+ 1 E2 ratio or range?
What do you like to do with your e2? Personally I’m fine with my e2 is running high as long as I don’t get crazy sides. I kind of feel like a ratio of test/e2 is a more ideal way of thinking about what your e2 should be.
Like sure I get a bit more emotional with high levels of e2, but everything else is fine. No crazy anxiety and my dick works fine. I don’t think high e2 is bad when your test is high so keeping it in normal range isn’t even ideal really.
What do you think/do? Do you try and control your e2 with an ancillary to keep it in range or just lower it to a better level? Or do you like to try and maintain a certain ratio of test/e2.
I’ve never run crazy high test levels of test though so maybe once you reach a certain threshold it’s just too much.
Anyway I’d love to hear the communities thoughts on it.
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BysandtrysPersonally would aim for in range levels.
Everyone is different in terms of where their sweet spot would be
Higher end levels wont necessarilly lead to more muscle growth and their are some risks associated with higher E2 even if you're not experiencing side effects per se.
Besides gyno, mood changes there is increased risk for certain cancers and higher E2 can also lead to more a feminine fat distribution to your physique.
More frequent pinning schedule tends to help reduce some aromatization with same test dosage since there are less drastic peaks in serum.
so I am commenting before reading the others input. I had been on a 200mg/ml CYP WITH .5mg/ml anastrozole compounded. that was all via a "standard protocol" from local clinic. I got with a coach that offered PED support, he pulled the AI and we built a cruse protocol. at straight CYP no AI 200mg weekly was 801 test & 12 E2.... previous labs only had with CYP (with AI) & deca labs showed TEST was >1500 & E2 was 29 WITH AI.
During 9. weeks of baseline building coach explained that estrogen is an anabolic hormone also , & we are running our TEST "high" and altering "our reference range" . He explained that our elevated TEST range can be simply altered & referenced 1000-5000 range however our E2 range should stay in the "normal range" . yet both should be in the "upper reference range"
Blood test needed. Nors raise prolactin IF e2 leads the way. 25-52 has been a standard base range of e2 on this site. E2 raises and prolactin can follow and typically the opposite when e2 lowers.
On hand at all times imo is adex for mild conversion, low dosed runs, aromasin for higher converters or bigger runs. Nolvadex in case of emergency blocking needed like order wasnt shipped etc.
Blood testing per your cycles halflife. Be proactive!
Edit...i run aro at 6.25 the first 2 weeks of pct. High estro sends neg feedback loop and stops pct from getting you on track to recovery. And ive run caber at 0.25 if needed but found b6 works if e2 is in control
Is that 6.25 aromasin and .25 caber weekly?
If you get to bloods when pct started and know your values then you can adjust as if needed. Aromasin is suicidal but doesnt overly attack the estrogen. Meaning it pulls it down and the e2/aro are excreted but not in a harsh manner. Adex as example is used precontest because it csn eliminate all estrogen for that dry peeled look. To me 6.25 is cheap insurance. Your body cannot reboot in pct if estrogen is high/out of range due to negative feedback loop.
If on a nor, the estrogen can dictate how prolactin works. In an 'average' person e2 raises followed by prolactin. So typically controlling e2 keeps prolactin in range. We DO NEED prolactin contrary to belief but in a mid range. Its been cited that crashed prolactin will give you ed. I have used .25e3d caber on big tren cycles with success of keeping e2 in check but have also done well with b6 at 300mg daily while keeping e2 in check. With tren i prefer low test to eliminate many issues. Or if on deca/npp bloods and e2 in line.
Caber on a nor run has a unique side effect for some. Seriously splooshy orgasms. Odd but true. Balance is key of life. Bloods and take notes. Be proactive versus reactive. @Pumped
Thank you, for the lessons
Very informative post. About the b6. What form was it p5p? Or Pyridoxine hydrochloride? What's your take on the latter of the two you think it will have the same effect as p5p?
I’m right there with you on the lower dose of test, eliminate the high test estro conversion but we all tell the newcomer focus on such high test on third cycle maybe 500mg third cycle .. then fourth cycle it’s 500mg test 400 Tren and there’s the issue,, are
My sides estro related so I take the adex but wouldn’t prolactin already have jumped up by then?
I feel like letting it run is kind of the thought process now adays. Unless my titties itch or ache or Im crying seeing my kids play sports I let it alone.
Now depending on what I am running I kind of know when those sides will occur and how much Aromasin for myself I need ED. And when I use Aromasin its just to bump it down enough to where my nips don't feel funny and Im yelling at my kids to wup some ass again on the field. Im not trying to hit the "range". On any cycle I am always over the range.
I guess like most like to say. Treat the symptoms not the numbers.
I don’t get how many of you guys get the “crying emo” I mean when I was in county jail I was trt dose coming off my blast and watching the titanic made me kinda cry, it felt nice!
Nowadays when the estrogen is high my psyche tries to overcompensate by not letting anyone know I’m feeling emo, I become super shy and timid , worst feeling.
On some shit from @Jockstrap I don’t believe the average man need caber even on high Tren runs.. prolactin already being an issue sure, trazadone spikes my prolactin and that’s why I’ll use caber ..
I don't get that I was just being funny. I do get the funny nipple feeling though
so I gotta throw in on the nipple talk.... I haven't gotten the super sensitive nips, but I have experienced lacking sensitivity. Like pliers and clamps don't bother'em.....
Wait until you do experience. The word that comes to mind is "excruciating"
That’s what I have heard. Half the reason I stick with what I have experience with, or on a plan with coach.
Masteron propionate worked extremely well for me