+ 50 Simple PCT Layouts
Cut to the chase as most folks won't read. Everyone likes to just jump in and go for it.
Dr Michael Scally PCT
STARTS 2 weeks after cycle ends
HCG at 2000iu eod for 20 days
Nolva at 40mg split am/pm for 45 days
Clomid at 100mg split am/pm for 45 days
Thats a basic 6 week protocol. Look familiar?
https://anabolic.org/post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Medically Reviewed by William Llewellyn, written by Dan Chaiet
12-14 hCG at 100-1500iu every 2 days
14-16 Aromasin 25mg per day
14-18 Nolva 40mg per day
14-18nolva 20mg per day
Vitamin D at 3332 iu daily lowers SHBG
https://www.steroidal.com/post-cycle-therapy/
Quotes from the Dr and PhD-- using the links posted
'hCG taken too long or at too high a dosage, the LH receptor can become desensitized'
'Aromasin has less impact on cholesterol'
Sidenote of aromasin raising igf as well.
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Eroids members extrapolated the above info and test subjects at that time posted bloods.
The members that built the often posted aro pct are Carlos Danger, cdaddy, zewi and myself.
The origional recipe called for 12.5mg aromasin daily which caused many folks to have too low estro and sore joints. The modified version below.
Harsh or long cycle had suggestion of hCG.
1 week after last pin---hCG at 500iu eod til 2nd week of pct. 3 weeks total.
2 weeks after last pin of cycle
1-2 aromasin 6.25ed
1-2 nolva 40mg split am/pm
1-2 clomid 100mg split am/pm
3-6 nolva 20mg
3-6 clomid 50mg
Edit--if bloods showed the need for caber on cycle, ive run it to second week of pct. Allow for full control by pct then stop.
The standard was 4weeks. Basic cycles or short estered cycles not using 19nor's
1-2 aromasin 6.25ed
1-2 nolva 40mg split ed
1-2 clomid 100mg split ed
3-4 nolva 20mg
3-4 Clomid 50mg
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Why does Llewellyn suggest ai during pct? Because if your e2 or prolactin is elevated, your pct will fail. Proof of why it will fail is in Eroids Group run by a medically based member MegaT883
https://www.eroids.com/og/the-bloody-truth
Any route you choose, be sure to use Pharma or equivalent grade pct products.
SgtStedankos advice on pct and libido was the addition of horney goat weed. You can google it as your research project. Its been used medically for sex drive well over a decade. I prefer the horney goat weed, maca blend. I have bad sides when i used the blend with yohimbe.
And i hope folks read and review what Llewellyn says repeatedly about hCH for too high or too long. The folks running hCG during cycle are just wreaking havoc on trying to have a successful pct.
Half life aromasin
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/14671195/?i=6&from=aromasin%20half...
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RustyhookerAnytime bro. And youre correct on hcg yes or no for pct. So many opinions. Bloods will always be the true rule and with everyone reacting similar yet differrent when it comes to meds....its litrrally info overload but for the best intentions.
Always here to help
this is the content im looking for! thank you for your service.
RustyhookerAnytime! Hit them goals sir
For any poor newbies that find their way on to this thread, and for the avoidance of any doubt whatsoever, here is Mike Scally advising you NOT to do what this Rusty chap is advising you to do as laid out in any of the protocols above.
https://soundcloud.com/under-the-bar/dr-michael-scally-anabolic-steroids...
Listen for yourselves and understand that if you follow the above advice you are very possibly making a pretty serious error, in the long run... what Scally refers to as "the most ridiculous thing in the world".
RustyhookerGo take your bipolar crap elsewhere. Dude list his license in 2003 yet thats his quote above you obnoxious kunt
Currently running pct
Wk 1 tapered off .5 adex eod down to .25
100 mg clomid
40 Nolva
Currently in week 2, 100 clomid 40 Nolva done with adex,
And feel like absolute shiznit . Still able to lift and work but feel weak, terrible blood circulation and a lot of back acne, mild shoulder. Libido and diet are still good, still hard and hungry lol
Does is get better in weeks 3 and 4 as I reduce doses by half??
RustyhookerIt says clearly up there that adex is not for pct. Adex has bad reactions to pct with negative loop feedback. Sounds like you crashed your e2 plus the negative reactions. Stop the adex. .5eod even on cycle is a lot, so was youre cyvle over a gram of test? Or you convert easily? Pharma pct?
RustyhookerFor the new folks
Hey bro,
I'm currently on 500mg HCG & 200mg Test C / week for my TRT from the doc. Looking to blast 500mg test for 6 weeks + 30mg Anavar.
You seem knowledgeable so i figured i'd ask.. do you recommend i cut back on the HCG for the 6 weeks i'm on Anavar?
RustyhookerDont troll here....
Thanks 4 info!! I'll def use one of these layouts in the future. How about micro dose of "Triptorelin"? Ever try it? This case study is interesting!
https://www.ergo-log.com/triptorelin.html
RustyhookerCarlos danger posted a great forum on alernatives. I havent used it but many have! Good add!
Thank you.
RustyhookerAnytime!!
Thanks for sharing, this is a proper handy little read to refer to for planning PCT using your tested methods.
RustyhookerThis site has been fortunate in that the above layouts used to get tons of posted bloods to help eachother in tweaking the pct.
I dont thi k there was concrete empirical evidence and successful research on this stuff back in the day, ya know, the 70s 80s 90s
basskiller89X2!!
Hey Rusty, somebody commented on my recently posted cycle about how the PCT could be improved and recommended reading this.
I sure am glad I did! Thank you for taking the time to compile this for us! Looking forward to improving future PCTs!
RustyhookerHope you have great success!
A bit of trial and error with these but works; just got to dial it in what exactly works fkr you perfectly if that makes sense. I'm convinced the most important time is the blast between the last pin and the start of Clomid and Tomoxifen; Aroma is killer all the way through the cycle and through up until Oct and through pct (helps increase LH and FSH and during PCT. HCG is the key-I will run HCG 1000 IUs everyday in between last pin and beginning of PCT; so only a few days with short esters. It worked for me last PCT. I Could have utilized the HCG better but these PCT formats work well. HCG, so.e studies that I have read, discourage HCG during cycle due to tolerance issues, and is a big NoNo during PCT. But this is My opinion and it's For Me anyway, not advice.
RustyhookerI tweak it too if i hit a harsher cycle. Many ways to skin cats. There was good forums on torem and hmg floating around too
Maybe post some. I'm just new to Nolva and Clomid and HCG. Would like to plug Into info on HMG and Toremifen as well
RustyhookerCarlos danger wrote on those. Ive not used em so it wouldnt be experienced writing.
Agreed and why push it, or fix it when it's not broke. Might as well stick with what works instead of more trial and error. I'm trying to get the right plan to fully protect all organs 100%. Longer cycles are out, arlt least 1 gallon a day of water AMD vitamins, injectable B12 sounds good, lots of learning, health is priority. Moderation lasts forever, why five through a gallon of vodka everyday....why abuse anything when you dont have too. I'm learning that lesson the hard way man. I'm dealing with an opioid problem with a doctors expertise and my numbers are good. I'm more healthy than not. Crazy stupid still but have enough sense to keep it together. My bad. Thinking out loud
Hope you can kick those opioids brother!
Also, Injectible b12 isn’t needed unless you have an absorption problem. A high quality Oral b12 will work just as good if not better.
Rustyhooker^^^^^true. And one reason why ive not even dabbled with b12. Some folks swear by it but then is it working or placebo? Powers of the mind are awesome!
Ok. I just threw it in there because others have included it, and it looks good and sounds good. Lol. I'll study it a bit. Yes, but this PCT protocol works as long as the Product is dosed right, clean and real. HCG is amazing. IMO, it is the most important transition from last pin until start of PCT, or overlaping the SERMS by just a couple of days.
Thank you for this great information. Very helpful
Great article, Rusty.
Few days ago I recommended almost the same PCT to a customer after a very harsh cycle, but I suggested him to take it for 45 days with following protocol:
Pregnyl (HCG): 2000 iu EOD x 20 days
Clomiphene 100 mg ED x 30 days
Tamoxifen 40 mg ED x 45 days
Aromasin 12.5 mg EOD x 45 days
We always recommend pharma grade PCT as the way I see it, it´s vital to complete each cycle properly.
Frank
I dont see why it's an issue to run hcg with the beginning of the SERMS, overlapping a few days. Makes sense since HCG is just so much faster and powerful. It works within just a couple of days the way I took it, but yes, I'm copying and pasting this one. Looks good, especially with the aromasin. I'm doing this one. Dont see any issue overlapping HCG and SERMS
RustyhookerStrong variation. There's so many ways to boost a person back to proper levels. I like the aro in there as igf booster plus if e2 is elevated, it will stop recovery.
Seems that HCG is a powerful recovery tool if done correctly. Trying to really learn how to do it correctly. Can be a powerful asset in recovery. That HCG made me feel great, even better than on cycle and up til PCT. Amazingly good. Loved it
I used with great success the modified eroids version. My bloods were back to normal every time. Great info itt
RustyhookerExcellent!!
Boom. Needed this big time. On track
RustyhookerHope it helps!
I read 2 of the articles. My PCT protocol is similar. Now 25 days in from last injection. Long ester cycle. Anyhow, the PCT protocol is similar using pfitzer Aroma, some name brand HCG, just finished the 100/40 Clomid/Tomox protocol, now cut in half, learned here that Aroma does not have a negative impact on Cholesterol; Long story, been surpressed, atrophy for a good while and needed this must PCT and it's been 25 days since my last shot; got majority of my Testes back just a few days after finishing HCG and I actually feel great. Sluggish but happy. changed a few things but going good. Down from 214 to 206 water weight but still feel very full as long as I get my meals in, and my strength and stamina has not changed much surprisingly. just started 25 mg MK 2866, and 10 mg, morn and night, GW 501516. Thanks man. This was reassuring. I made some mistakes previously but reading this stuff is a priority. Needed it. Im running a similar pct
RustyhookerThat initial water drop can surely be the 'oh crap' moment at times. You know what it is but it still trips me out. Lol!
Sounds like the hcg got you on track nicely! When the strength stays, youre doing great! I had bunk pct once and man it is flat horrible.
I'm backed up. Having to drink lactulose at night so that I can shit healthy (Real talk) in the morning cause I eat a good amount. Day 5 now. I'm sure it's the SERMS. I'm dropping g to 6.25 mgs of Aroma on Friday. It's NOT the Aroma. Anyway...
I'mma read these again. It's hard to focus because the Author throws in helpful links and then more links to links to links, Lol; eventually get lost and side tracked and find myself having to backtrack back to your original article posted. Most important is our, or my vulnerability to spiked cortisol. I feel my Estro is in check (will do bloods soon).
I can really feel the SARMS, MK and GW 1516 and I take Hydroxyzine for anxiety and an antidepressant anyhow. I'm considering throwing in some injectable vitamin B-12 and I take a multivitamin everyday. This is working accept I'm backed up. A couple of more weeks. I'm going to save these and incorporate it the best way possible for any future reasons.
Thanks bud
The Dan Chaiet PCT---Aromasin 25mg ED seems a bit high or did I miss something? Not trying to stir the pot....
RustyH as always I appreciate the time you put into the posts. Some I have saved. Hopefully this post will cut down on the rediculous questions about PCT when someone is weeks into a cycle. (Silent chuckle)
Have a good weekend
+1 Fang
Rustyhooker25mg a day is screaming high for me. Compared to the dosing arranged by eroids research 6.25 was enough for most folks. I tried the eroids origional 12.5 in pct a couple times but couldn't hang. Dropped to 6.25 and felt great.
If youre one of the unfortunate folks with extreme conversion to e2, then by all means adjust as needed. We used to post the basic pct of just clomid/nolva for base cycles at 4 weeks. If you're still feeling crappy, head towards 6weeks.
Pct is one of those pieces to the puzzle that can be adjusted. Like the note from sgtstedanko on horney goat week keeping sex drive high. Or the vit d to free up test while the body is still raising SBH to lower the pinned hormones.
Alphamale500Very good information! I never knew vitamin D had an impact on SHBG. I've been taking 10,000 iu of D-3 daily for a while now. Aromasin having less impact on cholesterol is the reason I'm switching from Arimidex.
All around very informative post!
RustyhookerLess impact...meanining not as harmful. Adex has a bad reaction with nolva.
Alphamale500Yeah, I've read that Aromasin isn't as harmful to your cholesterol and triglycerides as Arimidex and especially Letro are. I'm only using Aromasin from now on. I'm concerned with my cholesterol values and my overall lipid profile, and try to do anything to keep my numbers good.
Especially since my last bloodwork showed that my triglycerides were a little high and my hdl cholesterol was a little bit low. But most importantly, my total cholesterol was 141 and my ldl cholesterol was only 86 which is great. Maybe from the supps I take for heart and cardiovascular health?
RustyhookerExercise, food and even the heart supps help. The challenge can be genetics of course
no clomid at all, what is that?
William Llewellyn, written by Dan Chaiet
so use ai in pct or not?
RustyhookerClomid is listed in all of them. Llewellen and eroids folks add aromasin in first 2 weeks of pct.
Lots of very good information here! This will help a lot of members especially newbies to avoid unnecessary issues and problems, +
RustyhookerThank you! Easy to just post a link and let them research and learn