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Hello everyone. So a little bit about me and I've finally hit my 40s and I want to achieve some superficial goals. My entire life I have been in shape. I've never gain more than a couple pounds here in there and I have pretty good cardiovascular health with regular blood check ups. Cholesterol is fine then I thought about my testosterone.

So I've decided to combine some goals into one: leverage testosterone to help achieve a better physique. Cycles and stacking and injecting all very new to me.

I'm going to start by saying and starting with an oral cycle (but I don't know if you can call that a cycle) because all I have is Stanozolol, Oyxmetholone and Methyldrostanolone, with some Tamoxifen citrate just in case. Honestly I just wanted to know if my body would be OK with the stuff. So I mostly have 10mgs Stanozodol tabs.

I don't know how to inject and I'm not comfortable with any of this until I get deeper into it and get to know and trust people. Go to needles but I have no clue how to do any of that crap, yet. So yeah that's me.

lacie's picture

Wow, thanks to all of you. Tomorrow I am getting my bloodwork, and also I ordered some ampules of Test E - 20 x 1ml x250mg/ml, Test C - 20 x 1ml x250mg/ml and Test P - 20 x 1ml x 100mg/ml for a trusted source. Should I not try to take any of my orals until the Test arrives? Thanks in advance!

Jockstrap's picture

You need a few hours doing your own research.

Jockstrap's picture

Get a blood test first then look at options. At your age you might mave low t, cholesterol . Smile
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lacie's picture

in the works already, thanks

CRAZY DOSER's picture

I say, add Testosterone in your cycle: Testosterone Enanthate or Cypionate at 250-300 mg or more per week. Typically, a cycle consisting only of oral products has a negative impact on your liver and cholesterol levels. Without a solid base like testosterone, your results will be gone quickly .

If you decide to use only oral products, consider Dianabol (D-bol) and Oxandrolone (Anavar). These are the most suitable options for your situation. However, all the oral steroids you have available typically come with specific and often harsh side effects, making them hard for beginners.

Regarding your fear of injections, I think this is a natural reaction due to a lack of information. Please note:

-Injection-based methods usually allow you to choose the essential base steroids that are unavailable or partially unavailable in oral form. By avoiding injections, your cycle results will be mediocre, and you’ll eventually need to increase the dosages of oral steroids, raising the risk of side effects.

-Most oral products are modified to prolong their bioavailability (alkylation of the steroid molecule), which exerts a suppressive effect on the liver and can sometimes damage cell membranes. You can easily verify this by doing a blood test for ALT and AST enzymes after a few weeks of using oral steroids. Most likely, you’ll see a significant increase beyond the reference values.

-You might have a misconception about the process of using injectable steroids, and your concerns could be exaggerated. Many older recommendations for using injections are outdated and don’t reflect current practices. For beginners today, injections are simple, easy, and almost painless.

ONESICK's picture

I'm strongly against oral only cycles. I understand some don't like to inject but that's just how it goes. You will lose any results you get,crash your T and just feel like absolute shit. Try a test only cycle to start. You have to start with the father of them all. It's pretty broad spectrum and will give you sufficient results to start. Test C or E 500mg a week Keep an AI and PCT on hand just in case. AI is user choice, I like aromasin better but some like arimidex. PCT, I'd get some clomid as well. Tamox and clomid go hand in hand with PCT. There are numerous videos you youtube you can watch on how to inject. Especially for a beginner, I would just target the glutes. You don't have to over complicate it with various muscle groups, etcetera. The glutes are relatively painless and you don't really feel anything. If something were to go wrong, well it's your glutes and nobody will see it vs your delts if you like to show off arms.

lacie's picture

good advice thanks

SLAMTHATTREN's picture

Alright, brother, you’re dipping your toes in, and that’s fine—better to go slow than to dive in blind. Starting with orals like Stanozolol (Winstrol) is common for beginners, but remember: orals can be harsh on your liver, especially if you’re stacking multiple compounds. Keep cycles short (4-6 weeks max) and run liver support like NAC or TUDCA.

If you’re just testing how your body reacts, stick with one compound at a time—don’t throw Anadrol or Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone) into the mix right now. Stanozolol at 20-30mg/day can help you lean out and tighten up, but don’t expect massive gains.

As for needles, take your time. When you’re ready, learn how to inject properly—Test is the foundation of any real cycle, and you’ll get better results with less risk. For now, keep it simple, listen to your body, and keep an eye on your bloodwork.

lacie's picture

OK I will avoid the Methyldrostanolone for now, run a short cycle (planned 6-8 weeks) and get some Test vials. In truth, I do not want to get massive gains in this first cycle, just prep my body for next years work.

press1's picture

Believe me - You will not get Massive gains without actually wanting them in any steroid cycle, even then you will probably lose half of them within 2 weeks of coming off cycle. To get half decent gains you will have to get adequate sleep every night, you will have to be eating non stop and getting in enough protein, you will have to lift weights with a higher Blood pressure level and natural resting heart rate which in turn make it harder than being natural. You will have to inject yourself 2 to 3 times per week, you will have to make sure you don't get bitch tits, you will have to take BP meds if it goes too high. You will have to get blood work if you want to do things properly to monitor all organ and blood parameters etc. You will have to lay out several hundred dollars on various products including things you didn't think you even needed, you will have to learn how to inject yourself and deal with pain and swelled up muscle for three to four days afterwards - BELIEVE ME STEROID GAINS DO NOT COME UNLESS YOU REALLY WANT THEM.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Oxymethalone and winstrol oral is a good strong stack, they kind of balance each other out also. It would make u strong as fuck too. For a first cycle might not be so good. But what are u really trying to do? Either your gonna dive in or your not. And doing this comes with doing injections. 27g 1 inch syringe u won't even feel it going in. I hated injecting myself until i started using these. But if you insist and don't want to inject i would get those test deconate capsules that look like a vitamin e pill. And just take extra. You'd end up getting so used to injecting to it would just be like brushing your teeth.

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lacie's picture

IN the long run, I want to achieve sub 10% BMI, various lifting goals and some superficial looks. Because in truth I don't know if I am prone to gyno, acne, roid rage or baldness. Because I love my full head of hair (at 44yo), clear skin, calm nature (thanks to good diet, no alcohol, therapy and overall well-being) BUT I am concerned about gyno. It seems like I not matter how much I diet and lose weight, I still have fat on my pectorals. I've seen lifters with a big belly and no chest fat lifting like Hulks all my life. Yes I want strength and power and aethestics but not to risk more man boobs. I probably sound silly but I am quite serious.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

Usually if your not bald by now u won't be. U are talking about taking one of the worst steroids for that too winstrol. Did u have gyno issue going through puberty that's usually an indicator you'll be prone.

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lacie's picture

Stanozodol is one of the worst for what?
My brothers have receding hairlines but not me, and I never had gyno problems, just extra fat on my pecs.

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

The worst for balding. At your age u probably won't lose your hair no matter what especially if you have no lightening anywhere. People who go bald are people who are gonna eventually anyway. Gyno probably wouldn't be a big issue. It's really manageable though.

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lacie's picture

thanks

Spool's picture

I’ve been doing 400/500mg of Test E for 6/7 weeks and I also tried Tren E/A a bit just to see my bodies reaction(not recommended). I initially did 2 injections of Test(M/Th) per week and started to get tingly nipples; switched to 3 per week(M/W/F) and it went away. I have fatty pecs as well and full head of hair. I haven’t experienced any gyno or hair loss of any kind. I have Ai on hand but haven’t used it. I’m very keen on monitoring my bodies reaction. You will enjoy the Test Only cycle more than you probably think. I haven’t run orals yet but I have Provi on hand as well.

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lacie's picture

Thank for your insight. Would you recommend a Test Suspension, Test Enanthate, Test Propinate or Test Cyponinate (ok now I feel like we're in chem 101 LOL)

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

The faster the ester or no ester will give more side effects

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lacie's picture

Sorry I don't understand. Ester is "faster" while "no ester" is more side effects?

Mikeyt84LINY's picture

The faster releasing the testosterone. Like propionate is fast so it dumps a bunch in you fast which could lead to more aromatizing effects. Tne would dump the most the fastest which IMO would give the harshest estrogen related side

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lacie's picture

got it ok

Spool's picture

Enanthate or Cypionate. I haven’t tried Cyp yet but I am loving Enan. It’s a preference thing. With Test E you can get away with 1, 2, or 3 shots per week(or more I guess); With C you can possibly do 1 per week or 1 every 2 weeks. Injection volume and frequency can cause changes in blood levels and side effects, it varies. This is where you experiment to find your sweet spot.

Suspension, Prop are much more frequent shots(Everyday/Every Other) because the body can absorb the esters extremely fast. I have Prop on hand and it is in and out in about a day. Works great as a kicker to start and end a cycle too. Also the costs add up because you will go through vials fast.

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Dvaldes97's picture

Just do test e. I was nervous about the needle too but it's not bad at all. Plenty of YouTube videos that help too. Good luck

lacie's picture

thanks

RoidsForLife's picture

I think u should forget that Superdrol and Anadrol for first cycle, but mostly Superdrol, it's even worse in the aspect of hepatotoxicity. Just start with Test Enanthate 250-500 mg with maybe Anavar and you'll be fine with that.

lacie's picture

ok thank you

Swolder84's picture

No oral only cycles, it will be very counterproductive my friend.

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lacie's picture

understood

sandman3698's picture

Add my vote for : never do an oral only cycle.

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DavosD's picture

Test base is mandatory bud. You'll get used to the needles real quick.

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press1's picture

You need to get to grips with injecting buddy, no ifs or buts. Going down the route of a first cycle being tablets only is not a good idea, you will lose most of the gains you made when you stop using them and will likely feel very crappy when running tablets on their own. Add in the tablets once you get use to synthetic testosterone and know what you are doing in that area. People will run anywhere between 300mg to 500mg per week Test Enanthate, there is no right or wrong amount there its just what you are comfortable with running. Split the injection into two equal parts and do one on a a Monday and the other on Thursday or that kind of spacing. You may or may not need an A.I depending on how susceptible you are to aromatizing. Research the Newbie forum and learn how to inject, and the needles and ancillaries you will need. You can always befriend a member on here that you like the sound of and learn from them too.

lacie's picture

Should I go for a blend or just Test Eth? And how much should I order on a first time cycle?

press1's picture

Just straight forward Test Enanthate bud, no blends. Blends will just hurt you and don't really accomplish anything extra. All depends on how long the first cycle is going to be and the mg/ml of the vial you are going to buy. So if you are doing 500mg per week and the Dose is 250mg/ml - then that means you are going to get 5 weeks per vial of Test E. So if you are doing 16 weeks worth, then you will need 4 Vials in total and you will have some left over.

lacie's picture

How about the seprarate vials (smaller ones) vs the big one?

Rosschestzip's picture

It doesn’t matter just do the math. 250/mg per ml. Then mgs per week times number of weeks. If 250mg per week x 20 weeks then you would need 20mls or 5000mgs total. If it’s dosed at 250mgs per ml then you’d need 20mls so if that’s 20 x 1ml ampules or 20ml vial it doesn’t matter.

I’m not saying those are recommended amounts or number of weeks, just an example of the math

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lacie's picture

Was thinking of ordering :
Test E - 20 x 1ml x250mg/ml
Test C - 20 x 1ml x250mg/ml
Test P - 20 x 1ml x 100mg/ml

How should I space out the injections? Will this be enough for a while and what is the shelf life on these vials? Thanks for your advice in advance.

Rosschestzip's picture

So they last years and years but how many msgs per week are you planing and I’d pick one and go with that, because if you end up liking test e and your doing 500 mgs per week then that’s only 10 weeks worth.

And just to clarify, what you wrote is 20 ampules one ml each. That means each one is basically one injection. You’re better off just buying regular 10ml vials, very inexpensive. And like 5 vials at a certian dose could be a year of injections.

DO NOT GET 300, 400 or 500mg test, guys buy it to save money but it’s very painful and end up just throwing it away

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lacie's picture

10 weeks is plenty. Yes the Test E and Test C are 20 one ml ampules of 250mg/ml.
I won't get 300-500 thanks.

FartDracula's picture

Do the math to account for what you'll run + a few extra vials if you plan on cruising + several more to account for possible shipping delays.

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smallsmoothballsack's picture

You said regular blood work. What was your test at?

lacie's picture

going to find out soon, since I lost the last two test results smh

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Ok.....

Well don't run a oral only cycle. Just gonna supress your natural hormone production,
make you feel like shit and get no gains.

Test only 300mg/week will be plenty as a first blast. That's what I did and gained a ton of mass.

lacie's picture

Will do thank you

smallsmoothballsack's picture

Are you already on TRT?

lacie's picture

no just thought using gear to get to my next fitness levels could help. Been lifting for 30y on and off but regularly for 9y and everyday for 1y