posted Mon, 07/10/2023 - 10:26
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First cycle assistance
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I just started taking cyp. Started at low dose of 100mg a week for 4 weeks to get an idea of feel. For the last 4 weeks i have upped it to 180mg a week (just under .5 ml per pin, twice a week). I am seeing good gains and mass. Thinking about upping to 220 mg a week. Is this too much if I’m already seeing results (just want to get a little bigger and shredded not trying to compete)? How many weeks should I run there if I go up? Is there any kind of post cycle stuff I should take as I cycle down? Thanks!
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I would definitely take the advice provided by Makwa and Diesel. These guys know their stuff very well and will offer you proper advice. I'm on TRT and I only take 160mg of Test C a week, so I have to agree with Makwa that if your original goal was size, you did waste a good portion of some good test (hopefully is good Test). At the same time, not all is lost. With the low dosage, you go to see how your body reacted to exo test, and perhaps learned how it affected your mood, skin, etc. so not all was lost. And, that some good information to have especially when you're thinking of increasing your dosage. Best of luck man!....Oh yeah, definitely get some PCT. I do Arimidex and for me 0.5 the day after I pin has been working great. You're going to be on a higher dosage of Test so it may vary for you.
Unless you are on TRT you basically wasted those first 4 weeks. More or less just replacing your natty pulse of test with exogenous test. Shutting yourself down and prolonging cycle for little in return. All risk and no reward. You have no PCT meds, do you have an AI?
Not yet, did not know if I needed them or what to use if I did. My goal was not to run a "cycle" and see big changes. I want a little more size but more so a way to cheat and maintain what I have without having to workout so hard. I have been lifting for over 20 years and it's getting harder to keep up 4-5x wk in the gym. I did some research and read that minimal supplemental test can help with this without typical side effects of a moderate to heavy cycle (prob wrong but sounded logical). I am NOT on TRT, my test was high for my age (6.1 ng/ml) so could not get rx. I admittedly don't know what I'm doing (why i got on here) but i am getting the response I was hoping for so far. After reading posts from experienced people like you, I'm realizing it may not be as simple as I thought to just take a little test for a few weeks and then taper off. Do you recommend AI? Do I need clomid and nolva or could i get by with just nolva? Read a lot about hcg but doesn't sound right for what i'm doing...agree? I've read a lot on the PCT forums so have a idea of dose and duration for things like nolva just wasn't sure if I would need it or not. Thanks in advance your thoughts
Taking a little bit of test is just as dangerous to your HPTA as taking a lot of exogenous test. A little bit of test shuts you down the same as a lot of test does. Once your body recognizes exogenous test being injected it shuts down its natty production regardless of how much you are pinning. So pinning just a little bit of test is not any safer in that regard. Again all risk and no reward. AAS are not safe at any level especially when you don't know what you are doing.
Better get some aromasin ASAP, before your nipples feel like they are on fire and your life becomes miserable. You surely don't want gyno to set in. Nolva and clomid are pretty mandatory for PCT., HCG not so much. Ton of stuff on here about proper PCT and AI usage. Those should have been in hand before even starting cycle. I would recommend some bloodwork ASAP also.
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really appreciate this and did not know any amount of extra test will shut down production. I have low BF so did not think estro would be a big issue with such a small dose but glad i'm here asking questions and getting answers. For bloods, do i get some now and again post PCT and compare? Are there forums that educate about what they mean?
the main thing now would be to check test and estro levels. Normally bloods are pulled week 5-6 which is usually a week or so after AI has started to help dial in AI dose. You kind of put the cart before the horse so there is alot of guessing going on right now so bloodwork will let you know where everything currently stands. Who really knows where your estro is at right now. May not be an issue or could be an emergency. Titrating up your test dose is also going to complicate estro management even further. Best to stick with one dose unless you want to get multiple bloodwork done throughout cycle after each titration. Not an ideal situation.
Then you will also want to pull bloods about 4-5 weeks after you finish your PCT to see if you have recovered. Main things to be looking for then are test levels, FSH/LH and whatever health markers you may be interested in.
Aromasin, nolva and clomid will be here next week. Have not done bloods yet but have appt next week after seeing your comments. Question: does the amount of test affect how much Aromasin i should take? I haven't been able to find info on this but <200mg is low compared to what I've seen in a lot of threads. Do I still need to take 25mg a day every day until I finish this cyp? Could I do 12.5 ED or EOD? Should i wait to start taking until I have bloods done? It's expensive so trying to make it last. I plan on going another 8 weeks then will do PCT. Thanks in advance if you answer.
200mg/wk I would probably wait and see where your bloodwork shows your estro. That is a tricky amount of test and should have you floating around the high end of the estro range but I would wait and see where bloodwork shows it at. I would think that with that dose you shouldn't need more than 12.5mg EOD or even E3D.
Update: bloods show I'm at 38 estro with top of normal range being 42. Test is just over 1400 so seems like I'm not converting estro at a high rate. If this was your data, would you start taking AI now or wait until PCT? I plan on going another 4 weeks then stopping, waiting 7 days and starting PCT.
I figured you would be around the high end of the estro range on that dose of test. Probably shouldn't need an ai but if you feel itchy nips than I would go on some low dose aromasin. You shouldn't be taking any AI during PCT. 7 days after last shot is still to early to start PCT. With 200mg of test I would wait to at least 10 days after with 14 probably being the safer bet. No point starting PCT while you still have elevated test levels.
Thank you for your input, very helpful. If I could trouble you with another question - what is your experience with Deca? As i've aged, my elbows knees and lower back are sore frequently and I've read Deca can help lubricate joints. Would a low does help with this?...like 100 mgs/wk combined with test? I'm getting great results with what I'm doing but don't want to overcomplicate things introducing another AAS that requires complex PCT ....but having something help with the achy elbows and knees would be great.
Post cycle, you will absolutely need ancillaries such as Nolvadex, Clomid, HCG IF you wish to return to recover/producing test naturally. You really should already have PCT (post cycle therapy) meds that I listed prior to starting your cycle. It's best to have everything on hand so that all your bases are covered. Nothing worse than being done with cycle and scrambling to obtain PCT meds. IF you are on TRT then that's an entirely different scenario....if you just come off test cold turkey, be prepared for a "crash" that will not be fun to deal with. I suggest looking through the PCT forums on this site and reading through the various discussions in order to educate yourself with PCT protocols, meds etc. Good luck
MoonlightIt's important to be mindful of your body's response to the cypionate. If you're seeing good gains and mass, then it's likely that you can increase your dose to 220mg a week. However, it's important to monitor your progress and adjust your dose accordingly. As for post cycle stuff, it's important to take a break from the cypionate after a few weeks and allow your body to recover. During this time, you can take supplements such as whey
appreciate the input!
Personally I would up the dose to at least 350mg a week. My first cycle was the classic 500mg and it was excellent. That's what I would recommend.
And I would run for 20 weeks total from first pin to last. It's longer than some would say but my thought is that if you're going to go through all the trouble of shutting down and needing to PCT, then might as well make it worth it. I know most would agree at least 16 weeks total duration to be the sweet spot
The longer you are shut down the more difficult the road to recovery can be. I wouldn't go past 12 wks first cycle
Thanks for the input!