posted Wed, 10/12/2022 - 13:04
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+ 7 Bloods on Maha Test & Qtropin Hgh
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Decided to pull bloods just to see where im at and again see areas i need to fix.
Bloods taken 8am mon
Current Cycle -
Maha test e 375mg wkly taken sun 12pm
Ap primo 400mg split sun 12pm and wed 12pm
Bayer rimo 200mg split sun 12pm and wed 12pm
Pharmaqo Tren e 200mg wkly taken sun 12pm
Para Pharma Mast e 200mg wkly taken sun 12pm
Qtropin hgh 3ius daily am shot taken 4am 3hrs prior test.
Driada letro half tab 1.25mg wkly.
Havent taken any orals for few months since last heavy run on wini & var in june / july.
Test results seem about right & hgh seems a tad lower than what i usually get taking 3ius daily.
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First of all, thank you for sharing the results.
A few comments from me.
We all know that liver is the major source of IGF-1 in the circulation, if your ALT/AST # are high, this may affect the IGF-1 levels. To what extend these liver enzymes will affect HGH/IGF-1 conversion vary from person to person. + some other factors mentioned below. I understand you had better # with a similar ALT/AST, E2 situation on the same HGH protocol, email me, plz, we always reimburse/credit for bloodwork. I also got a few more questions, if you don't mind.
Rustyhooker375mg for 2200 not too shabbly. Check on your alt etc.
For some odd reason I thought your score would be higher but it's still good. Guess I'm use to seeing all those very high scores lol. So man how would you compare maha to other test e that you've run? For me it worked good.
Yeah iv seen some crazy high test results recently and dosages.
Myself iv always ran test at 250mg - 300mg max i dont ever feel the need to go any higher as im never really bulking tbh and most my score at that dose comes back around 1200 - 1400s.
Recently i decided to try 1.5cc @ 375mg just to see how i feel for 10wks with the added 200mg tren e and i did put on 3lbs lean muscle with upping cals to just maintainence from always being in deficit and bf still low or same.
I do like maha test its very good and consistant so me coming in at slight up 2000s this time its dose pretty accurate like jano pct posted.
But im going back my usual 250mg or possible even lower just to stay more healthy and fix myself as i feel i dont need to be up there and like to be more at range or tad above.
Hey I like your approach man, you're doing what works for you. When I used Maha Test I used it at similar dosages like you and I definitely felt it kick hard lol. Hey health is wealth man. Stay heathy bro
nice to see some good numbers from an reliable participant!
thanks for sharing mate!
JuicedAggressionYou got that fire my dude!
I'm still in shock from his Jano results on the Maha Test...242mg/ml. More like 300mg or 350mg
JuicedAggressionIGF is low for sure. That's sad because Qtropin is a big name. As for total Test it looks good, but I believe if you split your Test and Mast into biweekly injections as your doing with the Primo and Tren you will pull a slightly higher number as well as keep as steadier blood serum level therefore having a better cycle. 7 days is a stretch. It would also help keep your estro and such better in check with less AI. Thanks for posting man! Love it!
Man that cholesterol ratio makes me cringe. But that’s tren and Letro for you. Not considering idk what your baseline is.
As @HanginLow mentioned below, killing your estrogen as low as it is with letro involved, I’m not surprised the IGF-1 is low. But I hate seeing that. Should be higher. Remove that one variable with the letro and that would give you a more clear indication if it’s doing what it’s supposed to.
My comments isn't an attempt to find an excuse, as I truly believe there's no need to look for one in this case.
1) Should be higher. - TBH, with so many compounds, crashed E2, High ALT/AST, with no baseline #...I'd say we shouldn't expect higher #'s either, but
2) as Roider007 mentioned he had a better response to a different HGH brand a year before and the bloodwork from 2021 shows nearly identical ALT/AST, E2 #'s. - IDK, it's always hard to compare results, especially when a customer ran a different brand. I'm sure if Roider007 will pull bloods again tmrw, he may get different #'s too, our body may not be responding the same way to the same meds all the time.
3) I've contacted Roider007, he said that 3 IU's were injected SubQ, not IM for the test. I usually inject HGH 2-3 hr Intra muscular before the blood test, I'd suggest 4-5 hr if one decides to inject it SubQ, as it always takes longer to see the peak #'s when you inject SubQ.
With all that being said, I don't wanna draw any conclusions, but some major factors that may cause low IGF-1 # are in place.
We pay close attention to QC, matter of fact, some great content about our QC is in the works, we'll compare Qtropin HGH to a known Rx HGH brand, we'll do it with as much transparency as it's possible. Anyone who has access to a legit US/EU pharmacopeia testing can do the same.
Respectfully,
RS
Iv been working on lipids but i think its the tren being there not helping but going forward next wk its only test @ 250 & primo @ 400mg as it was the last wk on mast & tren so will see how it goes. Il drop the ai too and work from there as for hgh im dropping it as tbh i didnt see a huge benefit from it but thanks for the input.
Yeah there’s not much you can do naturally to work on the lipids when you have tren and letro there trashing them from the foundation. Take as much fish oil, niacin, or red yeast rice extract as you want but I don’t it makes a huge difference in the end.
I’m not sure what your goals were this cycle and if you reached them or if tren/letro were really needed to do so but that cholesterol ratio is really putting you at risk long term brother. Something to think about.
I feel you bro goals i did reach prior to switching to primo as i was running high mast and wini & var prior to my holiday and prob the leanest i ever got with diet incheck but felt so shitty & weak & hungry through the process like i was on a contest prep once i got to single digits but i did looked my very best.
Tren i only added to experiment at 200mg for feel good factor once i switched to primo in transition from high mast but kept mast in there at low 200 since i had great success with it but like said i didnt help my lipids in anyways.
I am dropping to simple test & primo only next wk to keep still keep lean and fullness with moderate diet.
Hopefully i can work on lipids more and liver just running those only.
Gotcha. I’m glad you reached your goals man. Truly. Just remember there a cost with these compounds. Clearly shown here in your labs. That level of dyslipidemia puts you at significant risk for atherosclerosis and increased plaque development over time. I’m saying this to you here but also reiterating it to myself as I’ve been thinking more and more lately about stepping away from competing.
I have experimented over the years with certain orals here and there during my off seasons as well as in the past before I started competing but ultimately have used less and less. Because of the long term health implications. I’ve only used tren during prep, save for a few weeks I wanted to try a low dose during an offseason but it messed with my sleep pretty quickly so I stopped. Even Mast I only use during prep. It certainly does shine when body fat is lower and has less of an impact on lipids than orals are going to but that is likely dose dependent as well. Too much of anything, including testosterone, is going to negatively impact lipids. And there are studies to support that.
It is definitely hard work without a doubt, getting body fat low and maintaining that with the lifestyle we do. But I firmly believe if testosterone is optimal and drive/motivation is there, all you need is the right diet/cardio regimen to get there. The rest is just extra. Tools in the toolbox to help achieve an added effect. But at a cost. And what cost? Maybe 5 years off my life, maybe 10. Idk. But what I am realizing as I get older is that although I’ve won some shows and maybe I do get my pro card next year it is still just a hobby for me. I have no intention to compete as a pro. It is not bringing home a paycheck for me. Rather the opposite, it just drains my wallet.
Don’t get me wrong I love training I love fitness and part of me loves the lifestyle and dedication. But I’m also pretty fucking tired lately. I see more and more young men, and older men, dying prematurely. With contributing factors surely being AAS usage. Careless usage. Not because they’re paying bills with their physiques or putting food on the table or a roof over their heads. But because of ego. Vanity. Chasing a desired look or physique a lot of the times not having the foundation of which is needed to achieve that physique and pushing drugs to substitute. Not saying this is the case for you at all just saying my experience with many men. And women for that matter.
The work is hard. Period. But I’ve learned at least for myself I can definitely get by on less. I’ve achieved more with less. And I feel better. My labs look better. My BP is better. You may not need as much as you think. I wish you well and continued success in your training and goals. But most of all in staying healthy. Dropping to test only. Or Test and Primo. cutting out the other major players. And repeating lipids in a month or two will give you a good indicator of how that’s going.
Just re-read this post and honestly this is the same way that I am now feeling. I've set and met my goals in powerlifting and now it's like what am I doing now, what else do I need to accomplish at the expense of my health. Even though I am and have been conservative, everything still takes a toll on the body, the intense training using heavy ass weight, the mental preparation, the pressure of meeting time lines, running orals along with oils etc. And we have to admit that seeing all these bodybuilders pass away does and should play a significant part. It actually disgusts me. I've decided I'll do one more cycle possibly around feb or march and call it a day for a year or even two. And I totally agree as you get older you realize that life in itself with health is the ultimate goal, not so much of the many trophies or medals that we so eagerly chase. Well I don't need to go on with this rant but hopefully you find your peace and continue to think safety. Just a quick thought.
Personally for me it's a blessing seriously. I'm at a point where I've never used Tren, even high dosages or many compounds in my cycles and guess what it's way too late to start doing those things now. Did I miss out? Maybe, but that's the past and my health is integral and of most importance. It's actually a blessing in disguise really and that's exactly how I'm looking at it. Wish I would of experimented a little more with this or that when younger but again, sometimes we save ourselves without us even knowing it. And like how you made the point of folks dying from reckless usage of gear, that always played a key factor in my head. I honestly think you have to be intune with your body and actually know your limits. See alot of youngsters don't and can't comprehend this. When they do, if they do, it's way too late. Heart transplant, liver transplant or even dialysis is already upon them so quickly it's a damn shame..just a thought that's all.
It’s very hard to comprehend for the youngsters out there (albeit I’m still young myself) but unfortunately, for most, they have to experience for themselves and live by trial and error. And even more unfortunately that takes time. Which can be very detrimental to our health as we all know when it comes to AAS. Time that, ironically, you could have had more of if you spent less of it wasted on (knowingly or unknowingly) worsening your health.
Absolutely. I don't get it myself. Man in the 70's most of those guys I can promise you weren't running crazy dosages.They used 1 or 2 injects with an oral period lol. That was just protocol and they grew like weeds. The more is better and I want it now mentality is and will be the downfall to alot as we already see. You would think some would learn from others death but it's as if they are special and excluded from harm. This is the world as we know it lol
100% agreed.
Honestly you couldnt have said that any better bro im at this point myself and have been thinking about it all just as you mentioned for past few wks before bloods.
If i could thumb this comment up a 1000 i would as it make absolute sense.
Thanks brother. Be well.
Yes it does make sense and thanks for this post. +1
It's all fun and games until that casket is lowered 6 feet into the dirt...that's just the way it is unfortunately
Serious knowledge drop here.
Knowledge or experience, idk. But one thing is for sure brother the more I see out in the world and in practice the more I am questioning things for myself short term and long term. Maybe that changes, who knows. Maybe I’ll start running 10g of test next week idk. Unlikely lol.
But learn and grow. Physically. Mentally. Emotionally. Spiritually. If you can. Promote your own measure of health and happiness. Inner peace. And what we can provide to those around us. That would be my measure of success. I don’t think it’s on stage for me. I also don’t have the genetics, or probably willpower? To push myself to be a top ten 212. That would be the goal ultimately as a pro. Hell I know right now hand downs 100% I don’t want that. So what am I really doing? - My internal dialogue lately.
I completely understand where you are coming from and have these thoughts and have discussions with athletes many times. Being a professional and competitive bodybuilder really is winning the genetic lottery. Much like what is necessary to have the physical attributes to be in the NFL or NBA. Also I feel like with guys like you and I the knowledge of what we are doing to our bodies starts to wear on you, when you don't know and you are blissfully ignorant, you never worry about LVH or liver cancers.
All I can say is make sure you are competing because you love it and no other reason. I get an incredible amount of satisfaction from coaching. And I am hoping you get the same from practicing and coaching. I'm going to push my body to the absolute limit but I have a similar situation as you, at my height I would need to be over 300lbs off season with decent conditioning to be a competitive super heavyweight even at the national level. Currently sitting at 270 lb was such a huge task. With so many health risks, I cannot imagine pushing my body weight up another 30 lb of muscle. I compete because I love it and I don't want to look back and regret wasting any of my youth. As you know it only gets harder. Anyway, regardless of our future plans, we've got nothing left to prove to anyone but ourselves.
Amen brother.
CloUSMCThank you for this, I’m running MaHa right now too! +1
From my understanding elevated liver enzymes and lower estradiol creates an environment that is hard for your liver to convert the IGF1. Not making excuses, just creating a dialogue, thanks for testing +1
ps I would get that lipid panel sorted
Your not wrong bro igf is always alittle tricky as numbers can be affected by many factors low end estro ,elevated liver , dht compounds.
Im not saying its bunk but numbers are lower than iv ever got so far on 3ius based on previous bloods iv had with low estro & liver & dhts etc.
Yeah IGF1 is really tricky but being on a similar stack and same dose previously gives you some workable data. Wonder what source will have to say.
Bros got the perfect AI protocol look at that damn E2
Jokes aside looks like the cycles goin well, how’s the gains goin?
Gains are going great bud not looking for size just more lean vascular and fullness i like to stay low bf 10% or lower around 195 to 200lbs.
Estro seems in middle which for me works great as i always keep it on lower end as for me zero acne and no gyno since im very gyno sensitive.