posted Thu, 07/18/2024 - 13:07
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Severe muscle ache for days after injections?
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Hey guys I’ve just started my first cycle of Test E and Deca (500 test E per week and 200 Deca).
I’ve been having severe muscle aches the second and third day after injections probably a 8-9/10 on the pain scale sometimes not allowing me to move. I can’t figure out what it could be and can’t find any info anywhere online.
It’s not infection or anything and I’ve tried massage guns to massage it in as well as dosing twice a week instead of once. Nothing seems to help I’m still stuck with the severe aches day two and 3 with them starting to subside by day 4.
The muscles aches are isolated to where I injected.
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Things to consider:
If this is your first cycle, it could be "test flu" or a reaction to the testosterone. While not very likely, it is possible. Test flu typically includes symptoms like headaches and/or body aches as your body adjusts to a higher dose of testosterone. This usually resolves within a week or two.
Dirty gear: Be cautious about where you obtain your product. Many anabolic brands are "home-brew," meaning they are made in non-professional settings with varying levels of sanitation. To compensate for poor sanitation, some brands use higher levels of benzyl alcohol (BA) to kill bacteria. This can cause reactions such as redness and tenderness at the injection site.
Oil rejection: Some people’s bodies may react negatively to certain types of carrier oils. This is rare but possible. If problems persist, consider what type of carrier oil your supplier uses and whether it is of high quality. Some brands use food-grade oils, which are not sterile, and may compensate with higher BA levels to sterilize the oil. This can cause adverse reactions.
If your supplier is from eroids, review the supplier’s feedback and ask questions about the type of carrier oil and any possible solvents or additives like ethyl oleate (EO) or polyethylene glycol (PEG). This can help determine if you might be allergic to something in the product.
I do not know why so many guys have no clue that you need to heat up the oil before you inject it. It needs to be at least luke warm, like take the whole bottle and warm it up in hot water and then warm it up some more once its in the syringe. Then after injection push and rub that spot a little and you will have very little if no pip.
NO NO NO! Never massage or rub the area. It spread the oil around and may go places you dont want it to. NEVER! What you are using probably just dont give you PIP but its not the rubbing thats helping you
Elaborate for me, what’s the place you don’t want it to go? Into the bloodstream or something?
I’m not heaving on the massaging but what I do is leave my thumb over the inject spot to shutdown any leakage.. If there’s any at all..
You can push it into your subq layers from the underside where it may infect. Massaging the injection site may force the steroids from the muscle into the skin layers. Plus i could be wrong but you want it stay in a ball so the release is more on time. Spreading it all around the leg... I dont know. I could be wrong on that. One time i injected in quad massaged it and then it was sore down near my knee for a week. Dont know if the oils got into fat or what but Never massaged after again. Working in medical field we are told this over and over. Even for last 14 yearly flu shots
I don’t doubt you at all my man. I’d definitely want it balled up and concentrated in one area . Thanks for the info
anvilYou don't need to, I have injected your bodyweight in gear and never heated anything up and 0 pip. You don't push and rub it after either, that's an ole wives tale.
Facts
NO, NO, NO
Ive heated and not heated and i couldn't tell the difference. If its going to give me PIP its going to give it to me no matter what i do. But if some guys have the 15min before each shot to warm it, more power to them i dont knock it. But dont do crap for me
Lmao
I stopped reading after first cycle 500 test 200 deca. Such a mistake, especially at 75kg. You’ll end up with zero data on how your body responds to test solo. Even 200mg of deca will increase the rate at which testosterone aromatizes. You’ll make zero gains more than just a test only cycle.
Yep will increase aromatization. Good point man. On top of that recovery will definitely be harder.
Yes sir. All of that for zero added return as far as gains go
Yeah it was a mistype I’m actually only doing 200mg of deca a week, the 500 of test E is correct though.
Understood, I edited my comment to reflect your 200mg nandrolone dosage
-- I see your point
I was recommended these dosages as I’ll be one or two cycles and done so wanted over the top but not silly. I won’t be doing it again after the first cycle or two.
Just fyi the metabolites from deca will shut you down much longer than others. PCT, assuming you have that lined up already, is going to be a bitch. The deca in this cycle is going to contribute relatively nil. Will make your joints feel good though. If you were hell bent on running 700mg of gear first go around, you shoulda just ran test. Coulda just ran test for these two cycles you claim you’re going to ever do in your life and got everything you wanted and an easy/simple PCT afterwards.
Correct. 100
Would I be able to stop taking the deca and up the test dose then? And what’s the point of deca if it doesn’t do anything? I was told it was a good combination?
Deca at that dose is essentially the joint feel good dose. Yea it’ll add some extra anabolism, but not enough to justify using it. If you were gonna blast and cruise, I’d feel different. Though still unhappy with multiple compounds on a first cycle, but I could live with it.
If I were you, I’d personally drop the deca and just blast away with test. If done correctly with diet and training, you can blow the fuck up on your first 1-2 test only cycles. Then it’s a game of diminishing returns after that.
Also split that shit up into multiple doses per week. Not just one big shot once a week. More serum stability = less sides, aromatization, bloat, etc. At least split it out into two shots. Less oil per shot will also drastically reduce that pip on virgin muscles.
Thanks mate I appreciate it, so drop the deca and go to maybe 600-700 a week test?
And can I do a full dose one week then the next week do twice weekly and so on? Or is that a bad idea? Because of my work I’m away for a week and can’t bring it with me on the plane so need to get the whole dose.
Bro, 500mg test only. More is not better. You can only gain so much each cycle. You’re 75kg. There would be zero difference if you ran 500 or 700mg test aside from increased side effects. Even 500mg is debatably too much.
I am only 5’9, but I see. I’ll just stick to 500 then. Appreciate the help.
Can I still do one pin every second week and the opposing week do two pins a week? Or would that just send my body all over the place not knowing what my levels are doing?
Please don’t think I was poking at you because I wasn’t. Height, weight, BF% are good metrics to gauge and compare. For example and perspective, I am 67.5” and over 100kg and can still easily make gains on 500mg test alone. As far as growing lean tissue, higher dosages are best reserved for when you need them. Here is an example of my brothers first cycle at 500mg
https://www.eroids.com/pics/these-are-not-my-pics-500mg-test-3.33iu-gh-c...
I don’t understand your pinning frequency. I always just recommend 2x weekly for a first cycle so as to not overwhelm someone who is just becoming accustomed to self IM injection. It’s a happy medium between what’s comfortable and optimal. I suggest you do this. Divide your totally weekly dosage (500mg) between two injections per week.
Because of my schedule, and flying.
I’m away for a week at a time so need to pin before I go and then when I get home and I’m home for a week I could do half dose twice a week, but before I go away I would need to do a full dose as I have no access while I’m away and cannot bring it.
Would this confuse my body too much? Should I stick to once weekly even on my off week to avoid things being all over the place?
And while you are away, you are able to properly train, rest and eat? Will this schedule change in the future? Tbh does not sound like the optimal conditions to run a cycle in. With that said, I’m sure your mind is made up and if we’ve talked you of the multi-compound first cycle then ledge that’s a win.
It’s hard to wrap my brain around and consider. You wouldn’t be the first one with a once weekly injection frequency. It’s very common on a cruise or TRT in general. As far as what’s better bi-weekly one week and once the other vs once per week. Either one would not be the end of the world, just far from optimal. Some individuals are more sensitive to hormone fluctuations than others. That includes mentally and physically. Just try both I guess. If it was me, I’d pick two one week and one the other.
Yes while I’m away nothing changes, diet and training remains the same.
And thanks I’ll see how I go with it all. Appreciate shedding a lot more light on everything for me.
Lower that dosage and stick to the glutes. 1.5”, be very proper about your sterile process and aspirate, it’s just good practice. Inject slowly, I don’t warm anything anymore, if it gets sore I put a heating pad on it. As @anvil mentioned, it could simply be the brew. If something is heavy with the BA I get a reaction. Best of luck to you buddy.
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Why did you quit warming?
Lol these guys gotta understand bad raws do exist. Could be raws, impurities, solvents etc
Warming is not going to get rid of impurities or bacteria, it would be incredibly bad advice to suggest that. The warming of the oil is to thin the oil, lets it create an easier “pocket” in the muscle tissue and disperse easier. If we’re talking about temperature to sterilize oils, it’s going to affect the medication that’s suspended, that’s what’s the BA/BC is for. Heating oil is for comfort only.
Drexyl you the man. So you're right about BA/ BB, but now high temp less than a hormone's melting point does kill most bacteria. Now yeah some bacteria are heat resistant no doubt. So you're right about those solvents though and heat thinning the oil. Also filtering comes into play but no need for me to get into all that. My man.
Too much BB can often be the culprit too. Hell, on a first cycle it could be anything.