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+ 60 HGH – How much and when to take it….plus some other tidbits

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Seems to be a lot of talk lately about HGH, especially when to take and even how much to take so I figured it was good time to give my perspective on this. First off, let me say that I have been using HGH pretty consistently for probably around the past 5 years or so and have tried many different protocols because there seems to be so many damn protocols out there. All these different protocols are confusing with no justification for them, which just muddies things up and has people wondering if they are doing it right. So I want to clear up some of that mud and give you some sound advice so you can make your own informed decision without being confused or wondering if you are doing it right.

All these different HGH dosing and timing protocols will suit different goals. There is nothing inherently wrong with any of them, but some are better suited towards certain goals than others. With this knowledge in hand, you should be able to choose a specific protocol that fits your goals the best and hopefully gives you some piece of mind that you are doing it the right way since this stuff isn’t cheap and you want to get the best bang for your buck.

Before we get into the nitty gritty of things, I highly recommend that you get your baseline IGF levels checked. This will let you know if HGH is even a worthwhile endeavor for you. For most it likely will be, but better safe than sorry. If you have a decent baseline IGF level what is the point in pinning a small, so called replacement dose for anti-aging purposes, doesn’t make sense logically and fiscally to pin exogenous HGH to replace your natty levels. HGH is not additive to natty levels, Just like pinning test is not additive to your natty test. There is a negative feedback loop here once again. Those of you 30+ years in age and especially 40 and us 50+ years in age will probably find your IGF levels really taking a nose dive. Seems to be after 30+ years old they really take a dive and supplemental HGH is likely a good choice, even just for ant-aging purposes and not necessarily for bodybuilding. You young bucks in your 20’s are probably wasting your money on HGH unless you are pushing the dosages for bodybuilding purposes, which is perfectly fine if using it in that regard.

A couple of other points to keep in mind if you are considering a run of HGH. It is not going to turn you into an IFBB pro, you will not gain a ton of muscle and it will take a long time to burn off any significant amount of fat. This is a long-term endeavor. A 100iu kit is not enough for a run of GH. Lol so don’t waste your money if that was the plan. Get enough to run your highest projected daily dose (yes, I said run it daily) for at least 4 months to really get something positive out of it, and the longer you run it the better it just keeps getting.
Now that all of that is out of the way, on to the good stuff.

How much should I take

Let’s start off with probably the easiest choice you have to make and that is how much you should be taking. Before we get too far into that though, I just want to point out that the best way to start your HGH regime is to start with a low dose and gradual ramp up the dose (if you plan to go above 2iu/d that is). Doing it this way will help you to avoid or at least minimize some of the undesirable side effects that can come with HGH supplementation. I’m sure you have all heard the horror stories of CTS, bloating, joint pain etc. Ramp it up slowly and you can avoid or minimize most of that.

Let me break the recommended dosages down pretty easy for you.

Anti-aging (2-3iu)

So, to start off most people can handle 2 IU’s per day without any issues and this just happens to be about a full replacement dose for most middle-aged folks for general wellbeing, anti-aging, and healing etc. So just start there, no need to ramp up to that. 3iu is on the upper end of that anti-aging scale and I would ramp up to that if that is where you want to go. Start at 2 iu for a few weeks then go jup 0.5iu every couple of weeks or so and you shouldn’t have any issues and then cruise on your 3iu/d.

Are you going to notice anything earth shattering on 2iu/d? Nope, at least I really didn’t. Might sleep a little better and your beard, nose, ear and back hair grows faster but don’t expect to lose 10lbs of fat or gain 10lbs of muscle. 3iu should start to get you a little more fat loss. 3iu is where I cruise off cycle and the effects I see between 2 vs 3iu are night and day. Recovery after workouts is much better and additional fat loss is definitely noticeable. If 2iu works for you, then just stick with that. This is supposed to be your plan.

Bodybuilding (4-8iu)

Now we get into the fun doses of HGH. (Again, ramp up to these dosages and plan ahead because it can take quite a while to get there) This dosage range will give you accelerated and substantial fat loss, maximum recouperation from your workouts and actually start to build some lean mass due to hyperplasia and that is the name of the game when it comes to bodybuilding and also for those weird powerlifters Lol For the average gym rat I don’t recommend going above 8iu. Dosages higher than that will require other ancillaries to make the most efficient use of it which is beyond the scope of what I want to cover here. 4iu is great, 6 is better and you can imagine what 8iu does. I have ran all these dosages and the steps up in dosage do correlate with greater results, the key is how much can you handle (or afford). I can’t push it above 6iu/d nowadays. I turn into a complete zombie and just want to sleep all day so I have to cap at 6iu now. Even at 6iu the fat melts off me and it is impossible to get sore (DOMS) from my workouts no matter how brutal they are. Recovery is phenomenal. 4iu recovery is still pretty damn good and fat loss is still quite noticeable so that 4-6iu is the optimum range for me. Up to you to find your sweet spot now. At least you know a solid range to shoot for when using for bodybuilding purposes. All I can say is the higher the better if you can handle it but even at 4iu you definitely will reap the rewards.

When getting up into the bodybuilding dosage range, I highly recommend that you start splitting the dosages into multiple times/day. This will help to alleviate a lot of the potential side effects. Still makes me sleepy above 6iu/d, but the joint pain/swelling, CTS and water retention are much less. This is a good lead into timing of your HGH.

When to take your HGH

There are several optimal times when to take your HGH which I will spell out here and a lot of it just depends on your specific goal and/or age, so take your HGH when it seems most advantageous to you. To lay it out plain and simple there are basically 3 optimum times I see when it is most advantageous to take your HGH. These are:

  1. First thing in the morning (particularly while fasted)
  2. Preworkout
  3. Bedtime

Morning shot

This is one of the most common times you hear people recommend taking HGH and there are good reasons for taking it in the morning. There are a couple of times during the day that cortisol spikes in the body, one of these times is early morning. Hopefully you all know that high levels of cortisol are very catabolic, i.e. bad. Hitting a shot of HGH right away in the morning will help blunt the catabolic effects of cortisol and shift you into a more anabolic state. Catabolic bad, anabolism good Lol

Now time that morning shot while you are in a fasted state and you can also accelerate the fat burning properties of HGH. This is due to the fact that HGH releases glucose and fatty acids to circulation, (it basically takes your stored fat and releases it into the bloodstream for energy use). Stay away from carbs for an hour so after taking it to maximize fat burning. Once you introduce carbs your body will start burning those for fuel and blunt the lipolysis from the HGH. Shot of HGH first thing in the morning, then some fasted cardio to really burn off those free fatty acids in the bloodstream and you now have the golden ticket for fat loss. Now, keep the fat burning train rolling by eating the perfect breakfast after your cardio which I have laid out here:
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/diet/the-perfect-breakfast

So, morning is just overall a fantastic time for HGH. You get the double whammy of blunting cortisol and accelerated fat burning.

Preworkout

Preworkout is a good time for a shot of HGH. (Assuming you workout late afternoon/early evening is where you get the best bang for buck with a shot of it). Once again cortisol is spiking around this time and a shot of GH will blunt that nasty cortisol. It will also help mobilize fatty acids once again and provide more energy for your workouts and enhanced fat burning just like when you took it in the morning. It will also be peaking around your post workout meal and help provide some nutrient shuttling to promote anabolism. So, as you can see, prewo is another perfect time to take it.

Bedtime

This is probably a good time for those of you using it for anti-aging purposes with tanked IGF levels.
If sleep is a big issue for you then you may want to try hitting your HGH at bedtime to simulate when your body would have naturally had its highest pulse. One of the big positives many rave about is the improved sleep it provides. If you already sleep like a baby, then stick to morning or prewo.

Splitting up doses

So, what about splitting up doses? Glad you asked. I highly recommend splitting your dose of HGH when you get above 3iu. Main reason is that this really helps to alleviate those nasty side effects I mentioned earlier like CTS and water retention. The other reason is that you can really optimize its effects by pinning at a couple of those different times I mentioned and reap all those benefits multiple times a day. Why would you pass that up Lol

There you have it. Hopefully now you can make a more informed decision on how to set up your run of HGH for optimal results and some of the muddy water has been cleared up.

RobertB80's picture

Have always pinned subq into stomach. Will try IM from now on. Many thanks for the detailed post.

DeeMan's picture

Very interesting points. Great break down. You and I will be talking about a few things. Love the fact that you're emphasizing results varying depending on how lean one is. We are not all the same so I get it.

- K A P S I Z E -'s picture

I mean.. everything (AAS & HGH) works “better” when one is lean. As in, one sees results more easily. And the visual effects the PEDs have on the body are more pronounced. One can really see what the drugs can do when you’re lean. (single digit BF%)

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DeeMan's picture

Well you and I have talked about the one shoe size approach not being totally accurate for everyone. Yes us humans are the same but a little different lol

- K A P S I Z E -'s picture

If I could go back to the beginning, I’d tell myself to get shredded lean first and learn how to get lean with diet and cardio alone before trying anything PED related. Never been high BF% but even starting enhancement at say 15% BF isn’t as optimal as single digit. Simply starting PEDs lean would cure up so many side effects for people they wouldn’t otherwise have. IMO

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DeeMan's picture

For sure. Starting with a lean foundation should be a prerequisite before even using gear period. Too many times I've seen guys attempt to lose weight using gear. It's mind boggling but hey some folks want the easy way out or they want results asap. Not how it works unfortunately. We're definitely on the same page with our thinking

DavosD's picture

What does your bloodwork say?

RobertB80's picture

I haven’t had bloods done. I’m 43 years old running 5iU for the past few months.

Cbattle2111's picture

Your muscles will fill out in a nice way. Definitely will be leaner, but as far as being stronger it didn't do much. Always kept it at a mediocre 3iu and the highest was 6iu. Stuff will have you taking naps if it's legitimate so be ready. Quality is a big one here and that's what you want. Otherwise your going to waste a lot of money. Good information here for others. I never tried the pre workout time so I might give that a whirl. Thanks for your feedback and experience brother.

MTL23's picture

Do you have a recommended source?

ForeverFitBod1's picture

Stamina pump recovery yes. Strength gains from GH. I have not experienced that

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Cbattle2111's picture

Ahh yes big difference in pump and vascularity. I didn't pay much attention to stamina but I wouldn't doubt it. Recovery was better as well. Especially concerning minor flair ups that normally would take a few weeks would be good to go in a week tops.

Black90tsi's picture

How aptly timed for me.

DavosD's picture

What I never understood is, does palumboism come from HGH or a combination of HGH with the other substance that we don't talk about and is very dangerous?

Makwa's picture

That other substance is the primary cause of bubble gut. The dosages of HGH one would have to take in the first place are crazy stupid high and for a long time, like for years. No need to worry about bubble gut with any of the dosages I have listed here.

DavosD's picture

Thanks for the write up. I might add HGH in the future so this is good info!

Also do you agree that Pharma HGH is stronger that UG HGH? I've read very often that 2iu legit Pharma blows 4-6iu out of the water.

DeeMan's picture

that's how things use to be for sure. I think that's less common now. But yeah nothing beats pharma.

Makwa's picture

Some of the generics available to us now are just as good as pharma. 10yrs ago with the shit GH that was floating around back then that might have been the case, but not now.

MTL23's picture

Do you have a recommended source?

Big Tone36's picture

Good writting here. Thanks for taking the time to break this down perfectly. You and I always saw eye to eye in regards to this subject

Makwa's picture

Need to get an IGF guide for dummies up next.

- K A P S I Z E -'s picture

Agreed. Even I would like to see a comprehensive IGF-1 post. And would love to contribute my own experiences on it.

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Big Tone36's picture

Hyperplasia vs. hypertrophy

Makwa's picture

quit using those big words Lol

mikeyt4e's picture

Yeah i just started 6 iu and the fat is rolling off.. ? For u guys i, if i workout around 10ish am (fasted, with cardio and weight training), n i wake up at 5-6am… would u do 2 immediately at wake up (5-6am) and then another right before my workout (945am) and then the last before bed ..or just 2 before workout 2 mid day and 2 before bed

Makwa's picture

Both of your options are viable there. Try them both and see what you like. I would be comfortable doing either one of those protocols.

mikeyt4e's picture

Awesome kk
Thanks man … awesome article

Rosschestzip's picture

When doing it preworkout, how long before working out do you take it?

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Makwa's picture

It is probably a half hour give or take from the time I pin to when I start working out. It is not something you have to take to the gym and pin immediately before you workout. Just take a shot at home before you leave for the gym and you will be fine. For a general guideline I would recommend within an hour of your workout.

Rosschestzip's picture

Ya that’s basically what I do, take a shot, get my shakes together and head to the gym. Probably about 45 mins

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DeeMan's picture

So you don't feel tired taking it preworkout? Some report that, that's why I ask.

Rosschestzip's picture

No I know that can be a reported side effect but I’ve never felt that. No matter when I’ve taken it, I’ve never felt any tiredness or anything. Maybe if I was doing larger doses but idk

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DeeMan's picture

Yea most likely to occur with larger dosing. So you're going along the lines of natural biological GH release after workout. Ok sounds good.

Rosschestzip's picture

I’m doing 3 or 4 ius a day which I guess is a little more then natural but not much more, I don’t think. Also obviously it varies person to person, like in the beginning I got horrible hand issues, like I thought I was gunna have carpel tunnel for life

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DeeMan's picture

Ya that goes away for some folks and for some it doesn't. I think you should be good though.

Rosschestzip's picture

Ya it just went away one day. And I haven’t switched sources since just in case it’s because of the brand

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Mac12769's picture

Making it simple as always. New russian
Been doing bedtime or split, depending on what’s going on that day.

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Drexyl's picture

Thanks again Makwa, this is gold.

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Rosschestzip's picture

For me, I get the hand swelling and carpel tunnel issues much more if I take my Hgh at bedtime but this is only over 3-4 ius, lower then that and I don’t get those sides no matter what time I take it. So if I do 2 in the morning and 2 at night I’ll wake up the next day with swollen hands. But I’d I do 2 in the morning and 2 preworkout, my hands are fine the next day. Don’t ask me why, I just noticed that’s what happens for me.

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Makwa's picture

I think that moving around during the day helps to alleviate the CTS. If it gets bad at night I have to get up and move around and then it goes away. Until I lay back down anyway Lol

JakeKO's picture

Great advice as usual. I’m about to jump back on so this was very informative. Thanks, Bro!

press1's picture

Great Article buddy - Simple to follow and to the point.

A Weird Powerlifter Lmfao

Makwa's picture

Powerlifters can use HGH too ROFL

BFG's picture

Another one for the article section, thank you for writing that up!

Squatch710's picture

Would splitting the anti-aging dose be ill-advised like 1.5iu am and 1.5iu pm to try and get some help with sleep and fat burning or is the base amount for a single dose 2iu at once

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Makwa's picture

Splitting an anti-aging dose would be fine. I mainly split dose to help alleviate side effects from higher dosing but the body naturally produces it in pulses so you can kind of mimic that by splitting up any dosage you take. Try it and see if you notice a difference.

Squatch710's picture

Thanks this has been very helpful can't wait for my gh to land

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Makwa's picture

I would stick with whatever protocol you use for at least a month or so to really get a good feel for it.

Squatch710's picture

I was going to do 1.5 am pre fasted cardio and 1.5 3 hours after dinner before bed and probably stay there

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Makwa's picture

Take a shot right before bed. It should be peaking about the time that your natty pulse of it would be peaking then. Try not to eat any carbs right before bed either.