posted Sun, 04/30/2023 - 13:33
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+ 1 Testosterone enanthate or cypionate your opinions
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Testosterone enanthate or cypionate which ester do you prefer, what are your experiences?
Cypionate is said to draw more water, is there more retention?
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Test E just treats me better, simple as that
At the end of the day, test is test … you just gotta stick with the one that feels more stable for you. That’s the real game
RustyhookerFor the parrots
https://www.eroids.com/forums/steroids-qa/anabolic-steroids/test-is-not-...
Doing bloodwork as everyone should, and finding out your test/e2 etc levels is a must. A test level of 3000ng will yield the same results regardless if someone used test prop test e, test unicorn or whatever other fancy ester they come up with.
The main takeaway is, get your bloodwork done see where your levels are at. Enjoy the gains. Don't overcomplicate shit.
I prefer Enanthate personally. Have tried both and can tell the difference. I feel better overall with an even mood, gym sessions are more aggressive with Enanthate and I have less PIP. Could be placebo but that PIP difference is quantifiable.
Nahh no placebo. Your body knows what it likes.
I read a lot in med articles (if they touch on it) that at the end of the day the body is left with testosterone regardless of the ester and that it makes no difference, but it's my opinion that body chemistry plays a role in how we reacts to compounds. It's apples and oranges but some people can put on a watch and drain the damn battery every 2 weeks. My wife being among them and I've known others who either speed up or slow down there watch and have to reset it constantly. The human body is a wonder of anomalies.
Lol pay no attention to LIL TROLLS. They'll say it's all in your head, that it's a placebo affect. Lol they are a joke. Bottom line is the human body can and will process testosterone differently such as converting e2 etc.
that's so true about last sentence. Yep I agree testosterone is testosterone but our body chemistry plays a huge factor. For example, some like myself don't convert much test into e2 and others do and this could be at the same exact amounts of testosterone in our blood. That's just body chemistry. A strange thing I've noticed over and over regardless of brands is I feel slightly irritable on test C and I feel good on test E. Hell my appetite is even better on test C than it is on E. It's strange man. I've given up on trying to figure it out.
I find it untenable personally, that we study the brain and it's function almost in a vacuum of how it should be. The brain and our behavior is linked uncompromisingly with pheromones. To limit research and to stymie doctors from understanding our full potential is detriment to the human condition.
That being said I'm high five but without the five.
Rustyhookerof the day the body is left with testosterone regardless
Now base that on ester and half life for proper use. Cyp enth is apples to fuji apples.
Facts
I don't disagree with that at all. The body will do what it will with the test after the ester is stripped but it's the in between that can be anomalous. Reaction is key. With thermodynamics as with the laws of motion the end result never diverges from the mode it took to get there.
RustyhookerYou lost the idea in your own statement. That ester is the dictator. You cant suggest enth and prop for example as being the same. By weight alone, total hormone or timing. Thats the point i eas asking you to elaborate on.
This cyp enth debate has been complete bullshit for decades. Why? First debate is folks here mainly cite ugl because the average dude here has never cycled real pharma. Some have trt but thats not cycles...with an S. Ugl wasnt even considered when us old relics started. Pharma was abundant and dirt cheap. Next...the two are nearly identical and folks get titty twisted because their ugl source is golden. Truth is the ugl is buying either cyp or enth and a stickers a sticker. Theyre still dealers and unless a real lab tested it...not janos the great faker...a real lab, noone can tell the difference from 250 cyp...250 enth. The brewer will know as enth is held easily at high mg concentrations. But wait....cyp 250 has pip?! So does poor brewing calculations and more often the user poking nerve etc. The real based fact is cyp has been the standard in USA and enth has been europes. Water retention, 'feel', holy smoke...blah. We got folks on here abuse ai and wont run bloods. E2 alone changes all those touchy feelies. And lets not get started on the sources fyre hot flame gear that is sworn nectar from virgin poon...when bloods get tested only to see low results. But it felt so real! Followed quickly by fanboys and over 5000 forums covering all this repeat info from another lazy OP.
Use all the thermodynamical tailspin off the centrifugal efforts of the primevil load of doggie doo. Prove it with esters cited by medical citations and follow it with bloods. Then lets dig up old Dr Scalley with his proof medically that 500mg of real pharma makes near 5000 on tests...or a 10x shift. Then ponder those ugls with 1700...cough...
Anyways im off to throw some law of motion on my favorite palm. Lol! Have a great night sir
Dude! Half of your read up (I genuinely tried) is non legible, I don't know what your trying to say rusty! I'll agree that I wrote my last statement high but your all over the ding dong place. Can you please make yourself plain? I can base agree to disagree otherwise. I think we're still buds.
(side note) Some of your read outs are hard to decipher, do you only respond on a mobile device?
Final note: I love you buddy! You are an asset to this forum and I don't ever not want to hear from you.
I would like to point out to you that I have never ever eluded to a SRC as being FYRe Fire or what have you and I don't accuse you of accusing me of such, as far as that sense makes. I will say that sometimes you are symptomatic of accusing others as a crotchety man goes and you have turned thee dial all the way up an ripped the knob off. Finally I wish you were one of my papaw's. I would love to learn from you.
Usually when a troll has knowledge he looks at least half way decent. If he doesn't ya might as well ignore. The hell with all their yapping, that's the ultimate way you'll know who really is the real deal. That's how you know for sure. Anyways take care.
RustyhookerBasically the parraots on this forums so full of crap and not even the newbs can read apparently.
Cyp vs enth and feeling a difference is crap. No difference in comparing test prop vs test ace. Ive run both.
I was trying to push folks into outside the box thinking or folks that reall run cycles to put up proof of these differences. Med cited? Folks claim to be in the biz...cough...bullshit.
Outside the box my bro....real talk. Not some ugl jargon because facts....noone could tell cyp250 vs enth 250 at all ever other than the sticker.
I am definitely a newb.
Lol. Let me just be clear. I've ran pharmaceutical TEST E and pharmaceutical TEST C and I stand by what I said about my body reacting differently. Folks that claim they can tell a difference, I believe them...point blank period! I'm just being clear for everyone cause I know some members probably are confused. And if someone can't tell a difference then so be it but we can't discredit those that say something different. This is a general statement. Not directed at you.
The majority of people wouldn't be able to pick one or the other in a blind test.
I prefer enanthate just cos the higher dosed test. Cyp being 200mg /250mg where as enanthate is like 250mg/400mg.
It can go either way. I only ever used E so that's what I stick with. Trial and error, everyone reacts differently.
Damn you never tried C? You should try it once. And you're right we react differently. I noticed alot of guys like the one size fits all approach smh
Nope lol E was the first thing I tried and it works well. I don't see the need to try C.
Lol if you don't see a need then you don't see a need.
Lol yeah I've considered it but eh
I feel ya. We all have our preferences. Can't go wrong with E.
O ok. First time I've heard that as most have used both. Yea E was my first test, less irritable for me. But hey if it aint broke don't fix it
Definitely, now I've done ace and prop. I just like how E can be concentrated higher and C crashing easier. I'm no chemist but just read anecdotally from others.
True. Good point. Less oil injects. Man I remember at one point a few years ago Enanthate was giving some folks ALOT of pip.There was something to that but I don't remember the story.
A couple years ago I got some mean PIP from a vial of E. I wont say the source, my buddy swears by them but I believe it was the carrier oil that did it.
Alot of factors for pip. I remember getting some test e from a top src but everyone complained of pip and swelling. Come to find out it was brewed sloppy as hell.
Might of been carrier oil in your case. Carrier oils can give pip. I'm just glad that pippy test E era is over. Might of had something to do with China manufacturing process, I can't remember
I never put much thought into it lol. I just got a different vial of E from a different source and the PIP was reduced significantly.
My doctor gives cyp
Your doctor gives syrup? What?
He gives me unlimited test cyp. But always has to check my temperature. Win win i guess
O ok I gotcha. You probably don't notice any difference. However nothing really beat pharmaceutical
AlbanosCypionat IS more in TRT
RustyhookerIn america. Europe uses enth. Next....
Europe sustanon too ;)
It would be nice if Merica would allow Sust for TRT. I've been reading up on it and hear good things. We're all a bunch of picky prudes on this side of the pond.
Would be nice to have as an option though. I like Sust.
I don't know about that, Sust was developed for TRT, good in theory, not so good in the real world so it fell out of favor.
Only good for PEDs is what I'm hearing. It did not make sense to me the esters associated with Sust and the pinning schedule it would take for stable bloods. The pin schedule was every 3 weeks so the roller coaster it would be to get even on bloods seemed dumb. Pinning Test P would have to be scheduled in the interim. But Test P also fell out over here. Maybe too complicated. An Endo mixed with Sports Med would be a worthwhile doc for it. Sadly they don't exist legitimately.
No way sust every 3 weeks? Sust keeps me pretty stable but if I pinned it every 3weeks I wouldn't be stable at all, no one would. Probably better off pinning test undecanoate if you're gonna wait that long in between pins.
1 amp of pharma sust E10D was the golden ticket for me when I tried using sust in lieu of my test c. I would still be using sust but the pip is to much for me.
Cyp 100%. Less injections, more stable blood levels.
RustyhookerHundreds of same forum. Should review there first on eroids.com
It's different for every person so it's.not one size fits all. Some people are really prone to pip when using test e, I am one of them. So I use test c, but some people will say 1 is better than the other for them but find what works for you. Nobody is gonna be able to tell you what works best for you. Trial and error. But at the end of the day either of them is going to do the job for you.
TricepatopsCyp has less PIP for me so I prefer Cyp. But also it seems in Europe Eth is more popular and Cyp is for the States.
6 of one, half a dozen of the other