+ 42 HOW TO RUN A FIRST CYCLE
I've been getting a lot of questions about how to run a first cycle and instead of responding to everyone, I'm going to just post something here. First off, you should do research. Google search anything you can think of when it comes to AAS - first steroid cycle, beginner steroid cycle, test and dbol cycle, proper pct for first cycle, etc. This is by no means a be all end all guide to running your cycle, but I'm going to post some things just to get people started in the right direction.
FIRST CYCLE
Your first cycle should be a relatively simple and straightforward one, meaning one, maybe two anabolic compounds, the necessary ancillaries, and a proper PCT. Do not over complicate this one as test will be the base for all your future cycles. Its good to find out how you react to it alone before you add on extra components. I do think running an oral kickstart for a first cycle is acceptable, as using a longer estered test (enanthate or cypionate) will take around 4 weeks before the test is "noticeable" in your system, so you can judge the effects of the oral independent of the testosterone.
**Can you run an oral only cycle? ** Yes you can, but its really really not worth, in most cases. Most people won't retain any of the gains they make off a 4-6 week dbol cycle - you'll blow up quick, but you won't have the extra time on cycle to get your body used to holding the extra mass while being in an elevated anabolic state. Also, all anabolic/androgenic compounds shut down your natural test production. Testosterone is a key component in your everyday functioning in life, and when you supplement your system with anabolics other than testosterone (that shut down your test production), you will feel the effects of the reduced testosterone.
Can I just run Deca or EQ or Tren by itself with no test for my first cycle - it will still be only one compound? No.... again, read above. Using these other anabolics still result in shutting down your natural production of testosterone and you will experience side effects of no testosterone - lethargy, depression, lack of libido, erectile dysfunction, etc.... not worth it. Yes, some people have run cycles with no test and have been fine, but that is generally the exception, not the rule. Much better to play it safe then "hope" you are the exception to the rule.
What's this about gyno? Testosterone (along with a number of other anabolics - deca, dbol) is an aromatizing compound meaning with elevated levels of it, you will have corresponding elevated levels of estrogen in your system. It is generally wise to combat these during cycle to avoid excessive bloating and the posisbility of developing breast tissue (gyno). Two ways of doing this: an Aromatase Inhibitor (AI) or a Selective Estrogen Receptor Modulator (SERM). In general, I think using an AI during cycle is better as it prevents the testosterone from aromatizing in the first place, whereas a SERM prevents the estrogen from binding to estrogen receptors. A popular and easily available AI for on cycle use is Anastrozole (brand name Arimidex); SERMs are generally used if gyno is already an issue on cycle, or for PCT.
PCT - what's that? Post Cycle Therapy - this is a necessity and not something that is optional or can be purchased over the counter in your local GNC. So all cycle long you've been injecting testosterone and you have lots of it in your system, much more than your body naturally produces. So what does your body do ? - it stops producing its own testosterone. As the long estered testosterone wears off at the end of the cycle (roughly two weeks from your last injection), you body realizes that it no longer has testosterone in it and decides to try to make some of its own. At the same time, your estrogen to testosterone ratio is high, meaning you have a lot of estrogen, but very little testosterone, and whats worse, as your body tries to start making testosterone, it converts some of that to estrogen so you have even more estrogen (very simplified explanation of whats happening). Long story short, you need a SERM, peferably Tamoxifen (Nolvadex brand name) to combat these estrogen levels and help your body get itself creating enough testosterone again to sustain your new muscle mass. Yes you can use an over the counter testosterone booster, but you MUST always use a SERM. Always.
Lastly, HCG? HCG is not always a must on your first, or lower dosed cycles, but it is highly, highly recommended. So remember how the testosterone you are injecting is telling your body to stop producing its own testosterone? Well HCG tells you body through a LH signal (I'm not going to go into specifics) to your testes to keep trying to produce testosterone. This will not only limit the amount of shrinkage you will occur on cycle in your boys down below, but it will drastically aid in how quickly you recover post cycle. Now remember, HCG is suppressive as well, meaning it must be discontinued before PCT as well. So this is only used during cycle up until several days before PCT, but will definitely help keep you ready to start producing testosterone again post cycle.
So... how does this all translate into an actual first cycle:
Weeks 1-10: 500mg Testosterone Enanthate per week (2 injections of 250mg, Sunday Morning Wednesday night)
Optional: Weeks 1-4: 30mg of Dbol per day (split in two doses, one pre workout, one 12 hours later)
Weeks 1-12: .5mg of Anastrozole Every other Day (EOD)
Weeks 4-12: 500iu's of HCG per week (2 injections of 250iu's, same days as test, but not in the same syringe)
PCT starts week 12, two weeks after last test shot
Week 1&2: 40mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
Week 3&4: 20mg Tamoxifen (nolva) per day
And that's it. Simple, straightforward and a great first cycle. Remember, time on + PCT = time off before cycle. So this whole cycle would take you 16 weeks, so you need to wait 16 weeks before your next cycle so your body is fully normalized in its natural hormonal state before doing another cycle.
**Note: * you could run the testosterone for two more weeks, Weeks 1-12, just move all the other times for the other compounds up by 2 weeks, so PCT starts week 14, HCG/Arimidex ends before you start PCT. Dbol dosage would still stay the same for 4 weeks.
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New to the group. Is this where I post request for advice?
I really have no idea how people keep responding to the same question for decades now. I know there's always new people there's always a new 17 year olds that was the year I started taking steroids but I'm about to turn 54 so that was a long ass time ago I was actually 1989 or 90. It's just funny I seen this quest same question so many times and so many forums answered by so many people and it's such a simple answer. You know there really isn't an answer the answer to this question is don't think too much if you want to take steroids use your freaking head do a little bit of research and you'll easily figure out what you should use for a first time you don't need to ask.
The best approach for a beginner in this field is mandatory testing during the cycle, a gradual increase in dosages, and simultaneously monitoring the body’s reactions. And damn, it’s so bad that many athletes neglect testing, as if it’s something secondary and completely unnecessary! Take care of yourselves, guys, health is not infinite! Peace to all!
Now I do have to say okay I am going to turn 54 for it in like 2 weeks so I'm probably older than some of your most of your fathers. But I started competing in 1990 at 17 years old and I continue competing until the early 2000s when I turn professional at the Nationals as a middleweight and I never competed again. I also kind of got away from the sport stop paying attention lost a lot of friends a lot of contacts stop training etc. I just picked up the train and again a couple of months ago so I jumped back on one of these forms. And I've been reading stuff but haven't posted anything but then I've been seeing just the weirdest thing to me. It seems like people have went from one extreme to the other. When I used to use this shit when I started in the early 90s nobody got blood test we just took the shit we took a lot less than what people take now although I don't know how much less it is cuz we were getting it was real and it was correctly those the stuff now is underdose so much maybe that's why people are taking a thousand milligrams of test and we only took 400. But nobody got blood tests nobody tested their estrogen levels. It just wasn't done. Which probably wasn't smart and there is this place for her blood testing yes to make sure you're doing okay if you're using stuff but it seems to have got to extreme place. I mean I've seen examples of people saying they're on 250 megs of test and like 100 mg of deca and they're getting their estrogen tested once a week and other things tested once a month I mean where did you come up with this amount of drugs in the first place because it's not going to work it's not enough. And secondly why the hell would you be running to the doctor for an estrogen test on this little amount? So I'm not against blood testing and I think we were pretty stupid but everything has a balance and should be done in moderation a lot of the reason for these estrogen problems actually the only reason for these estrogen problems are AIs. Which I first saw in 1998 arimidex. After that there were a few stronger ones that came out and everybody tried them when they came out and they seem to do a good job in getting rid of I know that people had very quickly. They also definitely blocked I know and lower estrogen the problem was we didn't know how much it lowered estrogen people were crashing their estrogen like crazy and didn't know it. Because nobody realized what we were supposed to take how much nobody knew that they come in 1 mg tablets but you really only need about .25 a day if that. I don't know what I did I took arimidex once and that was when I competed in 1999. I used 1 mg a day which was probably way too much for what I was using because I did not use a lot of drugs I mean yeah I used a lot of drugs if you're talking about a normal person walking down the street but compared to what I read now it wasn't a lot of drugs. I definitely didn't need one milligram a day I don't remember feeling badly in any way or having any issues the only thing that did happen is I had some guy know that went away within a week of taking the amendments entirely and never came back. I mean I look good that year just as good as any other year it didn't really make much of a difference the only thing that people were doing differently back then was people figured that since it kept your estrogen levels down they could take things like testosterone and whatnot closer to our contest. Which I think was true people were taking prop sometimes right up to the day of the show when in the past everybody would stop that at least two or three weeks before.
But now after collecting all the information and research since 1998 I would never put an AI in my body. And AI is going to cause problems 100 times out of 101. These drugs were never needed they're too strong. All we needed was NOVELDEX 10 mg a day. I always say this to people take a look at 1996 Ronnie Coleman that's before AI is even came out. Do you think he needed anything else LOL because that year he looked like a damn mutant he was the biggest most ripped bodybuilder still in the history of the sport by far. And I'm sure all he took was now with us maybe proviron. If you do you use an AI yes you do have to get your estrogen tested constantly which is a reason I wouldn't use it why would you put yourself through that? I mean when you don't have to. I know people have this theory that by lowering your estrogen level you won't hold as much water and you could take things like Anadrol and testosterone and whatnot and not hold water and still get ripped that's all bullshit. It's not your estrogen going up that is making you look like a bloated pig. On something like ANADROL. It's your shitty ass diet it's your bulking phase which I say jokingly I think it's a joke. All the bulking phases is an excuse to eat like shit and get fat. If you eat correctly and I told you I have years and years of experience of doing this I used to use Android free contest every single year up to 3 weeks away from the contest and I would be shredded beyond belief. Only using noveldex. So if the AIS do not prevent this water retention if your diet sucks and they don't help anymore than none of this does not getting bitch tits then why would you use this shit? It doesn't make any sense.
I ran a test only cycle for 16 weeks for my first cycle and everything was awesome! delts popped out of nowhere, the aggression, strength, drive, motivation all of it came after 3-4 weeks. started cycle in January and cycle finished last month. Now I am completely off everything been about 4 weeks, I was wanting to blast and cruise but had to get off cold Turkey becuase my supplier sleepytime gear, dragqueen farts TEST ENENTHATE 250 got delivered to a completly incorrect address miles away from me and now have to order again with a trusted supplier. But since i have been off test, nothing major extreme happened to me honestly. For me its all mental. I do feel less of the aggression and did notice the water retention coming off. But no AI or post cycle therapy. Just good diet, cardio, weightraining. but just my own experience i know genetics play a huge role in everything.
So you failed rules . You failed pct. But happy that youll very soon lose every pound of muscle. Brilliant!
Lol way to support this guy.
HAHA im still jacked and still get accsed of gear. I know how to keep most of my gains and strenght with nurtrition, natural supplement's and training/cardio. think ill be alright. First cycle not always going to be perfect.
Haha! Awesome
Note: you could run the testosterone for two more weeks, Weeks 1-12, just move all the other times for the other compounds up by 2 weeks, so PCT starts week 14, HCG/Arimidex ends before you start PCT. Dbol dosage would still remain the same for 4 weeks.
I would like to ask for information regarding this part... it says that the dbol dosage remains unchanged at 4 weeks... but if I also increased it by 2 weeks, so 6 weeks of dbol could it be a problem?
Honestly and I'm going to answer your question I don't know why. It's all theoretical. You don't have to change the dose of your people at all take 30 mg a day and leave it there. You also don't have to take it for 4 weeks and stop I don't know who came up with that but I wish they didn't. I understand the idea behind it that you take it for 4 weeks and waiting for your longer acting drugs to kick in and then you stop it because it's so toxic to your liver you think that your liver is going to fail if you don't. Which is total bullshit it's not close to that liver toxic. Taking one of these orals you may get elevated act levels liver enzymes which really means nothing doesn't mean you have liver damage it just means that your enzymes went up because something was introduced that your body doesn't recognize at the time and they'll go right back to normal when you stop. Now as long as you don't have something like hepatitis C which I hope nobody has you could take orals for each 10 weeks without a problem. I wouldn't suggest taking 8 50 mg Anadrol a day, like u known some to do, for months either. Really this entire thing if you're new to it it's just be logical. You're dealing with medical drugs that were made for medical purpose and aren't really made to be put in your body the way it is at this moment. If you're testosterone levels are normal and you're younger you're not supposed to be loading up on extra testosterone and these other compounds and there is the possibility you could do some damage but the possibility yes is there but can be mitigated so much just by being smart about it. I'm 54 years old I've been using steroids since I was 17 without stopping. When I stopped competing I cut out everything but testosterone deca and EQ so that's the only thing I've taken since the early 2000s but I am completely healthy. If I get a blood test at the doctor my cholesterol is like 81 my blood pressure is low I have no cloud arteries no problem whatsoever. Now that doesn't mean nobody does I took very reasonable dosages and I was only a middleweight. There were a rash of deaths that would do to the high dose of just taken in the 2000s at one point that no one can deny. I mean all you have to do is look at these idiots on YouTube that drop dead I mean everybody knew they were going to die the first time I saw that one kid's video I forget his name he was just the I mean the first thing I thought when I heard him talking was I hate this guy I love this sport and he's trashing it by saying this shit and the second thing I thought was he's going to be dead within 8 years he was dead within five.
This is GOLD right here. Everything this gentleman said is spot on. Steroid 101, every one getting into this world should be taught this before that needle hits your ass. Thank God I was schooled by a guy who took this seriously. Unspoken code of conduct.
Agreed very good info….
Minus the DBOL example in the “First cycle” build.
Not even worth throwing in an oral the first time especially something like DBOL that is essentially side effects in a pill. First thing he said- test will be your future base for all cycles so see how you react to it alone first.
Explain to me what's so wrong with dianabol in 2026 that wasn't in 1975?
Only thing I’d add not everyone needs .5 armidex EOD. Could crash there e2 especially with no dbol. I’d start with half that twice a week when they take the test then move to the whole .5mg if needed twice a week. Can go to EOD from there. I found my body doesn’t aromatase test to estrogen at a high rate. I can get 1200-1300 total test on just 110mg test e and my estrogen is like 30-35 with nothing. I’m on TRT so I don’t restart my own. No more HCG either.
Why start the HCG in week 4 and not week 1?
You'd be wasting product. It'll take a while before long esters start to shut you down.
Tiger79Hey I am 22 and am looking to do a 2 month cycle solely for scientific reasons just to see how built/ripped I can get on a two month cycle. I want to keep my long term health as good as possible. From my limited knowledge I am thinking of Tren, HGH, and SARMS, please let me know what I should do.
Your to young for any cycle
Now that I have to call bullshit on saying you're too young for any cycle. And the reason I see that is how old you are makes no difference at all and whether you take antibiotics or you don't forget about it. What does matter is why are you taking them, do you know how to train, do you know how to eat, are you competing or not are you just trying to look better on the beach to get a prom date are you doing it for a certain reason. These are all factors that make this question a lot more complex than you're just too young to take steroids. Which isn't true I started taking drugs steroids when I was 17 I'm not saying everybody should do that but I also started competing at 17 and the amount I took it 17 was ridiculously low. For that contest I did I took 200 mg a week of Deca 50 mgs EOD winstrol and 10 MGs halotestin the last 14 days. I would much rather see a 17 or 18 year old that knows what the hell he's doing knows how to train has been around the gym has trained with good bodybuilders like I did when I was at that age. I was more knowledgeable about the drugs when I was 17 and most of their mid-20s just because of who I was around. So it all depends is what I'm saying you can't just give a blanket answer like that. And you know what I didn't even look at how old this person is that you're saying is too young. Because I've seen people say they're too young and they're like 26 you're too young at 26? Hello really? If you're not going to use steroids at 26 what the hell are you waiting for till you're 36 and about to get arthritis so you can't train right I guess that's why?
Utter Rubbish - we have all been 17 year old males on here at some point in our lives, and there is no way any of us would say that we were mature and wise enough to make decisions on whether or not it is worth messing about with our endocrine systems and bodily organs at such a young age. Maybe you were mature at 17, BUT most 17 year olds are still chasing skirt around town and getting drunk every weekend to be messing about with Anabolic steroids. Also, unless you began training seriously at 12 years old then there is no way that at 17 you have established a solid enough base to warrant running Steroids - your bones haven't even stopped growing yet for gods sake.
Slow your roll newb. READ THE RULES!
FYI, this thread is 5 years old and paragraphs are your friend.
it is hlep for me
I wish I did more research and had access to information like this when I did my first cycle many many years ago. Being in the military no one spoke of it, just accusations of roids would get you tested and dishonorably discharged. My first cycle was sustanon 750mg a week for 12 weeks.
The vial said 250mg in 10ml so I thought I had to do 2.5ml for 250mg LAUGHING OUT LOUD (I was such a dumbass) but damn did that get me jacked... Great post, Love the information...
Also looking for advice on 1st cycle.
Been training for 10 yrs so far.body fat is low and diet is good.thinking 500mg of test for 12 weeks and pct nolvadex and clomid.any advice?thank you
Thanks a lot for the input. I made a table with all the info, my only doubt are weeks 11-12, since HCG should be stopped "several days before PCT". Am I missing something?
Should I really only run ten weeks of test? I was planning on doing 16-20 weeks
12 wks tops. Not going to gain anymore after that and the longer you run cycle the more difficult and riskier it becomes to recover
Damn. Ok should I blast more than 500 a week if I'm only doing 12 weeks since I have a 20 week supply
No need to go over 500mg/wk. more doesn’t mean better.
mruniverse666i’m using a 100u 10cc insulin syringe for 100mg/ml test p, how many mg are in the little tik markers in between the big lines?
Would everything be the same if Running a 250mg/week Test E dose?
Hey all. I am new. I got a question regarding HCG. Ive been lurking and a lot of people just do HCG after last pin and end before/first week of PCT. Is this method better than using HCG while on cycle?. Also, i got another question regarding SERMS. Why is tamoxifen used alongside Clomifen, if both are SERMS? whats the benefit of using them together? Can you use just tamoxifen for your PCT? (I know you can and ive seen posts about just using tamoxifen) I am asking because in my country (im from Chile) Clomifen is not sold by pharmacies and you can only get it from dealers, whereas tamoxifen you can get in oficial drugstores. Am i really missing a lot if i just use Tamoxifen for PCT?
Trance_VikingGreat information here! Anyone serious about doing their first cycle will be able to follow this easily. If they can't follow it, then they haven't done enough research.
thanks good info!
KillercadeThis is some great information. Loving this group so far
AirborneGruntExcellent post for newbies! Especially explaining HCG throughout cycle as I was uneducated on that..smh
recommendation for gauges and syringe sizes?
I am a newbie. The cycle schedule makes sense but I want to leave most doubt aside.
3cc syringe. 20-23g to draw and 25g to pin
SO...what does 20-23 g to draw and 25g to pin mean?
GrandmastersexyDam
I'd suggest you not run a cycle
If instead of 500, my cycle is based on 250/week, what would be the ideal dosis for hcg?. 250, or stlil 500?
Question since your name is blastandcruise!
I’m about to come off my first cycle, test only 500mg/wk 12 weeks, and going back to my normal TRT that I was on for 18mo before that. Should I go immediately back to my regular TRT dose(180mg/wk), or should I take a week or two off completely to let my numbers fall?
I’ve been told 2 different things by different people and would like to hear what the experts here think. I was leaning on just going straight back to my dose. Thought?
Just go to TRT dose and you'll tapper down to that level anyway, at the same rate, without the uncertainty and guess work.
Do I need AI at 250mg/week?
Possibly but I wouldn't just run it until you have lab work and/or start getting obvious symptoms. I had an E2 level of 60 (fairly high) while running 200mg of test C, with a 1080 total test and a free test of 373 (through the roof), so I felt great but my doctors think it's way too high.
You might. So always have some on hand
Thanks!. But, following this guide. I don't have to take it by default, correct?
https://www.eroids.com/forums/newbie-corner/steroids/first-cycle-when-to...