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Is it a complete waste to just eat maintenance calories on a cycle?

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Can you/will you still gain muscle? I'm on my first cycle after training 2 years natty, I'm sleeping 8 hrs a night, my diet is healthy (oats, brown rice, beans, meat, eggs, fruit, whole grains, nuts, veggies, cheese, milk in moderation, lots of water) but I am not tracking calories and struggling with eating a lot.

I eat until a big meal 3 times a day and throw in a random 1 or 2 snack on top. Sometimes I get so full I feel uncomfortable and my stomach tries to regurgitate my food, and sometimes get heartburn overnight.

I've been back in the gym for about 2 weeks so I've been able to train every muscle group at least 3 times (except legs due to knee injury) after 3 months of quarantine just doing body weight, and been on gear for a month now (and eating how I described above) and my weight is has stayed about the same.

I also notice that my strength has shot up in certain lifts but stays the same with other lifts. My bench went from 145 x7 to 165 x5 which is more than I've ever been able to do. deadlift went from 225x8 to 275x3, triceps went up like 20 lbs on the machine, shoulder/military press went from 95lbs to 115lbs, (haven't been able to do squats due to knee problems) but as far as pullups, upper back, curls I coming to the gym and doing the same amount of weight/reps every time which is really frustrating not feeling like I'm getting any stronger. My physique hasn't changed much either.

I'm wondering if this is solely because of my caloric intake being at a high/maintenance level or if maybe my estrogen has become to high increasing my SHBG causing me to lose the potential bioavailability of the AAS (which I read about somewhere here)

I don't think that my training routine is what's at fault because it's worked pretty well for the last 2 years.

I'm running 60mg dbol/75mg anavar PWO w/ tudca and 600mg/week test, and 10mg injectable superdrol PWO, I know this is ridiculous for a first cycle, I did a lot of research but I wanted to see results fast I got bloods done pre cycle to make sure everything was healthy and bloods again 2 weeks ago to check test (my blood pressure was in healthy range, just higher than normal) and more bloods a couple days ago to check test and estrogen to see if my estrogen is high, haven't had many side effects so far & haven't needed to take an AI or SERM. I am just in need of advice because I feel I should be seeing more results

Nicolai's picture

"Yeah, hi, I've been back in the gym for 2 weeks, taking all the juice, and I'm not Ronnie Coleman stage ready, nor lifting like Eddie Hall yet. Is something wrong!?" This jumps in crazy everytime I come back to read it. Not to mention Test takes about a month to kick in and you're just 2 weeks to a month in.

I cannot for the life of me see you only benching 1 plate on each side, with "2 years of training", and good eating. What the hell were you benching before that at "5 foot 9 inches tall & 190 pounds?" Something isn't adding up. No offense broski, but are you really an adult? If not, who cares and own up to get some real help. This shit is serious.

press1's picture

Something is way off somewhere if those are your lifting numbers after training for two years mate - you should be benching that after the end of 2 months natty not 2 years and on a big amount of Dbol disregarding all the rest of the compounds.

If you are eating till you are full then there is nothing more you can do on that front & your hormone levels shouldn't be knackered if you are still on your first cycle. I think one of two things is happening here - You have been training for about a month and jumped straight onto gear expecting quick results overnight or your form is simply way out and you are not deadlifting and benching properly - such as laying flat backed on the bench and not driving with legs etc. Dump all the orals and read up on exercise form on some powerlifting sites, in fact ideally you should be jumping off all the gear entirely until you have some respectable numbers in the 3 lifts first.

I'm amazed you haven't done yourself an injury in all honesty cycling those 3 orals together, either in your liver or muscle.

Spark's picture

"I've been back in the gym for about 2 weeks"

Give us an update after hardcore training and eating in a yr to 10 yrs.

You only trained a little over 2 yrs. It takes time to do this correct.
Do you even have a solid base to your build. Throw up a recent pic so members can give you more feedback.
Saying you are 25 yrs old on your stats here is the same as telling the police you only had 2 drinks when you get pulled over for a DUI. Leads members to believe you are under 25.

What do you expect for 2 wks?

Drop the 3 orals. Stick with the test.., which should be kicking in now..,and maybe throw in some proviron.

Hard training, nutrition, and time if you want to see results.

With the 3 orals you are just going to end up getting sides. One of which is loss of appetite and heartburn. Never mind fawking up your liver and kidney.

IrishMack's picture

Which .means I was right. You need food not drugs,.
Too young to even do what you're doing and it shows.

Spark's picture

Just replying so you cant edit your age. Looks like you will need to come back in 2 yrs to post your progress.

Gzerored1's picture

I'm sorry but at 25 with your major lifts being that low, why did you need to use gear? Also bad knees from what? Acl or lcl or mcl or pcl tear? Things just aren't adding up. A 20lb bench jump from such low numbers too is worrisome if gear was needed...

DfromPhilly's picture

It’s not really Much of a jump of at all on bench. Look at the reps.

Nicolai's picture

If you're doing it right, you should be gaining. It's all about the food & recovery son. All the drugs combined won't do shit for you without proper diet & recovery.

If you're being honest about labs, good on you, POST THEM if the site allows it. But I hate to break it to you kiddo. Your chasing your base with drugs, and when you're finished with your "cycle" expect to deflate like a balloon. Just the Test would have worked wonders and gave maintainable gains. Stacking Dbol with Superdrol without steady gains over the years is going to make you look saggy. I don't mean to be a douche, but just tapper off everything but the Test because you're already this deep down the rabbit hole. Eat like a monster. In Strongman, we focus on food. The gear comes later, and you're taking a stack that not even I would fuck with broski. Could be shitty androgen reception with so much chems at once. Dangerous shit.

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DfromPhilly's picture

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say at 5’9 190 with a 165x5 bench and an estimated deadlift max of 305, that there’s a good amount of fat in that 190.

Sam I Am's picture

Bingo

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RSN34's picture

I have to say you’re right. I’m guessing he never lifted before taking gear and thought he would get huge quick. I find it hard to believe hes really taking those orals and preworkout together. He said he did research but anyone that knew even a little would never run a cycle like this.

blackjack115's picture

"Struggling with eating" That's where you should've stopped thinking about even starting a cycle. If your sleep, diet and training are not at a proper consistent level hopping on steroids will do more damage than good.

GizmoDuck's picture

You’re missing the two main ingredients for muscle gain:

BOATS N HOES!

DfromPhilly's picture

Oh boy... this one’s a doozy.

Listen to beardedmuscle. I’m to tired to be constructive and all I wanna do is make fun of you, so I’m just gonna go to bed. He’s got you covered.

Only thing I can add Constructively is I hate to break it to you but it doesn’t sound like you any stronger. 145x7 to 165x5... maybe a tiny jump...MAYBE. 225x8 to 275x3. That’s about the same. Maybe even a little of a regression? I dunno too tired to do the math.

You gotta learn to train. And a lot of other things. Listen to beard.

Bearded_muscle's picture

Let me get this out of my system, you look like a foolish child who has no business messing around with AAS. Your stats are pathetic, and I doubt you’re 25.

Ok now we can help, everybody starts somewhere. Unfortunately you hopped on the sauce a little early. You should be able to bench 225 natty for 10 reps no problem, but you want it now and didn’t want to wait. This is going to be an issue. Gains come with patience. I trained just shy of 10 years natty and I benefit greatly from that.

Now you’re applying that same “give me now, no hard work, I said NOW” approach to your cycle. You’ve loaded up on enough liver toxic orals for THREE DIFFERENT CYCLES AT ONCE. You realize that right? If I only took your dbol dose I could put on 20 pounds in a month. If I only took your anavar dose I could get firehouse veins running down my arms. Superdrol is so toxic I have yet to try it, but if I did, 10 mgs would be plenty. So you are running 3 different oral cycles at once and still not making the gains you want.

What does this tell you? It should tell you that your expectations far exceed what reality can provide. So either take some time off, PCT, study up and put in another 3 years of hard work naturally to earn your right to use PED’s or go ahead and add some methyl tren to your cycle and be dead by years end. I suggest the former.

Comebackszn's picture

I’m not one to flame but seriously man, you shouldn’t even consider cycling if you can’t even bench 225 natty. Literally just wasting your potential and shutting yourself down for no reason. And no AI on top of everything to make matters worse. I’m 24 and I’ve been cycling for 3 years and have good knowledge on it so like I said I’m not the one to usually flame but when I saw this post I had to say something... you need aromasin or Arimidex with that amount of test half a tab EOD... with those stats and your ability to only eat that much and feeling full you made a mistake even starting... especially with all those compounds! I hope you have a solid PCT in place. My educated guess would be you’re 19 years old.

Also one more thing I wanted to edit in... when I started my first cycle at 21 I didn’t see much results but water weight and bloat. You can’t expect to do one cycle and see phenomenal transformation unless you’re already in phenomenal shape natty... you got a lot kore training and research to do cause you clearly haven’t done enough research! Best of luck

IrishMack's picture

Post up those bloods that say you have no sides. Taking all those orals and 600mg test there's no fucking way. Go into the pictures section and post one. You're in such a rush for zero gains. All those drugs and very little to show for it.

Let is know when you post that recent blood test.
And fix your stats, you are not 25, I'm going out on a limb here and say either 22 or younger.

Hitting each muscle group 3 times a week? 7 days a week and 3 hour sessions?

Bearded_muscle's picture

Amen, most of us start lifting in our teens. So two years of training he should be 20-22, somewhere in there.

IrishMack's picture

He just admitted he is 23.

addicted.to.pain's picture

my diet is healthy (oats, brown rice, beans, meat, eggs, fruit, whole grains, nuts, veggies, cheese, milk in moderation, lots of water)

Cut out the Oats , Brown Rice , Beans and Cheese all of those are very difficult to digest.

Keep it simple : White rice , Chicken , Ground turkey , salmon , Steak on occasions and canned tuna in a pinch .

Eggs yes but only egg whites and only in morning , Fruits are good for breakfast and veggies should be a part of your lunch and dinner .

Nuts like Almonds and Pistachios are good as snacks through out the day in between meals, Grains I tend to stay away from they are hard to digest also and Milk I always use lactose free and mix it with my protein shakes.

Clean meats, White rice are the staple . Veggies you eat for the Vitamins, Minerals and Fiber , Fruits are good fructose and glucose to start the day with and Eggs tend to be a staple for breakfast .

Protein Shakes can help you bridge the gap especially when you feel like you cant down any solid food.

You are not eating for Pleasure or flavor , you are eating for fuel .

RSN34's picture

Very good advice

GrowMore's picture

Solid info bro.

Might be worth adding a fibre supplement with all that food to help it run smoother through the body.

addicted.to.pain's picture

I'm running 60mg dbol/75mg anavar PWO w/ tudca and 600mg/week test, and 10mg injectable superdrol PWO, I know this is ridiculous for a first cycle,

My man that is .....not a good first cycle that is not a good any cycle.

three orals and your only 25, go back to the drawing board and rethink those foods. The gains from this cycle will disappear as quickly as they came , wait a few years eat and then try some Test ..maybe.