+ 1 PIP What's normal? Is it supposed to hurt this much?
Sorry, first post so I'm not sure if this is the correct place.
Anyways, I am on TRT, I started going the UGL route to save money. Great decision.
My first source, I used 10ml vial of 250mg/ml Test Cyp for like $20. Absolutely painless and goes in like butter.
For reasons I will not go into, I was unable to inject for a little over a year. Then I started to get back into it.
Do to various reasons, I switched to a different source, one of the top 10's off this site thinking it must be good since it's top 10 status. Except this time I decided to go with Test E. It's also dosed higher at 300mg/ml in a 20ml vial. Meaning I would have to inject less per syringe so thats a plus.
ANYWAYS, to get on topic;
I am experiencing heavy PIP and Inflammation/Swollenness from this 300mg Test E versus the 250mg Test Cyp I was using. But My question is how much PIP is cause for concern or is this just normal shit and I was blessed with painless injections from the previous Cyp?
I've also asked around (quick reddit searches) and it is said that E causes more PIP than Cyp. I also understand it is dosed slightly higher, it being more concentrated, would lead to more PIP, however, THIS much for a 50mg difference? Also maybe virgin muscle might have something to do with it? Considering I haven't injected in over a year.
THE PAIN:
I inject in Delts. 1st day is fine, 2nd day the pain starts; painful movements, mainly lateral lifting (like deltoid side laterals). The muscle also gets really swollen, like there is a a visible difference between my 2 shoulders. By the time the 2nd injection for the same shoulder comes around (I rotate each delt, injecting E3D), the pain/swoleness/inflammation is gone/low enough for the next pin.
This didn't use to happen with the other source. Is it the Test E, higher concentration, virgin muscle, or is this all normal?
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The extra 50mg shouldn't make that much of a difference IMO. Are you injecting a full cc in the delt? Because depending on the size of your delt, it may just be the muscle group not liking that much foreign substance. I have large shoulders but still, in my later years, cannot so much as inject a half cc without pain that feels like I've been dead-armed by a boxer. I do have tender shoulders from the baseball years but your pain could be 1) age of the muscle, 2) amount of BB/BA in the solution used by the manufacturer (test E 300 solvents (BA/BB) can be as little as 1/10 and as high as 2/20 but these things can be irritants), how fast the hormone is crashing in the muscle, or the carrier oil, ie. some people are sensitive to MCT oil. I would start by investigating the contents of the test E 300 and eliminate some possibilities. Go from there. EDIT- to be clear, I used to hit delts all the time and one day I woke up and they said "no more bro". These things also happen.
Ya my delts are kind of sensitive also, anything over like 1.2 cc and I get that punched in the arm by Mike Tyson feeling. So I don’t do them often because I don’t want it to effect my training
Training?! Man, must be nice. I can’t carry groceries to the car after pushing a cc into my shoulders. Fuck I miss being 25.
e 300 seems to cause me a bit more PIP than C does, but alot of it has to deal with the carrier choice and how often my body is sick of being inflammed + pinning, etc etc. But C goes down easier than E. Not sure if this is another case of bad batches from years ago, but probably E being 20% more product aswell.