Confused about muscle building on dianabol due to his short ester.
Hello,
Today, I'm using 40mg of Dianabol before my workout to kickstart my cycle. However, I'm not certain about how to eat to maximize muscle gains. Here's my concern: I'm currently consuming 4000 calories a day (within approximately 16 hours), but Dianabol has a 4-hour duration of action. So, does the "high protein synthesis" last for about 4 hours? In theory, it seems that I'm only benefiting from the anabolic effect when I'm in the gym, on an empty stomach, and that's not ideal.
I've also been wondering if the combination of the workout and Dianabol significantly increases protein synthesis, and if this elevated protein synthesis persists until the muscles have absorbed the necessary proteins. And then would it make no difference what I eat during the 16-hour timeframe, as digestion typically takes around 24 hours when using a substance with a 4-hour half-life?
I hope I've made myself clear. I'm not a native English speaker, so please let me know if you need further explanations.
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Dianabol is nitrogen retention. If that post below is your current cycle then its massive. Looks too long too on deca. Hope youre skilled and on trt.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Are we talking about this one?
Yeah it's my current cycle. But I doesn't like the idea of running EQ/Mast because of prostate enlargement, next cycle will be 440 Tren, 750 deca, 250 test and that's it.
You are running 5 compounds as a second cycle? And you are worried about missing the protein synthesis window on some Dianabol??
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Yeah I'm worrying because i'm not feeling the injections now.
Lol This is a wind up isn't it
I think so
Hi bro,
Whit dianabol thaï 5mg i UP maximum to 45mg every days. (Or naposim from Romania)
I use 3 tabs morning, 3 tabs post training and 3 tabs before sleep.
Whit dianabol 50mg by tabs (différents labs), i use this before training.
(For me) the best IS not 50mg by tabs in one dosing, divised IS the best.
Good Luck bro
You need to be splitting that dose and taking multiple times/day due to the short half life. Dbol doesn't have a huge effect on protein synthesis/.nutrient partitioning so you are overthinking that part. You making thins more complicated than need be and stressing over nothing. You need to think more about the glycogen retention it provides. Just take a small dose with every meal and you will be good. I sure hope you are running it alongside some testosterone or you will end up in worse shape then when you started.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435I heard that Tren was the trinity for protein synthesis/nutrient partitioning. Unfortunately I didn't included it in my cycle, i'm running a low dose cycle ( my second one ) that will probably won't have much effects on my bulk.
The cycle is the following :
- Deca 500 ( 0-20wk )
- Test E 500 ( 0-20wk )
- Mast E 400 ( 0-15wk )
- EQ 250 ( 0-20wk )
- Dbol 40 Pre-Workout ( Will drop it soon, when I feel the others injectables. I'm currently at day 9 in blast. )
that's a low dose cycle
If your taking all that and eating 4000 calories you should certainly grow as long as your workouts are breaking down the muscles.
I'd up the calories after a while instead of thinking more hormones.
So this is a low dose cycle you said? This is a full cycle to me. Almost 2 grams of total gear. Not huge but not small. If you were referring to this cycle then it should have an effect on you.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435My next will be this one ( More stronger, and really better for bulk apparently. )
---> The blast will last 20 weeks, and all the doses will remain the same from the beginning to the end.
33mg of Tren-A everyday (231mg a week)
100mg of Tren-E twice a week
375mg of Nand Deca twice a week
125mg of Test-E Twice a week
Total Tren : 431mg/weeks
Total : Nand Deca : 750mg/weeks
Total Test-E : 250mg/weeks
You know what happens when you burn the candle from both ends
Wow. Lol can't help ya with all that tren but man the cycle I commented on above isn't one that you think you could grown from?
With this cycle with both 750mg deca and tren you'll definitely have prolactin issues I'm sure.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Sorry I don't see what cycle you are talking about?
Yeah I may have prolactin issues, I keep my P5P/Vit-E on hand and if it doesn't work I have my caber.
The first cycle that you posted above my man. The " low dosed" cycle. You posted two different cycles.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435To be honest, as a second cycle I was expecting at least 15-20lbs of lean mass from that cycle under 20 weeks. But now i'm still wondering if gaining this much lean mass will be possible, but i'm almost certain that it's possible on tren.
I doesn't want any strength, endurance, or cosmetic steroid, I want to get mass, mass and more mass, just want to be big, grow muscles, and cut all my fat in cruise.
I've heard that Mast was more cosmetic, EQ more for endurance, and the only one in that current cycle that really build muscle will be nandrolone I think, but not as much as I would like. I want fast gains.
Fast gains huh? I hear that alot. But as the the saying goes...easy come, easy go!
And in my opinion and from what I see tren isn't the " mass builder" some think it is. Yes on paper it looks good for sure. Now I haven't used it just for transparency but to me it's not the ultimate steroid. A buddy tells me he can't gain much on Tren. Others have experienced gains but not the mass they expected. And some love it. Just giving facts.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435When you say "easy come, easy go" it's more a cosmetic, that I really doesn't want. What is for you the best steroid to put on lean mass, if there is anything better than tren (without having to use harsh steroids, such as mTren, Ment, etc..)
Testosterone and food. You seem to be over relying on drugs. Drugs don't make up for a shitty diet or lifting routine. Body is built in the kitchen.
I trust you are taking this on top of a Testosterone injectable of some form are you?
LeMadalaMamaPrec435I couldn't imagine anyone running a suppressive compound with a test base.
I think you are overthinking this brother. A lot.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Nah, I like educate myself about things that I'm using, not you?
Lol. I feel ya
KISS
I caught that shit and slapped myself with it big homie.
Im not sure how much you weigh but if your eating 4000 calories and taking 40mg of Dbol then your pretty much good my guy. The microscopic difference youll get from fucking with your eating habits is so minute its not even wirth it IMO... But hey maybe someone else knows a trick or 2
If you can't grow off of 4000cals, dbol or not, something isn't right.
That part
It doesn't have a 4 hour duration but a 4 hour half life. There's a difference. After 4 hours it has half the original amount but that half amount is still active. Just not peaked and not as much of the substance in blood.
Also dbol doesn't have an ester. It's a free hormone that's active. Remember it's also toxic like other orals too. Most don't need 40mg.
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Does protein synthesis decrease after Dianabol has left your bloodstream, or does the elevated protein synthesis induced by Dianabol and triggered by working out the muscles persist until the muscles has been fully supplied?
I’m not sure anyone is going to be able to quantify the duration of protein synthesis. Just trust that it’s working. Make sure to eat a solid meal about 60-90 minutes post workout.
I would agree.
Search half-life. How often are you taking your dbol?
LeMadalaMamaPrec435One-time 40mg 1h-2h before my workout. once a day, even on rest days.
Getting some nice pumps I bet!, It's quality stuff? Perfect timing before lifting btw
+1
LeMadalaMamaPrec435Yes I do ! I can barely move my core, and forearms are close to explode, they're hard and full of veins, the pump is amazing. I have almost no sides, only neck/back pain due to pumps, and moonface.
DamikeWhen I took dianabol I would take 3 smaller doses a day. For example 10 mg at breakfast, lunch and dinner. Keeping blood levels consistant with the chemical is what leads to the most gains IMO.
I also believe its easier on the liver to not hit it with a large dose all at once to try and process.
It's like if you had to fight 3 guys. Would you rather fight them all at once or fight one every 6 hours.
that is the proper way to take it for maximum anabolism.
DamikeExactly
To each their own but I have to agree with @Pumped in this matter. Gains can be made either way. Some folks I know don't see as good of results as taking it all at once. Again to each their own. Gotta do what works best for your body, not anyone else's. At the end of the day there isn't a one a day vs multiple times study lol. Everything on paper doesn't necessarily translate into real world
For the fact it's easier on the liver I like that approach
He's taking it every day which is also a wise choice
LeMadalaMamaPrec435For my liver I take every single days 2600mg of NAC and 600mg of Tudca. I'm definitely good in continuing in that way.
Unless you're like me and always forget that second dose screwing up the whole cycle so it was easier just take the whole dose in the morning with my vitamin and breakfast. They actually did studies and there was no real difference in gains between the split doses and single doses. Yes you get a more even blood level but gains wise it doesnt make a difference.
I think i heard about that study
Well when i kept forgetting that second dose i search barred my ass off on actual findings before i actually switched to one dose and my life was less stressful of trying ways to remember that dose.
that bro science!