
Google tesoterone shot, hit image and gives you layouts or youtube videos.
Also, you probably didnt do your glute shot in the muscle and was more sub Q. That would explain the pain more since you would have a layer of oil sitting right outside the muscle.
If your leaner than you can get away with shorter needles, bigger person uses longer needles. Some guys on here us 1.5in needles due to how much muscle or fat they have.
"you probably didn't do your glute shot in the muscle and was more sub Q" You could be onto something. I am 13.5% BF but my 25g are 2.5cm long. Should I get longer needles for the glutes?
I would try a longer needle tbh. Doesnt hurt to try, but also virgin muscles do hurt. Maybe a mixture of both.
My 25g are 0.98 inches long and I have yet find thinner gauges. The 25g is good, and the barrels are designed for slow injections
What we have done on here is mark a dot on your ass or were you injected and post it up in the comments. Helps us guide you were to inject.
Amazon has a huge selction of needles. I use leur locks.
If i am cruising i use the 27g but when blasting, i never go under 25g, fuck the 23g lol.
You might be .02 too short. But foreals, on glute, my wife dont pinch the fat or anything and just sticks, slow injection, and pulls out. Sometimes even the 1in is borderline.
ok got it but I got no wifey pinching my cheeks no more, so lucky you
You got this. Keep us updated to help.
Well explained bro thank you so much!
Ofcourse dude, not the biggest fan of needles so anything i can do to help.
There are guys that mirco dose and use smaller needles every day.
If doing peptides, I use 30/31g Neeldes 5/16 or .5 inch length
Same here
As long as its not red, hot to touch, or your getting fever its normal for a first time injection. Massage the area, take hot showers, and use a heat pad. Virgin muscles suck but you’ll get use to it.
I was wondering about using or avoiding a massager gun?
I’ve been using a massage gun for years, helps a lot.
OK thanks
Yes its normal under the circumstances youve provided. Personally I don't aspirate, first few times I did ye ole reach around to the arse and tried to aspirate I ended up being all shakey trying to pull the plunger back and just digging the needle tip around inside of me. Bled a bit after the shot and was pretty darn sore. I just jab slow and go mate. Put a hot compress on it in your downtime, pop an ibuprofen, and keep an eye on it as the week progresses and make sure it does not get progressively worse.
The aspiration was a bit tricky but it went ok. How long should I wait to put a hot compress on? I inject my left glute tomorrow morning --