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Debunking the myth: Narcotics for muscle recovery.

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Is no secret that for a long time many people in the bodybuilding community (from professional athletes to the regular gym rat) have given some sort of credit to pain killers or narcotics, specially opiates, as being an integral part of their general "supplementation protocols", specifically when it comes to recovery. I know, it may sound stupid to you as it does to me, but there's people out there that swear by it and I don't judge them, because these type of drugs have a way to make you believe things that are not true. Thats why so many fall prey to narcotic drugs.
The general thought behind this erroneous concept is that: "The more relaxed I am during my resting period and the better sleep in an REM state, the better recovery I will have and that will render better growth". Well, in theory thats correct, but if your way of obtaining this is through pain killers or narcotics, I'm sorry to let you know, that you are actually achieving the reverse effect and that is called CATABOLISM!
There are many studies that grant or give some sort of benefit in muscle recovery to drugs like acetaminophen, aspirin and medicines in the NSAIDS family. But when we talk about narcotics, there is no scientific evidence that this type of drug will help in a substantial or enhanced way to muscle recovery. The only credible (better yet incredible) evidence regarding this matter comes from anecdotal evidence, better known as "bro science".
Don't get me wrong, there's a purpose for this drugs and if your doctor with a real license (not a "doctor wanna be" with a 22" bicep) prescribed you something like this, he/she knows why he/she did it. I'm not talking about legitimate medical issues, I'm talking about bodybuilding/recreational usage. If you are reading this and your doctor put you on some drug of this kind, well... listen to your doctor, what the fuck do I know about anything anyway. I'm talking about the geniuses who pop these pills thinking is helping them to get bigger and better just because they feel recovered and rested after taking them.
There is many, many, many scientific evidence that prove that narcotics will have a deleterious effect on muscle building, but somehow people insist that they do help in some way. The problem with this is that many people, short in the brain department, are so desperate to obtain gains and have this wrong mentality of "anything and everything it takes", that they end up doing things like this and the end result is usually not a pretty one. People who insist in this practice usually end up with narcotic addiction problems, with severe health issues and death is always a big possibility.
Is a known fact that inflammation is an important factor in muscle development. Thats why supplements like arachidonic acid, that work through inflammation, are utilized to build good amounts of quality muscle. But when people use narcotics such as: Percocet, Codeine, Hydrocodone, Vicodin, Tramadol, Ultracet, Morphine and of course the infamous Nubain (which according to the May 2000 issue of MuscleMag International, 6 of the top 10 Mr. Olympia contenders use Nubain on a regular basis to be more relaxed and sleep better before competition) something very intresting happens and there's a study that proves this point.
Here's the link:

https://www.nature.com › aps2007138
Morphine enhances purine nucleotide catabolism in vivo and in vitro - Nature

There is a reason why muscle pain or inflammation are important, specially in muscle building. Muscle pain or inflammation is, in simple words, a double signal to the brain. One signal is for you to stop, eat, and rest. The other one is so it can send the proper help to the affected area for repairs. If you are taking the proper supplementation, having the proper nutrition and the right amount of rest, chances are you are going to have good protein synthesis and recovery. But if after a hard session in the gym your solution to get a good night sleep for recovery is, lets say a Percocet, well... you just committed self sabotage. Let me tell you why. Just like we know we have androgen receptors and estrogen receptors, we also have hundreds of other receptors through our system and among them is one that is called the opiate receptor. When a person makes use of a narcotic opiate what happens is basically that the signal to the purine nucleotide gets blocked, and that purine nucleotide is nothing else than the general manager for all cellular regeneration throughout the body, in other words, you stay catabolic because you blocked the call, from the main office, to the construction site and the workers took the day off. Theres no cellular regeneration and no recovery. You may say; but I'm on TRT! Well, that testosterone will just get metabolized and excreted if you stay on those drugs for a prolonged period of time, because you are blocking the use of it in terms of cellular regeneration. In the same study, was proven that when a opiate antagonist, a blocker at the receptor level called Naloxone was administered, the purine nucleotide was reactivated soon after. In other words the recovery and cellular regeneration started once the opiate was blocked from the receptor.
This aspect may be confusing for some who after using opiates may come to believe that it helped them in some sort of way to recover better, but that is just an illusion. Soon enough the person will realize that the progress has come to a halt. Not to mention the fact that pain tells you when to stop. Many are the stories of people who've been injured while using narcotics and exercising at the same time. Yes, of course we should want to push the envelope to the max, but always with a clear head and all your senses fully activated, including the capacity to feel pain, so you know when to stop and dont do more harm than good. I wouldn't advise nobody to get in a squat rack with heavy weights while using some sort of narcotic, that's just plain crazy for me, but people seem to be stupid enough to do shit like that. May the gods enlighten their brains.
Others claim that opiates (synthetic or organic) helps them do more and better cardio workouts, when the reality is that is proven that all opiates have an effect that is called: Opioid Induce Respiratory Depression. In other words you cannot breathe right. You develop shallow breathing and the ratio between oxygen and carbon dioxide gets messed up. During hypoventilation, the body can’t adequately remove carbon dioxide. This can lead to poor use of oxygen by lungs. The result is a higher level of carbon dioxide and too little oxygen available to the body, and we know how important is oxygenation in muscle building. Actually the great majority of people who have died from over dosage of narcotics, died because they suffered respiratory failure. Still some people claim that they can stay in the step climber for two hours because of these drugs. Yep, people can stay in a step climber for two hours, but absolutely not because they had enhanced endurance, is simply that they were high as a fucking kite, and when your are high, watching a turd float might seem like a good way to invest your time and anything is enjoyable. But "enjoyable" is not the same thing nor has the same definition as "effective" and we are looking for effectiveness. Effectiveness in the long run will yield enjoyable results, while enjoyable in the short run will not yield effective results.
If some meat head tells you that narcotics are good for recovery, thats exactly the type of person that you should avoid if you are truly serious about your health. There are far better and effective options to develop a good recovery protocol. There are things like:
- Melatonin
- Teas
- Antihistamines
- CBD Oil (Even though is thought to raise estrogen levels, still is way better option than opiates and tons of research shows that it possesses healing properties.)

Opiates or opioids, however you might like to call them, they have their purpose in the medical field as an excellent pain killer for those who really need them because of severe injuries or painful diseases and that might include people injured from all sorts of sports. But for muscle building... we want and we need the pain. To use this kind of drugs as a way to enjoy our workouts better or to get better sleep seems to totally defeat the purpose. To win the fight against ourselves is what actually makes us strong. Self sabotage is the strongest strategy our weakness have against ourselves.
Keep on rocking and be safe!

addicted.to.pain's picture

Narcotic Pain killers do help tremendously with muscle recovery .

But they are meant to be used only with serious muscle injuries and broken bones etc etc , simply using them in between workouts as a recovery aid is ridiculous and an excuse to get stoned on a daily basis .

press1's picture

How do they possibly help with muscle recovery though bud? Do they not operate similar to aspirin and ibuprofen in that they hinder recovery as they stop inflammation at the injured site by blocking the production of prostaglandins and the bodies natural healing process? Meaning it all takes much longer and it doesn't heal as strongly.

Bill1976's picture

I have been taking Ibuprofin and Aleve for a pulled muscle in my neck. Maybe that’s why it’s taking forever to heal.

press1's picture

It probably will be mate - I know when I was taking heavy painkillers everyday for toothache my training really suffered as the recovery period was nowhere near as effective. I found a study where you were okay up to about 400mg per day of Ibuprofen but after that it really does hamper things.

addicted.to.pain's picture

Doctors write opiate prescriptions for severe injuries not just for pain relief , but because for example lets say the patient has a broken bone the Opiates relax the muscles , nerves etc around the broken bone to such a degree that it allows the bone to heal very rapidly .

Opiates are not anti-inflammatory , Opiates work directly off the brain to reduce pain . Opiates heal torn muscles for sure with out a doubt , but as for actually helping muscle growth that I don't know .

Spark's picture

I've known a bunch of people that smoke weed before working out. Claim they get a better mind muscle connection. But they are just stoned. Their personality and focus changes.
I would love to take a few opiate pills before working out. Would knock out any pain and the first few times I would feel euphoric and more sociable.
But it starts off with maybe 2 pills then 4 pills and etc. Then I am taking them on my days off from training. Then have a tolerance and need the pills to avoid withdrawals.
Quickly my focus is no longer on intense training but just waiting to get it over with to get high and relax.

Have had issues with nubain as well. Never used it PWO. Same thing though half assed it through the workout so I could get home a take a shot of nubain. Dark times bro.

But in the states they have went over board with cutting off or reducing opiate pain killers to people with legitimate chronic pain issues. And some ER's will only give you NSAIDS or Tylenol and nothing opiate based if you are in srs pain. Pain pills are used to treat pain and if one is in acute or chronic pain they should be allowed access to them. Just have their dr's manage them to make sure they are not abusing them.
Most states have the pill monitoring system in place. Which for some reason lists HGH on it. So you drs and pharmacists can all see what you are on.
Big pharma, the FDA, politicians and people looking to profit started this opiate epidemic.
What your average citizen in the states doesnt realize is that they lump in Fentanyl and heroin into the total overdose death rate.
Fentanyl made up 70 + percent of the deaths last yr.., not some pills from a dr.

addicted.to.pain's picture

Its the same story with Adderall guy's swear its a great pre-workout , but in reality its just a bunch of people taking Adderall to get tweaked.

Izzy75's picture

With all due respect, NO. Opiates do not help heal torn muscles. Opiates work only for analgesia. That is the management of pain. There are actually studies that show that intravenous administration of morphine actually affects the synthesis of protein on surgery site. Don't get me wrong, it does have a place on the medical field, but only and specifically for analgesia, pain management.
For muscle damage and muscle wasting doctors sometimes prescribe different steroids, such Nandrolone or Oxymetholone and now they are researching the possible and potential use of stem cells. But you would never see a doctor prescribe an opiate as something to "heal" an injury.

addicted.to.pain's picture

analgesia aka the inability to feel pain .

With all due respect yes they do help heal torn muscles and broken bones , The brain is everything when it comes to the human body the Brain tells the body to feel pain or to heal or to inflame etc etc etc.

It helps to heal torn muscles but that does not necessarily mean it helps to build more muscle during the healing process , Opiates are used to manage pain over long terms yes and it is used to manage the pain from major injuries as well as assist in the healing process via reducing the pain signals sent to the brain ib so facto the body is in less pain so it heals quicker.

Izzy75's picture

Thats precisely the purpose of this topic, because after so much scientific evidence that proves that it doesn't do anything for muscle recovery, there's still a belief that somehow it does so. Back during the era of the "mass monsters", people mentioned the use of Nubain constantly and there was initial research that stated some sort of benefit in muscle recovery, but newer and more comprehensive research shows that it is actually counterproductive for muscle building. I have used Nubain and you certainly feel like you have recovered better, but it's just an illusion of the mind. Your mind makes you believe you are even stronger when you use this and because you believe it, you actually act on it and develop more strength or so you think, but it is a complete lie. After a while you start seeing that you are actually losing muscle mass and hardness. Even worse you lose interest and motivation towards health and life itself and turn your attention completely towards the drug, which is a dead end.

TheFlash85's picture

If anyone wants to be a brain damaged skinny, pale sickly looking twig that slurrs their speach and has no balance, blurred vision lose family, friends and partners and basically destroy you life before you even realise........ take these drugs.

They will fuck your life, dont worry about trying to lift weights because you wont even be capable of driving and you certainly wont be eating and when you finally struggle those few mouthfuls down at night time you will feel like gagging.

Recovered pain killer addict right here.

Worst fucking stuff.

Dont even try them!!!!!

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Izzy75's picture

Completely agree. Usually people think that their lives won't be affected enough when doing this type of things, until they realize they are up to their neck in all sorts of troubles. It also happened to me. It started as a way of dealing with an injury from deadlifting heavy and it ended with me chasing the drugs 24/7. Not fun, not good, not recommended.

TheFlash85's picture

I got serotonin syndrome, im recovered now.
Was a very long and hard dangerous road.
Lucky to be alive.

People read the side effects but dont think it will happen.

It does, i was one of them.

Mine was rapid release tramadol.
I was taking 20 50mg tabs a day at one point.
10 at once then 10 at one again a few hours later.

I literally went from a solid 115kgs at 6'1 ish down to 85kgs twiggy.

Tried getting on a tren cycle etc to counteract it and made me worse looking.

I posted a pic of myself on here after.

Fucking disgusting nasty stuff.

Nothing good about them in our world.

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Izzy75's picture

I don't know if it is the same thing, but I had to use 8-10 Tramadols at a time to get some effect and sometimes I would dropped to the floor and start convulsing. All I remember was opening my eyes and seeing a bunch of people around me asking me if I was ok. At one point I thought I became epileptic because of the drug. But it stop happening once I stoped using those Tramadols. The withdrawal from that drug is horrible and painful. I have a huge scar on my forehead from dropping to the floor head first. I guess is a good reminder every time I look in the mirror to never be stupid again. Thankfully that stage in my life is long gone, I'm a grateful and healthy family man now. I was one of the few lucky ones who was able to leave that behind. Unfortunately not everybody is able to get out of that lifestyle.

maddogg's picture

What kind of teas are you talking about for a recovery protocol?

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Izzy75's picture

Let me make this clear first. When I say that you can get good recovery out of the things mention above, I'm not saying that those things have a direct effect on muscle at the cellular level. I'm talking about the resting part of recovery, meaning being relaxed and sleeping well. No tea in the world will help you rebuild muscle tissue, well... as far as I know. But sleeping well is part of the 3 basics: Exercise hard, Eat well and Sleep good. If you are not using any hard compounds, a tea based on chamomile might do the trick. Also valerian root is quite good. But if you are taking something like tren, you could actually drink a whole gallon of tea and it won't do anything. I personally use Diphenhydramine which is an antihistamine and I can get 600 pills for les that $5 at one of those super stores. It helps with my nasal allergies and also helps me sleep good.

Bill G's picture

Tea made from sassafras root will sooth and calm. Not to much it can give a woosy headache the next morning. It works by lowering your bp and heart rate. Used to buy it in the market. But fda came in and said no. Only a drug that we make can cure . Thier a bunch of morons.
We still dig it up and use it.

Bigcory802's picture

Everyone is different. I know from my personal experience and from people that do narcs all the time have issues sleeping. Every time I have taken anything like that it is pointless to try and go to sleep. I also have friends who pop percs for basically that reason to stay awake and work better. You mentioned tramadol in your post. It's not a narcotic. This is basically what docs prescribe when they dont want to prescribe narcs. I could see how some people might use them to get through pain to lift mabey but also my experience is that narcs just make me high and do little for my pain. Give me a shot of toradol anyday over a narc for actual pain.

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Izzy75's picture

You are completely right, every person is different and I'm glad you mentioned Tramadol, because many think is just an anti inflammatory drug. Tramadol is actually a mild synthetic opiod like drug. It's prescribed quite a lot at emergency rooms for that reason, because is "mild". Is one of those meds that give you an euphoric feeling and you feel like you can build a house in one day. Thats why some people use it to go to the gym, because they feel like they can do more with it, but is a shortlived experience. Soon enough the euphoric feeling subsides and addiction kicks in. It is indeed very addictive.

Bill G's picture

The pain management dr I was going to tried to put me on that tramadol. It is a mild opiate. Wanted to make me do pill counts and drug testing. I told him to fuck off. I dont need that shit gives me dyslexia I'd be in jail in a month. Cant take it. I read take 1 every 4 to 6 hours all good then the next time I look it says take 4 to 6 every one hours. Then I'm breaking in some were to get more?
Nope not good.

felony's picture

I've been down that path and it makes no difference what state or town your from the path leads to the same place. Razor wire an all.

Bill G's picture

Yup

Leroylifts's picture

I have personal experience with this, having used opiates 10 years. The last 3 of the 10 years I lifted on pain meds and now have lifted without for several years. I took a myriad of things to include hydrocodeine (lortab, lorcet, norco), oxycodeine (Percocet, OxyContin), and morphine.

In my experience, the drugs were deleterious for work capacity and nutrition partitioning. Doing sets of 8+ with heavy weight was more difficult and working out for more than 1 hour was also challenging. Also, I often had a difficult time processing food well, going days without using the bathroom like I should. I usually felt boated. About 6 months after I was off completely, all of the above reversed and I could work out more, better endurance, and much less bloating. It also felt like my muscles responded better to glucose post workout.

The meds did not impact my overall strength. In fact, I was able to get significantly stronger while on the meds and I broke through several PR’s after just taking a pill or two. I also slept better, as I was always very tired and slept 8-9 hours. The meds always seemingly helped after a heavy squat or deadlift day where my lower back was tight and my hips hurt. I once convinced myself I needed it after heavy lifts for recovery. It certainly helped with the pain but upon reflection it never speeded up recovery.

The pain meds also impacted my sex drive in a negative way. I suspect it could be a contributing factor to the low testosterone I found after 10 years of abuse. I don’t know this for sure, but I’ve read several research articles where others were found to have low T after years of opiate abuse. My wife observed this mostly, as I used and then got off for a while and then started using testosterone.

I did use suboxone as a step down drug from the opiates for about a year and all of the above is true for it except the work capacity. I was able to work more taking suboxone.

I’ve been out of the proverbial woods for many years now. Testosterone was my saving grace. When I started using test I found that everything I was trying to mask with the opiates was taking care of by the test plus all of the other great things it does. I’ve made the comment here before, but using AAS’s saved my life. My wife, my kids, my job, my liver — all
Improved after getting off of the pain meds and using testosterone.

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Izzy75's picture

Thank you for your input my friend. Years ago it happened to me too. When I first started to lift back in the 90s it was recomended to me to use either Ultram or Nubain, so I did it because the guy was a respectable person at the gym, or so I and others thought he was. I surely didn't knew those meds were narcotics, he said they were anti inflammatory drugs. The word "steroid" actually sounded way worst that Nubain, there wasn't too much knowledge about that particular drug back then. At that time you could go to small local pharmacies and get those with no prescription needed. Also at that time information wasn't as easy to access like it is now, there was no Google or such. It took me years to recover from that and learn from first hand experience that it wasn't helpful at all, although at the time I was sure it was helping, because it really felt like it was. I guess is just an illusion until you see yourself in all sorts of trouble.

Pumped_'s picture

Wow bro. People be thinking like that where your from!? Opiate addiction is so bad in the US i dont think anyone would or even admit they think narcotics are good. Lol. Shoot wait till the opiod epidemic hits your region, that will solve all that foolish thinking quick.

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press1's picture

If that's all your own wording Bud - Great article!

Izzy75's picture

Yes it is my friend, thank you.

press1's picture

How badly do you want to join our group then - Do you have a Thick skin??!

Izzy75's picture

Well I never tend to assume I know more than next guy. I believe you can always learn from everybody and anybody something. I have a personal saying and sort of modo: When you think you know, you program yourself to stop learning, because you already "know". Socrates one of the great philosophers said; I only know that I know nothing. Although he was somebody who really knew about everything. Maybe he said that, because he knew that once he claimed he already "knew", he would stop learning. But to answer your question, life itself has made my skin pretty thick. So, what you got? Lol

keithkirby90057's picture

Great post bro. Thank you for putting the time and effort into putting this information out there. I personally have known people who have lost there lives to opiates. I used to believe the bro science about recovery from them as well till I learned the hard way. The more factual info out there to educate people the better.

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Izzy75's picture

Alright man, that's the point of it, to break and confront those dangerous ideas.